Re: Something is deleting /var/run/syslogd.pid

2015-06-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:40:13 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > Some years ago, I wrote a subsystem in the BSD kernel (Not FreeBSD) > that actually did just that - every file access (even over nfs) was > audited and saved in an audit logfile, with an app that viewed or > printed that log file. > I do not know

Re: No IP 4 address setup no loopback interface

2015-06-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 00:34:15 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:50:54 +0800, > Ed Greshko wrote: > >FWIW, also have a laptop running F22 and fully updated. Currently > >at NetworkManager-1.0.2-1.fc22.x86_64 which I believe is the latest > >and I'm not having any diffic

Re: No IP 4 address setup no loopback interface

2015-06-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:44:50 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 06/21/2015 10:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 06/22/15 12:31, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >> I am still investigating this, but I have an f22 laptop that is > >> only getting an IP6 address set up on the loopback interface. I > >> noticed t

Re: dnf command to download

2015-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 07:15:20 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/06/15 07:05, jd1008 wrote: > > dnf download command works but it is not documented in the manpage. > > So, write a BZ. It's a plugin: man dnf.plugin.download kevin pgp7XNXaX9ao3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- user

Re: dnf command to download

2015-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 08:56:56 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/06/15 08:47, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 07/06/15 08:33, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> It's a plugin > > A plugin question then. > > > > I see python3-dnf-plugins-core as well as python-dnf-plugins-core

Re: with rawhide repos enabled, which version of fedora do i bugzilla against?

2015-07-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > h ... since everything on my system suggests fedora 22, i'll go > with that. i'm guessing those rawhide repo files are leftovers from > before that aren't having any effect at this point. What does: dnf repolist show? T

Re: A Fedora history question.

2015-07-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:45:57 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 07/10/2015 01:32 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:26 PM, jd1008 wrote: > >> What RH release was FC1 based on? > > Try this entry in Wikipedia: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fedora_releases#Fedora_Core_1

Re: A Fedora history question.

2015-07-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:52:31 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > Guys! No. > I mean first release according a wicki, was dubbed by RH as 0.8 > not 8.0 back in 1993??? Which wiki? I don't recall ever hearing about 0.8/0.9 versions... kevin pgp5IuK1l03hh.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users

Re: GNOME applications do not respect the chosen XFCE style

2015-07-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:36:17 +0100 Paul Smith wrote: > Dear All, > > I am running XFCE on Fedora 22. And my problem is that the GNOME > applications does not obey to the windows style I have chosen for XFCE > applications. Any idea how to solve this problem? > > Thanks in advance, Xfce is gtk2

Re: dnf command to list contents of packages?

2015-07-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:37:18 +0200 Edouard Fazenda wrote: > Hi Neal Becker, > > I'm new using dnf, but i would prefer using rpm query to list the > content of an uninstalled packages. > > Like : "rpm -qpl [url package]" but if anyone have a tips with dnf i > will be happy to know. > > > > Is

Re: GNOME applications do not respect the chosen XFCE style

2015-07-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 06:10:05 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Could you be more verbose. What exactly are people supposed to > install and which themes/settinga are known to work? Any theme that has both a gtk2 and gtk3 version should mostly work. adwaita-gtk2-theme.x86_64 albatross-gtk2-theme.no

Re: Tracer crashing on 'dnf update'

2015-07-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:08:06 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > This just started happening today when I ran 'dnf update': > > Tracer: > Program 'tracer' crashed with following error: > > /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/bs4/__init__.py:166: > UserWarning: No parser was explicitly

Re: unmaintained bugs

2015-07-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:02:11 +0200 antonio montagnani wrote: > I find really silly that when you are encharged of a bug, there is no > kind of supervisor checking if you are are working on it and any > problem arisingImagine it at Nasa, ehi guy, I have no time to > check your bug and don't b

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:05:37 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > Garry T. Williams wrote: > > >> I know there are rare cases where one has to say something > >> else, but why not make the default to add ".service" if nothing is > >> given? Or perhaps TAB could complete it? > > > > Have you actually t

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:23:52 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:12:30 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Additionally, since about f17, '.service' is assumed... > > > > ie, > > > > systemctl status foobar > > > &

