Hi Chuck,
but it is no place for critical business data.
Correct, I agree with you !!!
Kai
On 8/21/2018 7:23 PM, Chuck Davis wrote:
And I'm with you. I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a
Microsoft product or Apple product.
And any IT manager who puts critical business
And I'm with you. I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a Microsoft
product or Apple product.
And any IT manager who puts critical business data into a public cloud
should be fired on the spot. A private cloud, ok. But public cloud,
never! Cloud is fine for sharing pictures and document
I probably shouldn't have replied, but..
>> ... force customers to a browser interface
For Windows users, this is where you are headed -
https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365/partners/moderndesktop
In a few years when you go buy a new Windows PC, what will it have spec
wise? Probably very littl
I was inspired from reading JavaFX for NetBeans GUI that I’ve started to build
bits and pieces of a prototype for this. Finding myself unemployed again
(something that’s really getting me down), I have plenty of time to think about
this stuff and get my mind off my crumbling reality.
---
Thom
Totally Agree.
I recently started a new role and it was with great delight that I
discovered 5 different Swing WebStart applications available from the
intranet.
Having developed in Swing, MS WinForms, MS WPF, AngularJS and ReactJS, I
would say Swing on NetBeans has the best speed of development
And it's not going to become common in the consumer market if it keeps
being threatened with abandonment, discontinuance, etc. Perhaps becoming
open source will give people confidence it will be around for a while.
Unfortunately, integration with other MS desktop offerings holds a powerful
influen
Quote from Chuck Davis's email:
"...Combine a Java desktop app with a good server, EJB, JDBC and a good
datastore -- good business environment. ..."
I strongly agree, this is exactly what we are doing in our company. We have
Windows, Linux and MAC desktops One large same desktop application runs o
The Java desktop hasn't really found a place in software for small and
medium businesses -- probably because .NET is so dominant in that space.
However, that does not mean that the Java desktop has failed, since there's
a LOT more in the software world than software for small and medium
business. H
In support of what Chuck Davis said, I would like to say that more than 90%
of the software for small and medium businesses in Bulgaria is made on
Microsoft .NET and MS SQL Server Express.
For example, accounting and payroll software for micro and small businesses
is primarily on .NET, where the We
milian Bold' ; 'Chuck Davis'
Cc: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI
Totally agree.
Microsoft offers productivity products, only.. I am converting everything I use
to Google apps.
Look at EPIC (Healthcare Desktop Software) created in VB, to
Microsoft doesn't create the desktop apps. They created a rich environment
for businesses to create the apps. Can you say Intuit (their on-line
version is not a big hit from what I've heard)? Nearly all accounting
packages are built for Windows only. Nearly everything used in businesses
is buil
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Miroslav Nachev
mailto:mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Yes, it's a real pity, that so many years in Java world there is a
gap for Desktop programming. The Java world has been waiting for
JavaFX for over 20 years. Swing and AWT were a failure for
: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI
What new desktop apps did Microsoft release in the past years?
They have a monopoly on office productivity apps (Word / Excel) but what other
desktop software products are these 'small businesses' buying?
Small businesses may be the biggest employer but they a
What new desktop apps did Microsoft release in the past years?
They have a monopoly on office productivity apps (Word / Excel) but what other
desktop software products are these 'small businesses' buying?
Small businesses may be the biggest employer but they are not the biggest
software (deskto
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, it's a real pity, that so many years in Java world there is a gap for
> Desktop programming. The Java world has been waiting for JavaFX for over 20
> years. Swing and AWT were a failure for Java and Des
Yes, it's a real pity, that so many years in Java world there is a gap for
Desktop programming. The Java world has been waiting for JavaFX for over 20
years. Swing and AWT were a failure for Java and Desktop applications in
the Java world. This was one of the serious reasons, Microsoft .NET has
ove
Microsoft will continue laughing all the way to the bank as long as they
can keep the Java crowd believing their desktop monopoly is just a niche
market. In the US small businesses are the largest employer segment and we
live on a desktop. More and more of them with larger and larger screens.
