Re: yum question

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM, bruce wrote: > IE, I've got a drive from a separate/older system that I'd like to > mount/examine to see what packages where installed with yum on that > drive... > > the "installroot" switch appears to be used to chroot into a separate > location for the yum.repos

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:50:51 +0100 "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > If it ends up in the journal, how will the user be informed that the > content is in the journal and should (perhaps) be acted upon? > > Lars I hope there is in the cards, something similar to sealert (gui) for journal that would

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 02:07:13 +0100 Suvayu Ali wrote: > This is very interesting, I would love to use that. But I don't > think I understand how. What do I put in the crontab, how do I send > this SIGUSR2 signal to journald? > An easier method: /etc/systemd/journald.conf MaxFileSec=1week # what

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On 01/02/2014 12:54 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >> >> A question, I found the following on >> >> >> "dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel >> >> In Yum, the running kernel is spared. There is no reason to keep this in >> DNF, the user can

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:22:41 +0200 Adrian Sevcenco wrote: > (Murphy says that it will :) ) > > Thanks! > Adrian I said nothing of the kind! ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

Re: f20 - gedit

On 01/03/2014 06:17 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: ... As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't have t

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On 01/03/2014 12:29 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:22:41 +0200 > Adrian Sevcenco wrote: > >> (Murphy says that it will :) ) >> >> Thanks! >> Adrian > > I said nothing of the kind! :)) Sorry, i was talking about this [1] But, wouldn't you agree with the statement? (that if somet

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/02/2014 03:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> >> That would imply that someone actually took the decision to *remove* the >> protections against leaving the system with no installed kernel. Was >> this discussed? What were the proposers

Re: NetworkManager

Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The confusion arises from using NM to refer to anything other than the > daemon. NetworkManager is the name of only the daemon. It has frontends > in various desktop environments that have their own names. If you have > problems with them, refer to them by the appropria

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote: I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your cronjob output in the journal, *your* cron is broken. Default installation: [root@tux ~]# rpm -V cronie [root@tux ~]# rpm -q cronie cronie-1.4.11-4.fc20.x86_64 [root@tux ~]# rpm -V c

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_announcement#No_Default_Sendmail.2C_Syslog Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to take care of these mails, or else they are totally lost. Or at least let those applic

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 12:56 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: If you like the MTA method of being notified, install an MTA. Simple. You have been told this numerous times so don't say you haven't gotten any responses. My question was how those, that do not have a MTA installed, is supposed to be notified. Coul

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_announcement# >> No_Default_Sendmail.2C_Syslog >> > > Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA > to take c

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 12:48 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: I meant how big files, i.e. content, can you send to the journal, not the size of journal itself. It accepts a stream with a configurable rate limiter. No size limit? How does it show up in the kernel? Say that I have the following data, how is it

Re: NetworkManager

HI On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I don't know how one can tell what application > provides a particular icon or window? > Usually by looking at the help menu/ about option or equivalent. > Also, I'm not sure if I could run Gnome's NM-applet with KDE? > Yes, you ca

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 12:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: You talked about home servers and I pointed out that this change was done only on the desktop live image. Instead of acknowledging that, you are talking about how some people need an MTA which I don't think anyone has denied. If some package that re

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > > Yes, instead of of discussing different levels of users, or different > levels of computer systems, I tried to point on the route problem, not > getting astray on tangents out of tangents, to steer the discussion onto a > more construc

Re: akmod isn't reliable

Allegedly, on or about 02 January 2014, Richard Shaw sent: > It's really designed for people who are running > modified/custom kernels That's news to me. Never seen that mentioned before. And I can't remember how many years ago I started using akmods, possibly Fedora 11, with the default kernel

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/03/2014 12:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It was you who brought in the topic of home servers when this change was done only on the desktop live image. It is not clear from your reply whether you were already aware of this fact or not. Yes, in response to "Yes, all critical notifications a

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

Allegedly, on or about 02 January 2014, Ales Kozumplik sent: > In practice however, a user doesn't type 'dnf erase -y kernel' by > accident and we don't feel the need to protect users who really know > what they are doing from doing so. It's the same situation as 'rm > -rf /boot' or 'rpm -e --allma

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > That would imply that someone actually took the decision to *remove* the > protections against leaving the system with no installed kernel. Was this > discussed? What were the proposers smoking? > I don't think that is implied he

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Allegedly, on or about 02 January 2014, Chris Murphy sent: > When the devel@ mega thread appeared in July, was the first time > inyears I went to look for these messages. And I found a pile of > utterly useless crap being generated; and without notification, or a > good reason for them to be genera

Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

Allegedly, on or about 02 January 2014, Ranjan Maitra sent: > And a minor irritant: the design of the Home, PgUp, PgDn, End Buttons > (with the arrow keys, but using the Fn button which is on the other -- > left -- end of the keyboard) is ludicrous. While I agree that having to do key combination