Re: Network availability systemd dependency failure at boot

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:30:06 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > R. G. Newbury writes: > > >> > >> That at least works up to the day systemd decides > >> no one needs rc.local and they drop support for > >> it (a day that is sure to come :-). > > > > Direct support for rc.local has already been "depr

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I find systemd a great deal easier to deal with than sysvint/upstart. I made a systemd unit file the other day for a local service and it took me about 30 seconds. A sysvinit file would have taken copying a bunch of biolerplate and would have taken a good deal longer. Does systemd have bugs or

Re: Network availability systemd dependency failure at boot

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:17:53 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:30:06 -0400 > > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > > > R. G. Newbury writes: > > > > > > >> > > > >> That at least wor

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 18:10:45 -0700 David Benfell wrote: ...snip... > Then, and only then, did I discover there was even a > network-online.target. Please understand, the time when things are > broken is not the time when I > want to explore rat holes. As it turned out, this *wasn't* a rat > ho

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 18:40:42 -0700 David Benfell wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: ...snip... > > No. We need it for all the other reasons. > > > > Lennarts blog host seems to be having some problem, but from google > > cache: > > > > http://webcache.googleuser

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:10:40 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:56:09 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to query. > > With journald all output is saved in a binary format file that (which is fully documented

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 06:27:17 +0100 Balint Szigeti wrote: > > but is it impossible to configure systemd to save logfile into text > files instead of journal file? > or we should have syslog service (i.e. rsyslog) for this yes, you can run rsyslog and gateway all the messages to it. kevin sign

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:52:24 +0200 lee wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > output. With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to > > query. > > How do you query this output? I just look at the logfile, and when > it's not there, I never see it.

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:48:04 +0200 lee wrote: > David Benfell writes: > > > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > pulseaudio, which I leave alone right up to the moment I have > > problems--any problems--with sound, and then eliminate as a usually > > successful first stab at

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 18:18:46 +0200 lee wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:52:24 +0200 > > lee wrote: > > > >> Kevin Fenzi writes: > >> > >> > output. With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to > >

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:25:42 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2014, lee wrote: > > > Joe Zeff writes: > > > >> On 07/06/2014 12:43 AM, lee wrote: > >>> Not even the configuration files are where they belong. > >> > >> Actually, they're exactly where they belong. They just are

Re: Camera mounting

2014-07-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:48:46 +0300 jarmo wrote: > Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:55:46 -0700 > Joe Zeff kirjoitti: > > > > I'm using F 19 with Xfce. If I insert a flash drive, it's mounted > > without asking for a password because that's what I told Xfce how I > > wanted this handled. The same thing g

Re: startxfce4 harmonization with the systemd-logind

2014-07-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:21:55 +0200 poma wrote: > > "startxfce4 harmonization with the systemd-logind" > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1117682 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=916668 > > As explained here, > "gphoto2 only as root -" > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:05:03 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Everyone! Please read > > > > I am not kidding. > > This morning, there are a dozen new messages all recycling around > points that have already been made hundred

Re: F21 Cant login

2014-07-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:07:36 -0500 "Mike Chambers" wrote: > Just installed F21 via NFS, using KDE as my workstation. It booted > up to the login screen, but it won't login. Have tried both GUI and > terminal and neither will login, whether regular user or root. Since f21 is a prerelease you ma

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here. Or... file a bug if you think you have found one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&version=20&compo

Re: How to make usb stick for F20 Xfce live ??

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:37:28 -0400 sean darcy wrote: > I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've > shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free. > > I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched. > > I've got a 2gig usb stick. I followe

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:05:59 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list: > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel > > for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here. >

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:43:34 + (UTC) Bill Oliver wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Edward M wrote: > > > > > On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list: > >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/sys

Re: fix a broken gnome desktop ? [solved]

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:21:06 +0930 Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent: ...snip... > > Rhetorical question of the day: "Why are gnome3's hidden > > directories named .gnome2 ? I don't think it does. gnome3 (along with most other applications and DE's have moved t

Re: How to make usb stick for F20 Xfce live ??

