On 24 March 2014 18:16, Ian Malone wrote:
>
> On 24 March 2014 08:14, Ahmad Samir wrote:
> > On 23 March 2014 23:37, Bill Oliver wrote:
> >>
> >>
>
> >> Firefox will only allow one invocation of itself on my machine.
> >> Sometimes, if I invoke the program by clicking an icon, it will come up
>
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
...
>
> There is no need for separating out admin binaries, user binaries,
> local binaries, graphical binaries etc. any more, and hasn't been for
> about 2 decades.
What about DRBL (Diskless Remote Boot Linux) and LTSP (Linux Terminal
Server Pr
Bill Oliver writes:
>>> Much of what we consider very important today was considered stupid
>>> when it first came out.
>>
>> Like?
>>
>
> Well, the automobile, aircraft, and personal computer immediately come
> to mind.
Those are good examples. Yet nobody would take away your horse and cart
ju
Chris Murphy writes:
> On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:45 AM, lee wrote:
>>
>> /usr belongs on it`s own partition.
>
> As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one
> thinking person to change their mind.
Thinking persons do not need to change their minds about it because t
Chris Murphy writes:
>> Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a
>> very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor
>> encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions
>> outside the installer. There was no way to do it wit
"Powell, Michael" writes:
>> It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is
>> somehow
>> possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves
>> you
>> in the dark about what exactly happens when you do the partitioning and
>> with trying to fi
Michael Cronenworth writes:
> Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> Nowadays you may have SSDs which supposedly last longer when not written
>>> >much to but mostly read from, so you might put the partitions that can
>>> >be read-only on the SSDs and use magnetic disks for things like /var,
>>> >/tmp, /home an
Liam Proven writes:
>> Having been able to have /usr on a separate partition was a valuable
>> feature, which now has gone lost. IMNSHO, ruined by naive, inexperienced
>> kids (to use the same tone as you did), who were overwhelmed by the
>> additional complexity supporting this feature had requi
Liam Proven writes:
> On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee wrote:
>> /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would
>> not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and
>> /sbin but to use symlinks instead.
>
>
> I think that's a very 1980s, or early-1990s, way o
Chris Murphy writes:
> On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:56 PM, lee wrote:
>>
>> There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its
>> own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t
>> have.
>
> Old news.
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove#I_have
Liam Proven writes:
> On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee wrote:
>> There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its
>> own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t
>> have.
>
> As I have commented elsewhere, I think this is a 1980s style of
> thinking. Th
Allegedly, on or about 24 March 2014, Peter Arremann sent:
> You realize this is a Fedora mailing list, not the real world? :)
Oh the irony...
To spell that out: The number of people using computers, never mind
just the ones on this list, that aren't part of the real world.
--
[tim@localhost
On 03/25/14 13:30, Ahmad Samir wrote:
<<>>
Usually I'd try with a new profile first, if the problem doesn't
happen there, then I try to track down why it's happening in the
original profile. (i.e. I wasn't implying he just ditches his old
profile :)).
thinking about that, a new profile is ju
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote:
> >> /usr belongs on it`s own partition.
> > As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one
> > thinking person to change their mind.
> Thinking persons do not need to change their minds about it because they
> realis
Tim writes:
> I reckon it's the case for most OSs that /most/ users don't really care
> much about what they're using, nor how it works. The large number of
> clueless people using computers would seem to be evidence of that.
The number of clueless people is also large without computers.
Comput
Stephen Gallagher writes:
> On 03/24/2014 09:22 AM, lee wrote:
>> The ones making packages probably have more influence. Is it
>> supposed to be like that?
>>
>
>
> Frankly, yes. Feedback on a list is fine, but anyone can say "Hey, I
> wish it was more like this:", but ultimately it will be up
Matthew Miller writes:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote:
>> >> /usr belongs on it`s own partition.
>> > As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one
>> > thinking person to change their mind.
>> Thinking persons do not need to change their minds
Colleagues,
Can you verify / clarify for me?
From reading changelogs it appears that tracking the shadowLastChange timestamp
was not introduced until 1.2.11 - is that accurate?
Is writing the timestamp something core server does automatically when the
password is changed or is the client progr
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
> On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote:
> >>> "your insinuendos do little to help op."
> >>
> >> Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation?
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 13:09 +0100, lee wrote:
> > That means you can have separate mount options, filesystems,
> partition
> > constraints, or whatever. It just doesn't work anymore to have it on
> a
> > network share or (if anyone ever did this!) removable media added
> > after initial boot.