Re: NetworkManager

Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I don't know how one can tell what application >> provides a particular icon or window? > Usually by looking at the help menu/ about option or equivalent. I had tried that in this case. The window I get after right clicking on the KDE NM-applet and then on Network Manag

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/14 21:07, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>> I don't know how one can tell what application >>> provides a particular icon or window? >> Usually by looking at the help menu/ about option or equivalent. > I had tried that in this case. > The window I get after right clickin

Re: NetworkManager

poma wrote: >> Right clicking on the NM icon (in Fedora-20/KDE) >> brings up an unintelligible (to me) window >> with 4 arrows whose function I do not understand. > > Take screenshot, paste link here. Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail:

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/14 21:16, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/03/14 21:07, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I don't know how one can tell what application provides a particular icon or window? >>> Usually by looking at the help menu/ about option or equivalent. >> I had tried that in this

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 01:11:39PM +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 12:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >It was you who brought in the topic of home servers when this change was > >done only on the desktop live image. It is not clear from your reply > >whether you were already aware

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 21:48:32 + > "Powell, Michael" wrote: > > > I guess this is more of a general question, but sometimes after > > updating the kernel or nvidia drivers an akmod isn't regenerated and > > my system will begin to boot,

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 02 January 2014, Richard Shaw sent: > > It's really designed for people who are running > > modified/custom kernels > > That's news to me. Never seen that mentioned before. And I can't > remember how many years ago I started us

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On 01/03/14 21:46, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marko Vojinovic > wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 21:48:32 + > "Powell, Michael" > wrote: > > > I guess this is more of a general question, but somet

Re: suspend or hibernate

Heinz Diehl: >> My whole family uses Linux and has used hibernation regularly. None of >> us has encountered problems so far... Robert Moskowitz: > It seems to be rather hardware related. Some works fine, others not. > My old HP 2400 was great with it. Not so much my Lenovo x120e. I concur.

Re: suspend or hibernate

Rahul Sundaram: >> Because it is part of pm-utils and pm stands for power management. Robert Moskowitz: > Oh, that makes perfect sense. Sarcasm or "aha!"? I'd be sarcastic, when it comes to something like - let's abbreviate "power management" to a needs-to-be-guessed at "pm," but combined with

Re: suspend or hibernate

Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: > I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this command > rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to > look for the memory? In my case, it was much quicker to resume my laptop from suspend or hibern

dnf update -

This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an update for me: [root@box10 bobg]# dnf update Resolving dependencies --> Starting dependency resolution --> Finished dependency resolution Dependencies resolved. Nothing to do. But yum update a moment later: Transaction Summ

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an update for me: [root@box10 bobg]# dnf update Resolving dependencies --> Starting dependency resolution --> Finished dependency resolution Dependencies resolved

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >> This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. >> >> Only once has this produced an update for me: >> >> [root@box10 bobg]# dnf update >> Resolving dependencies >> --> Starting dependency re

Re: NetworkManager

On 03.01.2014 14:10, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? http://goo.gl/OlWp1U poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users F

since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I no longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified that the jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for them. Other system tasks, not run through cron, send their emails as usual. crontab has a "Ma

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: > Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? Check if you have sendmail installed - it is no longer installed by default on Fedora 20 and the default installation will no longer handle local mail. There is a

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 04:13 PM, Steven Stern wrote: Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? Is it an upgraded system or a new install? If it is a new install sendmail is no longer installed, so you have to install it yourself. Lars -- Lars E. Pettersson http://www.sm6rpz.se/ -- us

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:13:37AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I no > longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified that the > jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for them. Other > system tasks

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:19 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:13 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? > > Is it an upgraded system or a new install? If it is a new install > sendmail is no longer installed, so you have to install it yourself.

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:16 AM, Steve Searle wrote: > Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: > >> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? > > Check if you have sendmail installed - it is no longer installed by > default on Fedora 20 and the default ins

f20 yumex :: user interaction window not displaying text

Hi! I have a strange problem with yumex in fedora 20 : the user interaction window (like when i am asked for confirmation for installation of packages) does not display any text .. i can blind click the yes button and works but it is annoying ... Has anyone noticed this? f20 up to date the yumex i

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:16 AM, Steve Searle wrote: > > Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: > > > >> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? > > > > Check if you have sendmail installed

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:30 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:22 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> It's an upgrade. Sendmail is installed, enabled, and working. > > Ah, OK. I also have an upgraded system, and I also have the same lines > in the crontab file, so I think it should just work. Strange

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:22:17AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 09:16 AM, Steve Searle wrote: >>> Around 03:13pm on Friday, January 03, 2014 (UK time), Steven Stern wrote: >>> Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored? >

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:01:26AM +, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Suvayu Ali > >> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: > >>>