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:52:30 -0400 sean darcy wrote: > Thanks for the response. > > Not sure how else to verify the download. I ran sha256sum, and it > matched > https://fedoraproject.org/en/static/checksums/Fedora-Live-x86_64-20-CHECKSUM. > > If I use dd, will that boot under uefi? I thought

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 12 Jul 2014 21:52:22 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it > > to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it > > fixed or worked around than complaining abou

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 12 Jul 2014 22:24:13 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > > I'm not following your logic here. > > > > Given 2 ways of reacting to a bug: > > A) complain about it on a users mailing list that few developers > > follow. > > B) report a bug on it that developers will see and be able to > > res

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 12 Jul 2014 22:59:31 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > Sam Varshavchik writes: > > > I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be > > dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this > > latest fallout. So, why would I want to report systemd bugs, and > >

Re: delayed messages

2014-07-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:55:51 +0200 lee wrote: > Hi, > > how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages? If you are referring to the ones in the 'why do we use systemd?' thread then I suspect it's forever, as that thread was closed. > It seems that the code of conduct the moderators a

Re: fix a broken gnome desktop ? [solved]

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:00:44 -0700 Mike Wright wrote: > Thanks for the tip Kevin. I deleted the .gnome directories before I > logged back into Gnome3, but I've also logged into Xfce4. So I just > deleted them again and logged into Gnome3. They are not there. > Everything is pointing at Xfce

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:37:40 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > poma writes: > > > Besides why would anyone spend valuable time on outdated network > > scripts on top of something called > > http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/systemd-networkd.8.html > > yum is unable to find this package. As such

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:01:35 -0400 David Boles wrote: > It appears that the entire Linux world hates your guts so perhaps you > might consider buying a Mac and using Mac OS X? > > At the very least might I suggest the you STFU? Since you appear to > not be smart enough to deal with this. > > Ge

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:38:33 -0400 David Boles wrote: > So then tell me where the heck have you have been for the past several > weeks? All the time this user has been whining and crying over this 3 > or so year old change that he can not comprehend.? I was not a moderator for this list until th

Re: Reg: "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again." (forcing you to close the session, just to reappear on restart)"Oh no! Som

2014-07-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:57:26 +0530 Prashanth Kasula wrote: > "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occured and the > system can't recover. Please log out and try again." (forcing you to > close the session, just to reappear on restart) This is the generic message gnome shell gives wh

Re: Have you registered for Flock?

2014-07-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 00:03:41 -0400 Doug wrote: > > On 07/18/2014 12:06 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:05:35AM +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Paul W. Frields > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I don't know, and don't want to know what Floc

Re: eth0 again

2014-07-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:54:41 + (UTC) "Amadeus W.M." wrote: > I have to install Matlab on a Fedora 20 machine and I need to rename > the network device to eth0, or else Matlab won't install. This is a > known issue: > > http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/100235-why-can-t-i-activat

Re: eth0 again

2014-07-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:13:23 + (UTC) "Amadeus W.M." wrote: > > I tried that (biosdevname=0) first, before I saw the new ways. No go. Well, it's possible, and even likely that you have both. ;) ie, you are disabling the systemd one, but the biosdevname one kicks in then. In any case, if yo

Re: python error in updated yum FC20

2014-07-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:14:28 -0400 Barry wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Barry wrote: > > I installed Fedora 20 yesterday, and after the installation was > > done, I installed a few packages successfully and then updated all > > the packages, and then shut down > > > > Today when I

Re: Unresponsive upstream (bcache)

2014-07-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 13:37:40 -0500 Ian Pilcher wrote: > I recently moved my Fedora 20 root filesystem to a bcache device, and > I discovered a bug (limitation?) that sometimes prevents my system > from booting properly. > > I originally reported this problem to the bcache-devel mailing list on >

Re: abrt questions??

2014-07-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:11:56 -0400 bruce wrote: > Hi. > > Doing some tests on fed/centos boxes.. > Running a test app, that in turn kicks off a bunch of python apps.. > The test is long running. for hours! > > However, somewhere along the way, the py apps die/crash. In looking > over the /var/l

Re: abrt questions??

2014-07-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:01:08 -0400 bruce wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > The py app is a test that we created.. I was hopeful that abrt might > have stored something like, appX crashed at line Y!! Just edit: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf and set: ProcessUnpackaged = no to yes, resta

Re: Radio silence?