Of
Yes--contributions should be encouraged and welcomed. :-)
-- Eirik
From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:18 PM
To: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI
Agree 100%, but didn’t want to be too discouraging, hence typed ‘months’ while
thinking
refer to see efforts focused on improving the existing, mature
> NetBeans UI.
>
>
>
> -- Eirik
>
>
>
> *From:* Geertjan Wielenga
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:19 AM
> *To:* us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI
>
>
>
&
e purely JavaFX from the start. Though personally, I'd much
prefer to see efforts focused on improving the existing, mature NetBeans UI.
-- Eirik
From: Geertjan Wielenga
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:19 AM
To: us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: JavaFX for NetBeans GUI
As
Thanks :)
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> When I searched for 'efx netbeans' in Google, 2 seconds later I had this:
> https://bitbucket.org/sreimers/efx
>
> Gj
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Miroslav Nachev <
> mnachev.
When I searched for 'efx netbeans' in Google, 2 seconds later I had this:
https://bitbucket.org/sreimers/efx
Gj
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Sven. I could not find a project. Is it public anywhere?
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at
Thanks Sven. I could not find a project. Is it public anywhere?
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:18 PM, Sven Reimers
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> there is a project out there called eFX...
>
> It is a simple proof of concept of reuding NetBeans core functionality
> (aka not swing dependent) and adding a JavaF
Thanks Sven, that is very interesting. I will check it out!
Josh Juneau
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 1:18 PM, Sven Reimers wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> there is a project out there called eFX...
>
> It is a simpl
Hi all,
there is a project out there called eFX...
It is a simple proof of concept of reuding NetBeans core functionality (aka
not swing dependent) and adding a JavaFX frontend..
This is focussing on WindowSystem ideas etc. and less on IDE features(aka
editor).
There is one example application
Great,
The beginning of the team was set up. We're two now.
Miro :)
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:57 PM, Josh Juneau wrote:
> Yes indeed, I agree that it will be a lot of work and it will take
> talented engineers. Makes sense to at least look at it from a high level
> first to see if certain par
Yes indeed, I agree that it will be a lot of work and it will take talented
engineers. Makes sense to at least look at it from a high level first to
see if certain parts of the UI could be re-written in JavaFX...done in
phases. I'd be willing to help out, but I cannot realistically offer a ton
of
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Geertjan Wielenga's assessment of the work and the deadline.
> I would add, that if you go in this direction
>
Wait a minute. :-) You're the one who started this thread, so if anyone is
going
I agree with Geertjan Wielenga's assessment of the work and the deadline.
I would add, that if you go in this direction it is good to think about
updating the architecture and especially on the Plugin system. It should be
made easier and more functional in keeping with new trends. For example,
the
Aside from the licensing concerns, I think we need to set some expectations
here. I.e., rewriting the NetBeans user interface from Swing to JavaFX is a
LOT of work. And it has to be done really well and be really performant and
require a group of very highly skilled JavaFX developers. I would estim
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018, 12:51 Josh Juneau, wrote:
> It would be nice to have a JavaFX GUI for NetBeans, specifically if
> something like Gluon Mobile were used
>
For that to happen *here* would require a shift in Apache policies towards
GPL w/CPE licensed dependencies as far as I know. Of course, o
It would be nice to have a JavaFX GUI for NetBeans, specifically if
something like Gluon Mobile were used so that NetBeans UI could be ported
over to iOS and Android. There are apps such as Dringend (
http://dringend.cc) on iOS that have a GUI for the mobile device that
communicates back with a de
Sure, make it happen -- and here's where you can provide the pull request:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pulls
You can work with others on this project, put together a proposal, and code
your solution.
Gj
On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Miroslav Nachev <
mnachev.nscenter...@gm
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