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 04:39 PM, Steven Stern wrote: $ crontab -l I had only root do cron stuff, but set up a small cronjob for my own user. That mail went through without a hitch. So it is probably not related to who is running cron, root or an ordinary user. Could there, for some reason, be that y

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 04:22 PM, Steven Stern wrote: It's an upgrade. Sendmail is installed, enabled, and working. Ah, OK. I also have an upgraded system, and I also have the same lines in the crontab file, so I think it should just work. Strange. What is the output of 'systemctl -l status crond.servi

after upgrade to fedora 20 error with grub file missing

Hi, after upgrading fedora 19 with fedora 20, i got the following error message with grub is loading: Welcome to GRUB! error: file '/grub2/locale/en.mo.gz' not found how is it possible after using fedup --network 20 to upgrade (in VMWare worstation) ? thx -- users mailing list users@list

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:13:37 -0600 Steven Stern wrote: > With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I > no longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified > that the jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for > them. Other system tasks, not

Re: dnf update -

On 03/01/14 09:53, Ales Kozumplik wrote: Hey Bob, that's expected: http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/02/dnf-update-and-yum-update-produce-different-output/ Ales Ok, at least I'm not causing the problem, will continue doing yum updates then. Thanks, Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/w2bod Bo

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:50 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 04:39 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> $ crontab -l > > I had only root do cron stuff, but set up a small cronjob for my own > user. That mail went through without a hitch. So it is probably not > related to who is running cron, root or a

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:43:21AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > > What does the following tell you? > > > > # journalctl -ru sendmail > > > > They tell me sendmail is running. The problem is with cron, not sendmail I asked that to see whether s

Password to shutdown as user -

Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Requires a password to shut down as bobg. I've never had that problem before and not certain I had it on the initial install. It is a real annoyance ... and then it waits for "stop job is running for cups printing service," obviously I have something messed up but

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: > > I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer > = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.c

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 09:13 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > With F19, I got email from cron on all jobs that produced output. I no > longer get those mails after upgrading to F20. I have verified that the > jobs are run. There are no entries in /var/log/maillog for them. Other > system tasks, not run through

Re: since F20 update, cron has stopped sending mail

On 01/03/2014 10:21 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 09:43:21AM -0600, Steven Stern wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 09:37 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> >>> What does the following tell you? >>> >>> # journalctl -ru sendmail >>> >> >> They tell me sendmail is running. The problem is with cron,

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"

Re: NetworkManager

poma wrote: > On 03.01.2014 14:10, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? > > http://goo.gl/OlWp1U Thank you very much. The window I get when I right-click on my KDE NM-applet, and the click on Network Management Settings, can be found at

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:29:20 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: > > I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf > mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t"

Re: NetworkManager

Ed Greshko wrote: >> The window I get after right clicking on the KDE NM-applet >> and then on Network Management Settings - >> the window whose contents I do not understand - >> has a Help tab, but this brings up the Plasma manual, >> which does not appear to contain anything relevant. > I don'

Re: NetworkManager

Ed Greshko wrote: > I think this illustrates what I think you're seeing. > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H9v1dYNcvpX2FuQ3F5OEhjeTA/edit?usp=sharing Indeed. Do you consider this display self-explanatory? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net School of Mathematics, Trini

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an update for me: [root@box10 bobg]# dnf update Resolving dependencies

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/2014 11:34 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> And the mail is failing. Here is what I have

sendmail ignoring .forward?

Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.com which is a valid, external email account but mail sent to "sdstern" goes to "sdst...@sterndata.

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 11:06 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into > space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. > > /home/sdstern/.forward contains > > \r...@sterndata.com > > which is a valid, external email acc

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 11:49 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:29:20 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 12:03 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/03/2014 11:34 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/03/2014 11:21 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 05:29 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: And the mai

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 12:06 PM, Steven Stern wrote: Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.com which is a valid, external email account but mai

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >>> On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only once has this produced an up

Dual boot Windows 8.1 Pro and Fedora 20

Hello everybody , I have a problem : Laptop Dell 17 R model 3721 ,disk 1Tb , mem 8 Gb , vga : Radeon 8730 m and Intel 4000 hd. I did fresh install Windows 8.1. Pro : No problems everyting runs fine. Therafter I did fresh install Fedora 20 (Mate , all groups) : Runs perfectly fine , but when

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 3, 2014 4:08 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your >> cronjob output in the journal, *your* cron is broken. > > > Default installation: > > [root@tux ~]# rpm -V cronie > [root

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 12:27 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/03/2014 12:06 PM, Steven Stern wrote: Ignore the previous cron messages. It seems that the mail is going into space because sendmail is not respecting the .forward in my home directory. /home/sdstern/.forward contains \r...@sterndata.co

Re: sendmail ignoring .forward?