2014-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:07:16 +0930 Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2014-08-13 at 19:23 -0700, Pete Stieber wrote: > > I'm on the package announcement list and haven't received any > > announcements since August 9. > > Likewise. > > > That many days without package announcements is odd. > > Does it mean

Re: A tool for Ext? partitions.

2014-08-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:55:12 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > Need a tool that can scan an entire drive (which has no partition > table > - as it got accidentally clobbered by dd'ing 512 bytes into it), and > determine start and end of ext(2/3/4) partitions. > I need this so that I can restore each ext? p

Re: Fedora still doesn't sign its repo data?

2014-08-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:20:26 + Joonas Lehtonen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > over five years ago vulnerabilities in Fedora's (and others) package > managers [1] have been presented at USENIX. > > And even though yum supports repo_gpgcheck since 2008

Re: Fedora still doesn't sign its repo data?

2014-08-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 23:55:55 + Joonas Lehtonen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > It's logistically difficult to sign the repodata... but of course > > it could be done. > > > > Many, if not all of the things they mention (I can't seem to find a > > link to the

Re: Fedora still doesn't sign its repo data?

2014-08-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:05:12 + Joonas Lehtonen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > >>> It's logistically difficult to sign the repodata... but of > >>> course it could be done. > > Has someone tried to get this done/accepted before? Not sure what you mean fully

Re: F20 is fubar

2014-08-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:15:16 + davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: > Just stating an opinion Sure. Did you want any assistance working around or fixing the issues you ran into? Or did you just want to put your opinion out there? I'm happy to go and ask for more info from your orig

Re: Blueman on F20?

2014-08-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:15:07 -0700 Konstantin Svist wrote: > I'm running F20 XFCE and the bluetooth app leaves a lot to be desired. > I've been using Blueman before upgrading and it was great. Currently > I'm using the KDE systray app (bluedevil?) > > There's no obvious way to install blueman; y

Re: systemd never starts ntpd.service even though it is enabled

2014-08-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Also, for those that don't want to dig through the thread mentioned you can just read the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1119787 kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: h

Re: Fedora 20 , Problems , Problems and Problems.

2014-08-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:19:57 +0200 "Ger van Dijck" wrote: > Hello , > > First excuses for the "test" I abusively did sent . > > I have a new machine : Dell Inspiron 3721 , disk 1 TB, VGA > compatible controller 3rd generation Rev.09 Intelcorp and Radeon HD > 8730 M , Mem size 8 Gb. First as a

Re: Fedora 20 , Problems , Problems and Problems.

2014-08-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:35:13 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:12:57 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > When rebooting I get the message : [429.0649464] watchdog > > > watchdog0: watchdog did not stop ! > > > > Odd. Watchdog shouldn

Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 00:48:06 -0700 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Up to Fedora 21, releases have occurred at roughly 6 month intervals. > Fedora 21 is scheduled to be released about 11 months after Fedora 20. > Is the intention to schedule future releases at roughly 12 month > intervals, or is the lon

Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:41 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release > schedule, the number of bugs has been higher. > I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all > the bugs > of a new release every 6 months. > Simply put, n

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:33:47 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled > > against systemd. The correct way to do this ... > > With all due respect, this isn't a matter of fil

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:06:59 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but > > it's a good deal better than what we had before. > > Do you

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:56:34 +0200 poma wrote: > On 12.09.2014 10:06, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600 > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > >> Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but > >> it'

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:07:35 + (UTC) Bill Oliver wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > ... > > > > Then let me turn this story around: Where would systemd be if > > Poettering wasn't RH-employed and if RH wasn't backing him? > > Nowhere. It would be an anecdotal footnote

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
t was composed by the entire debian tech comittee, even those that voted against systemd, but ok. > I wan't to know where that documentation Kevin Fenzi likes to trot > about actually is to be found. Where did I 'trot about' documentation? I'd start with: http://0p

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:00:01 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > Funny how two different career paths can bring us to two radically > different stances. May I ask what field you work in? My own > background is upper level machine controls where we generally end up > requiring as stupid a box as p