>
>
On 03/25/14 20:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
>> On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote:
> "your insinuendos do little to help op."
Is that a p
On 25 March 2014 13:08, g wrote:
>
>
> On 03/25/14 13:30, Ahmad Samir wrote:
> <<>>
>
>> Usually I'd try with a new profile first, if the problem doesn't
>> happen there, then I try to track down why it's happening in the
>> original profile. (i.e. I wasn't implying he just ditches his old
>> prof
On 22 March 2014 20:05, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> Ten years of failure installing Fedora. You should make your own t-shirt.
Yeah, go me.
Actually, no, I don't consider that my job is to do the developers'
work for them. My job, the one I was being paid for, was to advise
people interested in tryin
On 03/25/14 18:47, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/25/14 20:39, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 16:43 +1300, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote:
On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote:
"your insinuendos do little to hel
On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
> These aren't old-fashioned, these are technically out-dated. Makes a huge
> difference!
I am not sure it does. I would tend to consider them as 2 sides of the
same coin.
> The fact you haven't encountered it doesn't mean there are no use cases.
Hi,
i'm trying to figure out what is the best approach for files and folders
permissions in case of a shared webserver.
we are 2-3 developers and we have a server on which we installed Fedora
20 as web server for our development testing purpose.
all websites should be stored in /var/www/htm
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 01:09:12PM +0100, lee wrote:
> > It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just
> > really needs to be available at boot time.
> The F17 installer wouldn`t let me have it.
Yeah, but F20 installer does. What was the complaint again? :)
>
> > That
On 03/25/2014 02:08 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
These aren't old-fashioned, these are technically out-dated. Makes a huge
difference!
I am not sure it does. I would tend to consider them as 2 sides of the
same coin.
Have a look at "fashion" vs. "pro
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 02:35:57PM +0100, Rafnews wrote:
> i'm trying to figure out what is the best approach for files and
> folders permissions in case of a shared webserver.
> we are 2-3 developers and we have a server on which we installed
> Fedora 20 as web server for our development testing p
for me ACL includes the user permissions ?
On 25.03.2014 15:25, Pittigher, Raymond - Exelis wrote:
Or you can try using FACL
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Or you can try using FACL
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On 03/25/14 18:52, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 25 March 2014 13:08, g wrote:
<<<>>>
thinking about that, a new profile is just about as easy a check
to make as disabling add-ons.
It could be a pref in the profile not just an extension causing the
problem. Or maybe a corrupt *.sqlite database. Or
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 07:13 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:19:52PM +0100, lee wrote:
> > >> /usr belongs on it`s own partition.
> > > As if no one has ever said that before, and as if it convinced even one
> > > thinking person to change their mind.
> > Thinking perso
if your main concern is FTP access to the web, then i would recommend an
FTP server, which allows virtual user-ids, such as pure-ftpd. Then,
you could open a new virtual user-id for each project, each web, and
communicate it to all participants of the project or web.
suomi
On 2014-03-25 14:35,
On 25 March 2014 18:00, g wrote:
>
>
> On 03/25/14 18:52, Ahmad Samir wrote:
> On 25 March 2014 13:08, g wrote:
> <<<>>>
>
>>> thinking about that, a new profile is just about as easy a check
>>> to make as disabling add-ons.
>>
>>
>> It could be a pref in the profile not just an extension causi
On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:41 AM, lee wrote:
> Chris Murphy writes:
>
>>> Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a
>>> very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor
>>> encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions
>>> ou
> I`m not an expert with Fedoras installers in any way. This is simply my "user
> experience". Maybe the "user experience" the installer provides should be
> different.
Your user experience is important, but just because you think it should be one
way doesn't mean the community or developers ec
On 03/25/2014 12:10 PM, Powell, Michael wrote:
I disagree; if a user is presented with the following filesystem choices,
btrfs, ext2, ext3, ext4, JFS, reiser4, reiserFS, and ZFS, and each is presented
equally with a single paragraph describing its benefits, unless the user has
prior knowledge
My concern is not FTP only but also directory access and creation
On 25.03.2014 18:16, fedora wrote:
if your main concern is FTP access to the web, then i would recommend
an FTP server, which allows virtual user-ids, such as pure-ftpd. Then,
you could open a new virtual user-id for each project,
On 03/25/14 23:17, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 25 March 2014 18:00, g wrote:
<<>>
maybe in your experiences, but mine has been just to rename
>> users's ".mozilla" directory and when firefox was called,
>> firefox created a new ".mozilla" directory.
