Hi Chuck,

.... but it is no place for critical business data. ....

Correct, I agree with you !!!


Kai


On 8/21/2018 7:23 PM, Chuck Davis wrote:
And I'm with you.  I cannot feature the day I'll waste money on a Microsoft product or Apple product.

And any IT manager who puts critical business data into a public cloud should be fired on the spot.  A private cloud, ok.  But public cloud, never!  Cloud is fine for sharing pictures and documents but it is no place for critical business data.


On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM Leo Donahue <donahu...@gmail.com <mailto:donahu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I probably shouldn't have replied, but..

    >> ... force customers to a browser interface
    For Windows users, this is where you are headed -
    https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365/partners/moderndesktop
    In a few years when you go buy a new Windows PC, what will it have
    spec wise?  Probably very little, just enough to get you to the
    cloud.
    You probably won't even be able to buy the PC device.  Instead
    you'll probably rent it for two years like your cell phone -
    paying off that last dollar will take you two years, then you'll
    be eligible for an upgrade.  You're locked into the platform and
    the device.  The spice must flow.

    I'm thankful I still have the choice of an open OS.  Thank you
    Linux, thank you GTK, thank you Java/Swing, thank you open
    source.  Thank you every other Apache project I can run on Linux.


    On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com
    <mailto:cjgun...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Microsoft will continue laughing all the way to the bank as
        long as they can keep the Java crowd believing their desktop
        monopoly is just a niche market.  In the US small businesses
        are the largest employer segment and we live on a desktop. 
        More and more of them with larger and larger screens.  Of
        course, we also use browsers for web access and cell phones to
        talk with each other.  But we get our work done with a desktop
        client/server application for the most part; and no, we don't
        want to have to try to get anything done with something as
        crude as a browser interface.  That should be more than
        apparent from the recent rash of class action lawsuits that
        have been filed against Oracle's attempt to force customers to
        a browser interface. We simply don't want it in small
        businesses.  Long live the niche!!




        On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:56 PM Eirik Bakke
        <eba...@ultorg.com <mailto:eba...@ultorg.com>> wrote:

            Both Swing and JavaFX are niche technologies, and I'd
            question the value of porting a large existing application
            from one to another.




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