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:52:51 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: ...snip... > > I find the nice to haves usefull all the time. Sorry you don't. > > That's it? I'm sorry you turned out to be such an arrogant prick in a > single sentence. What's the point of people even trying to ppoint out > why

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:17:37 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:12:28 -0600 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > The amount of memory and i/o is trivial, IMHO. > > Then why does the memory usage needle that was pegged near > zero in gkrellm (back in the init day

Re: Heads up: possible BASH security vulnerability

2014-09-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:33:15 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > On 09/24/2014 05:27 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > > mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Can we assume a patched version of Bash will be released > > shortly? > > > > > >

Re: Fedup 19 to 20 problems

2014-09-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:03:18 -0400 Frank McCormick wrote: > >Ran Fedup today to upgrade my 19 system to 20 - all the packages > are downloaded, the fedup kernel is installed...and I have 2 new > selections of the grub screen fedup and fedup rescue. However neither > will complete the boot so

Re: Fedup 17 to 18 worked, now fedup to 19 fails

2014-09-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:35:49 +0100 Gary Stainburn wrote: > Hi folks. > > I'm currently doing this on a local box before moving onto doing it > on a remote virtual server set. I fedup'd from 17 to 18 with only > the one problem where I had to manuall run 'yum clean all' to get > things finished.

Re: XFCE on F21 desktop

2014-11-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:33:29 +0100 Heinz Diehl wrote: > Hi, > > up to F20, I used the respective 4 GB full DVD image to install > Fedora, which also contained the XFCE desktop. Now, with F21, there's > a desktop and a server edition, and it seems the full DVD is missing. Right. There is no mish

Re: XFCE on F21 desktop

2014-11-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 19:47:08 +0100 poma wrote: > On 23.11.2014 18:48, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:33:29 +0100 > > Heinz Diehl wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> up to F20, I used the respective 4 GB full DVD image to install > &g

Re: core_pattern

2014-12-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:31:50 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > I see the systemd fungus has grown over the > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern file now. This is to allow core dumps to get handled by systemd and info to go to the journal. Abrt also overrides it to handle crashes (and has for a long time) >

Re: core_pattern

2014-12-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:39:57 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:24:32 -0500 > Tom Horsley wrote: > > > > ln -sf /usr/lib/sysctl.d/50-coredump.conf /dev/null > > > > Thanks! > > Though come to think of it, shouldn't /dev/null be the 1st arg? :-). Indeed it should. ;) Sorry

Re: F21 server and vesa

2014-12-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 20:49:35 +0200 Kevin Wilson wrote: > Hello, > > I installed F21 server, x86_64. > > Now, as expected from a server, it does not contain kde or gnome. > > I know that server usually does not need to run XWindows applications. > However, I need from time to time to use xwindo

Re: F21 src rpm iso on Fedora mirrors - missing ?

2014-12-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:49:50 +0200 Kevin Wilson wrote: > Hello, Fedora users, > > I looked in the fedora mirror sites for DVD of F21 src rpms, and > could not find. For F20 there were DVD of F21 src rpms on fedora > mirrors. Correct. In Fedora 20 there was a 'generic' dvd that had a misc collec

Re: Solved - Re: F21 Xfce on Asus ee900 not seeing wireless adapter

2014-12-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:54:48 -0500 "Garry T. Williams" wrote: > Aw, it's not that hard. You just want to pick out any line with one > of several words in it. Good old grep(1) will do it no problem. I > suppressed stderr from the iwlist(8) command so the error message > about interface lo doesn

Re: Solved - Re: F21 Xfce on Asus ee900 not seeing wireless adapter

2014-12-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 12:30:33 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 12/25/2014 12:06 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: ...snip... > > > > % nmcli device wifi list > > SSID MODE CHAN RATE SIGNAL > > BARS SECURITY xfinitywifi

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:26:44 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 09/28/2011 03:42 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > > > yum groupinstall "XFCE" > > set your desktop at gdm > > - EFAIL screensaver --verbose? Hopefully you aren't trying to use gnome-screensaver. xscreensaver should work fine. > - EFAIL set d

Re: unwanted logout in xfce

2011-10-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:04:06 -0600 Stuart McGraw wrote: > I am a refugee from Fedora 15's Gnome-3 that has found > refuge in Xfce. I'm am only sad that Gnome-3 didn't come > out sooner so I could find Xfce sooner -- it meets my needs > and expectations very well. > > However, I am having one

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 16 Beta!!