A Firefox profile directory is ~/.mozilla/
Hi, now that it seems that a .deb is given for GB, has anyone tested
to create a .rpm ?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/goldbug/files/goldbug-im_DEBIAN/0.9.0.2/
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On 03/25/2014 12:27 PM, g wrote:
in case you are not aware, "dead wood" means portions of a post
that are not related or reference to what one is replying to.
I'd like to add to that the fact that other poster's signatures,
including anything added by the list software, is always deadwood and
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On 03/26/14 01:43, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/25/2014 12:27 PM, g wrote:
in case you are not aware, "dead wood" means portions of a post
that are not related or reference to what one is replying to.
I'd like to add to that the fact that other poster's signatures,
including anything added by the l
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:50:10AM -0700, Howard Howell wrote:
> > It's important to realize that you *can* have a separate /usr -- it just
> > really needs to be available at boot time. That means you can have
> > separate mount options, filesystems, partition constraints, or whatever.
> > It just
I've seen this, or something similar in the bug track, but I am not
seeing a workaround.
I have a VM running FC20 (on an ESXi 5.5 host). I am using the KDE
environment. It was running great until a couple of days ago All of a
sudden, out of the blue, it rebooted and now comes up and tries to st
On Wed, 2014-03-26 at 02:36 +0600, g wrote:
> and so, be prepared to hear from some gmail and cell phone
> users who will deny that such can easily be done, as well
> as replying interspersed, therefore they do not. :-)
IN Gmail it's trivially easy. Hint: select the relevant part before
hitting Re
On 25/03/14 22:29, lee wrote:
Tim writes:
I reckon it's the case for most OSs that /most/ users don't really care
much about what they're using, nor how it works. The large number of
clueless people using computers would seem to be evidence of that.
The number of clueless people is also larg
Hello, Everyone
The subject line says it all... Anybody try to get this device set
up, then hear about the defective antenna that was apparently shipped
with this device for a while, get the new (correct) antenna shipped to
them and then had any success getting this device working with Fedora
20?
On 03/25/2014 07:09 PM, Roger wrote:
> And on it goes!
> Fedora and Linux in general is what it is. We are fantastically lucky
> that developers and testers donate vast knowledge, time and resources.
> We have choice, so many variations.
>
> If I were a developer thinking about improvement, speed,
On 2014-03-23 13:49, Powell, Michael wrote:
Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark
about what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking
away choices limits the use of the software to the point where it
eventually becomes unusable.
Good design, clarity, g
On 2014-03-25 02:22, lee wrote:
"Powell, Michael" writes:
It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is somehow
possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves you
in the dark about what exactly happens when you do the partitioning and
wi
On 2014-03-25 13:26, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/25/2014 12:10 PM, Powell, Michael wrote:
I disagree; if a user is presented with the following filesystem
choices, btrfs, ext2, ext3, ext4, JFS, reiser4, reiserFS, and ZFS, and
each is presented equally with a single paragraph describing its
benefits, u
On 2014-03-24 08:25, Liam Proven wrote:
On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee wrote:
Installing on a laptop requires encrypted partitions. They can be
stolen too easily.
I have never ever used this and never expect or plan to. I suggest
that your blanket statement is too sweeping.
http://xkcd.com/5
On 2014-03-22 10:38, lee wrote:
Matthew Miller writes:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 04:19:05PM +0100, lee wrote:
And on top of that, what is the Fedora-way of replacing gnome --- which
I find totally useless --- with fvwm, which perfectly does what I want?
It sounds like you want to do a minim
On 2014-03-23 10:19, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:35:20 +0100
lee wrote:
One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view,
is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need.
+1
The distro that actually seems to care (at the moment) about
users is Linux Mint (thoug
On 2014-03-25 05:29, lee wrote:
Tim writes:
I reckon it's the case for most OSs that /most/ users don't really care
much about what they're using, nor how it works. The large number of
clueless people using computers would seem to be evidence of that.
The number of clueless people is also l
On 03/26/2014 06:45 AM, Robin Laing wrote:
On 2014-03-24 08:25, Liam Proven wrote:
On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee wrote:
Nowadays you may have SSDs which supposedly last longer when not
written much to but mostly read from, so you might put the
partitions that can be read-only on the SSDs and u
On 25 March 2014 21:27, g wrote:
>
>
> On 03/25/14 23:17, Ahmad Samir wrote:
>>
>> On 25 March 2014 18:00, g wrote:
>
> <<>>
>
>>> maybe in your experiences, but mine has been just to rename
>
>>> users's ".mozilla" directory and when firefox was called,
>>> firefox created a new ".mozilla" direc
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