Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Benny Pedersen
On ons 29 dec 2010 07:11:54 CET, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote then a new rule would be pushed out via updates, yet not disturb an existing setup. i could very well be solved with remove ALL dnsbl in default sa-update channel, and then make seperate chanel pr bl/wl the api is already tested, but

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > All very good points. I guess I'm a bit frustrated because njabl is > clearly not performing anymore, I noticed that a few years back, and > yet it's still in SA but better BL's are not. As you (and I) both > illustrated, certain things

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 12/28/2010 9:05 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: Whoa. Ted please calm down. I think you read too much into this and are seriously overreacting. I didn't propose immediately replacing NJABL with like mailspike. I was only pointing out that NJABL was performing very poorly, to such an extent t

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Noel Butler
On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 19:05 -1000, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > Whoa. Ted please calm down. I think you read too much into this and > are seriously overreacting. I didn't propose immediately replacing > NJABL with like mailspike. I was only pointing out > that NJABL was performing very poorly,

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
Whoa. Ted please calm down. I think you read too much into this and are seriously overreacting. I didn't propose immediately replacing NJABL with like mailspike. I was only pointing out that NJABL was performing very poorly, to such an extent that you're better off removing it because it is ne

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Sahil Tandon
On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 22:44:09 +, João Gouveia wrote: > Again, a bit harsh, but I see your point. We shall improve the web > site whenever possible. As everything free (and we would like to keep > it that way), it's kind of subject to time+effort constraints, and > typically we prefer to mak

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 12/28/2010 2:44 PM, João Gouveia wrote: - "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: On 12/28/2010 12:14 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: Folks here are missing the point, that NJABL is catching not much of anything, like less than 1% of spam, and with a relatively high FP ratio. I don't understand thi

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread João Gouveia
- "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > On 12/28/2010 12:14 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > > Folks here are missing the point, that NJABL is catching not much > of > > anything, like less than 1% of spam, and with a relatively high FP > > ratio. I don't understand this desire to keep such a poor > pe

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 12/28/2010 12:14 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: Folks here are missing the point, that NJABL is catching not much of anything, like less than 1% of spam, and with a relatively high FP ratio. I don't understand this desire to keep such a poor performing rule, especially when it costs a network q

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Neil Schwartzman
Yeah sorry, I was confused by the subject line which mislead me to think the point was about whether or not NJABL is still a functioning DNSBL. Silly me. -- Neil Schwartzman Senior Director, Security Strategy Email Intelligence Group Return Path Inc. +1 (303) 999-3217 AIM: returnpathcanuk http:/

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
Folks here are missing the point, that NJABL is catching not much of anything, like less than 1% of spam, and with a relatively high FP ratio. I don't understand this desire to keep such a poor performing rule, especially when it costs a network query. Warren

Re: NJABL is dead?

2010-12-28 Thread Neil Schwartzman
That would not be correct. NJABL is alive and kicking, and not all of their zones are replicated at Spamhaus. The XBL provides more than 'just' CBL + NJABL, BTW. -- Neil Schwartzman Senior Director, Security Strategy Email Intelligence Group Return Path Inc. +1 (303) 999-3217 AIM: returnpathcanuk

RE: Issue with rules in 3.3.1

2010-12-28 Thread Jonas
> > I'm just trying to figure out how big a problem this is :) > > It's not a problem for you a an end user, just warnings. Please disregard. > > > Naturally I would like to have an error and warning free lint :) > > Some of the scores for rules above should have been wrapped with > ifplugin/end

Re: Issue with rules in 3.3.1

2010-12-28 Thread Mark Martinec
> Alright thanks for clearing that up, do you think the other warnings > about missing rules is also just sloppiness? The DKIMDOMAIN_IN_DWL*, ACCESSDB and SHORTCIRCUIT are fixed now, and SUBJ_RE_NUM removed: https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=6499 trunk (and 3.3, assuming

RE: Issue with rules in 3.3.1

2010-12-28 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010, Jonas wrote: From: John Hardin [mailto:jhar...@impsec.org] On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Jonas wrote: I looks like jhardin disabled the old rules at some point early 2010, and made some newer ones with _NEW appended, but the file 50_scores.cf (downloaded from updates.spamassassin.

Re: Issue with rules in 3.3.1

2010-12-28 Thread Mark Martinec
Jonas, > config: warning: score set for non-existent rule > SANE_7429530a7398f43f1f1b795f9420714e > config: warning: score set for non-existent rule > SANE_91eb43f705d25c804374a746d7519660 > config: warning: score set for non-existent rule > SANE_04e8bf28eb445199a7f11b943c44d209 > config: warni

RE: Issue with rules in 3.3.1

2010-12-28 Thread Jonas
> -Original Message- > From: John Hardin [mailto:jhar...@impsec.org] > Sent: 27. december 2010 20:43 > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: Issue with rules in 3.3.1 > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Jonas wrote: > > > I looks like jhardin disabled the old rules at some point early 201