On 01/03/2014 01:27 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Somewhere I encountered that .forward was deprecated even back in f17, > and I had to stop using it and rely on editing /etc/aliases and running > newaliases. My /root/.forward works perfectly fine here in F20. I forward all root mail to my regu

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:19:16 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >> so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf > >> mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t" > > mailer = /usr/bin/mailx -s Logwatch user # where user is you. > > Why subject? >Do you mean that I should not include -t Don't include -t >which seem

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/2014 08:43 AM, Timothy Murphy issued this missive: poma wrote: On 03.01.2014 14:10, Timothy Murphy wrote: Is there a Fedora pastebin that will take a short-term PNG file? http://goo.gl/OlWp1U Thank you very much. The window I get when I right-click on my KDE NM-applet, and the cl

Re: suspend or hibernate

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: > > I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this command > > rather than saving and booting up? and How does it know that to > > look for the memory? > > In my case, it was

Re: dnf update -

On 03.01.2014 18:28, Kevin Martin wrote: > On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >>> On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE syst

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/03/2014 12:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Tim > wrote: Allegedly, on or about 01 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent: > I might find "hibernate" on my own: why would a user use this command > rather tha

Re: Trying to use mailx for logwatch

On 01/03/2014 12:34 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:19:16 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t" mailer = /usr/bin/mailx -s Logwatch user # where user is you. Why subject? Do you mean that I should not include -t Do

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 07:28 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 10:58 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: On 01/03/2014 05:04 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: On 01/03/2014 08:53 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: On 01/03/2014 03:47 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: This is a Fedora-20 64 bit XFCE system. Only o

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 09:28 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: If it's just going to be the same old thing then why bother? It's new, it's different, it's *shiny!* For some people, that's all that matters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https:

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 09:51 AM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly like yum (I think including all current "bugs".) I don't know if you should expect any improvements in dnf oth

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > > There is an ongoing discussion on devel@ group about dnf being 100% > compatible with yum. Some people say that it should behave exactly like > yum (I think including all current "bugs".) > Not a single person has ever asked for 100%

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Still, if all they end up with after all that work is a program that does > what yum does but faster, it looks like an awful lot of work for little > gain. Why not just put the time into making yum faster? > They are making yum faster. dnf

Re: dnf update -

On 01/03/2014 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: They are making yum faster. dnf is a experimental fork of yum so that the invasive changes needed to make yum more faster is done as a separate program to allow users to test and send their feedback Then why are they replacing yum with dnf instead

Re: dnf update -

Hi On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Then why are they replacing yum with dnf instead of folding the > improvements into yum? > As I just noted in devel list, my understanding is that the end result will continue to be called yum. I certainly hope that is the case Rahul -- u

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote: > On 01/02/2014 12:54 PM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >>> A question, I found the following on >>> >>> >>> "dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel >>> >>> In Yum, the running kernel is

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior. And it's >> also not done at all on iOS, Android, Windows, OS X. And it's highly >> questionable on desktop linux whethe

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/03/2014 12:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_release_announcement#No_Default_Sendmail.2C_Syslog > > Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to > take care of thes

Re: dnf update -

On 1/3/2014 1:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/03/2014 09:28 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> If it's just going to be the same old thing then why bother? > > It's new, it's different, it's *shiny!* For some people, that's all > that matters. You missed - I'm so afraid!! :-) -- David -- users

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 02:01:26AM +, Tom H wrote: >> >> Via google: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Rsyslog > > Thank you Tom. As ever, Gentoo & Arch has the best documentation again! You're welcome. They do have excellent documentation! But

Fedora 20 install - can I revert to the old installer?

Hi All; Is there a way to install Fedora 20 and force it to use the old installer, which gave me more control per installing multiple GUI's, etc? Thanks in advance -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

RE: akmod isn't reliable

> I think it is reliable, you just need to wait it out. The rebuilding of > akmod is being done for a given kernel while that kernel is running, so > when you update the kernel, the akmod doesn't get built until you boot > into it. And when you boot into it, systemd will at some point try to > acti

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Hi Pete, You seem to be well-versed with journalctl. I hope you don't mind my asking a few questions. On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:07:29PM -0700, Pete Travis wrote: > > $ su -c 'crontab -l' > * * * * * echo "TEST TEST" > $ crontab -l > * * * * LARSHAPPY="no"; if [[ "$LARSHAPPY" == "no" ]]; then

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On 01/03/2014 12:00 PM, Powell, Michael wrote: The system boot screen did indicate it was initiating / building akmods, but I may not have let it sit long enough. When I manually build the akmod it doesn't take longer than 2m and I'm almost certain I've let it sit longer at boot. If it happens

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 07:27:05PM +, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> > >> Clearly it is. Most users don't know about this behavior. And it's > >> also not done at all on iOS, Android, Wi

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