2011-10-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 08:15:18 -0700 JD wrote: > Where are the ISO's for F16 Beta? The same place(es) that any pre-release Fedora are: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease (That has torrent and direct link options). kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list us

Re: yum .rpm

2011-10-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 15:50:25 -0430 Robert Marcano wrote: > On 10/07/2011 03:23 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Joao Daniel > > wrote: > >> Folks, > >> > >> It is possible to install a package.rpm using yum AND solve AND > >> install dependencies ? > >> Or Is possible

Re: XFCE does not mount an audio CD

2011-10-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:10:37 -0500 Aaron Konstam wrote: > When I am in XFCE audio CDs do not mount and play. On the same machine > the audio CDs play in Gnome 3. > > What could be wrong in XFCE and how can it be fixed? > > All this is in F15. Audio cd's don't usually mount at all. You should b

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

2011-10-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:45:52 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: ...snip... >Keep in mind that I am speaking from the users standpoint, > where I am seeing a lot of changes that: > a) Seriously annoy and inconvenience the user. > b) Seem to have little logical justification or utility. > >

Re: Yum ate my ICONS

2011-10-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:58:44 -0700 John Wendel wrote: > I just used 'yum remove' to remove Gnome3 from my box, since I'm > using xfce. Seemed to work OK. But now "thundar" doesn't have any > icons in its file display. What do I need to install to get the > icons back? That would be "Thunar". ;

Re: SL6 to F16??

2011-10-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:49:54 + (UTC) Beartooth wrote: > > I've been playing with Scientific Linux on an oldish machine, > and now I want to try F16 with xfce -- *not* live, but installed, > with the .iso on a DVD. I realize that requires me to install the > gnome version and then add x

Re: fedora repo error with yum

2011-11-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:41:40 -0700 Peter Gueckel wrote: > For 36 hours I have been getting this error and am unable to update: > > Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for > repository: fedora. Please verify its path and try again > > I have run yum clean all countless times,

Re: fedora repo error with yum

2011-11-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:27:39 -0700 Peter Gueckel wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > Hard to say without more info. ;) > > I edited the fedora.repo, fedora-updates.repo and > fedora-updates-testing.repo files by uncommenting the baseurl line > and commenting out

Re: fedora repo error with yum

2011-11-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:18:24 -0700 Peter Gueckel wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > What does: > > > > rpm -q ca-certificates > ca-certificates-2011.78-1.fc16.noarch > > > rpm -V ca-certificates > {no output} > > > What fedora version is this

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:10:36 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 > Fedora User wrote: > > > The system does seem to > > boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed > > very straightforward. > > Arcane is the word. One big problem is the complete

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > systemctl list-unit-files > > > > give you any of what you are looking for? > > That tells me what units are available, not > what uni

Re: yum update killed ssh

2011-11-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:40:11 -0800 John Wendel wrote: > Just a heads up. > > I'm pretty sloppy about keeping track of updates, so I don't have the > details at hand, but the latest update of glibc from updates-testing > killed ssh and scp. I guess it happened this morning. Symptom was > libc

Re: System locked up during update of kernel, yum in unclean state and kernel half-installed

2011-11-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
If you've not done any more yum commands that change things (installs/upgrades/removals), do: yum history redo last kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: System locked up during update of kernel, yum in unclean state and kernel half-installed

2011-11-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:45:14 -0500 Deron Meranda wrote: ...snip... > How can I clean all this up? I tried just re-running the yum update > on the specific packages, but it complains, such as: > >Error: Protected multilib versions: at-3.1.13-5.fc16.x86_64 != > at-3.1.13-3.fc16.x86_64 > >

Re: System locked up during update of kernel, yum in unclean state and kernel half-installed

2011-11-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:36:47 -0500 Deron Meranda wrote: > > I'll suggest again: > > > > yum history redo last > > > > (or you may need to find out which tansaction it was with 'yum > > history list' and then use that number instead of 'last') > > > Thanks. I read right over that the first time.

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