Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 15:53, Alan Cox wrote: >> Not true. Computers treat the two cases as separate characters because >> there is no mechanism of having different versions of the same >> character. However, humans treat the two cases as two forms of the >> same character. > > For a small subset

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 23:07, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 13:35 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> > The question then reduces to: should the yum interface be designed to >> > be comfortable for a computer to interface with, or s

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/10/2011 09:17 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 15:53, Alan Cox wrote: >>> Not true. Computers treat the two cases as separate characters because >>> there is no mechanism of having different versions of the same >>> character. However, humans treat the two cases as two forms o

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 06:05, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Tim said: >> Beg yours?  There's plenty of procedures for treating "A" as "a" in >> computing. > > In 7 bit ASCII, sure.  But the world has moved on (since most of the > worlds' languages don't work in 7 bit ASCII), and UTF mak

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:22, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Do there exist Fedora packages with those characters in the package >> names? > > c.f. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines > Thanks, Ralf. By virtue of that link, we have reduced the problem to simply ASCII uppercase a

How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Jatin K
Dear All, I've attached a USB to serial converter on my laptop's USB port. question is how do I find which serial port is assigned to my device ( the converter ) ?? Thanks & Regards -- °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Jatin Khatri Registerd Linux user No #501175 www.counter.li.org No M$ -- users mai

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread JB
Jatin K gmail.com> writes: > > Dear All, > > I've attached a USB to serial converter on my laptop's USB port. > > question is how do I find which serial port is assigned to my device ( > the converter ) ?? > > Thanks & Regards > Does it not tell you ? $ lsusb $ lsusb -v JB -- users mai

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Jatin K
On Thursday 10 March 2011 03:03 PM, JB wrote: > Jatin K gmail.com> writes: > >> Dear All, >> >> I've attached a USB to serial converter on my laptop's USB port. >> >> question is how do I find which serial port is assigned to my device ( >> the converter ) ?? >> >> Thanks& Regards >> > Does it n

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:32:16 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:22, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> Do there exist Fedora packages with those characters in the package > >> names? > > > > c.f. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines > > > > Thanks, Ralf. > > By

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
> > Do there exist Fedora packages with those characters in the package > > names? > > c.f. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines Fedora specific magic, that btw isn't even true the moment you are using 3rd party rpm packages. The standard is defined by rpm, not Fedora, which

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Tom Horsley
> is it possible for you to go through it and tell me the serial port > assigned to my converter ?? What you want is udevadm. I think something like "udevadm trigger" in dry-run mode with extra options to print all the properties will tell you what you want (I forget the exact complex command syn

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Markku Kolkka
Jatin K kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika torstai, 10. maaliskuuta 2011): > after running lsusb -v I got the chip name which is CP210x > Composite device on line number 98... but I'm not able to > find which serial port is assigned to it or on which serial > port I need to use to send the comm

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread JB
Jatin K gmail.com> writes: > ... Any one of these ? $ man usb-devices $ usb-devices $ cat /proc/bus/usb/devices # lshw JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: h

Re: My backintime app is busted on Fedora 14.

2011-03-10 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:44 +0800, Dick Roark wrote: > I have been using backintime since Fedora 11. Since Fedora 14, it no > longer works. I have been unable to get it working. Further to what I said previously, I now see the same problem. I've filed a bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/s

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 March 2011 05:53, Fernando Cassia wrote: > This is silly makes me waste time... wasting time is no good. > > [root@doscabezas sound-juicer-2.20.1]# yum install Perl-xml-parser > Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > Setting up Install Process > No package Perl-xml-parser available. > > ..G

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Jatin K
On Thursday 10 March 2011 04:11 PM, Markku Kolkka wrote: > > "com1" and "com2" are Windows port names and not relevant in > Linux. If you have only one USB-serial converter, the device name > should be /dev/ttyUSB0 > >> is it possible it is on line N0.98 (Cygnal Integrated Products, Inc. CP210x Co

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Jatin K
On Thursday 10 March 2011 04:11 PM, Markku Kolkka wrote: > "com1" and "com2" are Windows port names and not relevant in > Linux. If you have only one USB-serial converter, the device name > should be /dev/ttyUSB0 > if I connect it to my windows system I can connect it using hyperterminal on com2

problems getting yum to see latest available updates

2011-03-10 Thread Geoffrey Smith
Hello, First time here - thanks in advance for any advice. We are running an older fc11 system and are having yum problems. Trying to update openssl, and the rpm that we need (openssl-0.9.8k-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm) exists for download, but when I run yum list openssl we don't have the option to

Re: problems getting yum to see latest available updates

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/10/2011 01:43 PM, Geoffrey Smith wrote: > Hello, > > First time here - thanks in advance for any advice. > > We are running an older fc11 system and are having yum problems. > Trying to update openssl, and the rpm that we need > (openssl-0.9.8k-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm) exists for download, but when

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Roger K. Wells
On 03/10/2011 04:22 AM, Jatin K wrote: > Dear All, > > I've attached a USB to serial converter on my laptop's USB port. > > question is how do I find which serial port is assigned to my device ( > the converter ) ?? > > > Thanks& Regards > dmesg | grep "/dev/tty" -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 T

Re: How to find which serial port is assigned to the attached device [fc13]

2011-03-10 Thread Roger K. Wells
On 03/10/2011 08:02 AM, Roger K. Wells wrote: > On 03/10/2011 04:22 AM, Jatin K wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I've attached a USB to serial converter on my laptop's USB port. >> >> question is how do I find which serial port is assigned to my device ( >> the converter ) ?? >> >> >> Thanks& Regards >>

Re: problems getting yum to see latest available updates

2011-03-10 Thread Geoffrey Smith
Thanks for being easy on me -- chalk it up to lack of caffeine. I was just reading the security notice and not paying attention. I have been having similar troubles for other packages however, but before asking more questions I will be sure I have my facts straight - -g On Mar 10, 2011, at

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Beg yours? There's plenty of procedures for treating "A" as "a" in >> computing. Chris Adams: > In 7 bit ASCII, sure. But the world has moved on (since most of the > worlds' languages don't work in 7 bit ASCII), and UTF makes this vastly > more complicated (including rules that change ba

Re: f12

2011-03-10 Thread madu...@gmail.com
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Re: Packages remaining after upgrade

2011-03-10 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 18:17 -0500, Alex wrote: > For example, has expat really not been upgraded since fc13? I have a > 100 packages from fc12 still installed. Is that normal? This includes > libXaw, lzo, smp_utils, which, xorg-x11-xauth, mozilla-filesystem, > among others. > > Is fc12 even still

Re: Packages remaining after upgrade

2011-03-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/10/2011 04:47 AM, Alex wrote: > Hi, > > I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are > multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from > fc12. That's quite normal for reasons others have stated but do run yum distro-sync. That should fix any package ve

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
> Anyway, being really pedantic. In the English language, it's certainly I think you mean American. I doubt most people know the correct behaviour for æ, ï, ô, é and other accented letters that appear in en_GB English words. > possible (and acceptable) to fold upper- down to lower-case, or vice

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/09/2011 06:25 PM, Alex wrote: > Hi, > > As a follow-up to my own post, I now have several other selinux errors > that I can't figure out: > > type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1299712804.077:53): arch=c03e syscall=2 > success=no exit=-13 a0=fac5b0 a1=

Re: Fedora/3.6.14-1.fc13 Firefox/3.6.14 youTube colors are mostly red/yellow, how to reset?

2011-03-10 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 03/09/2011 06:31 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> The last two updates seems to have messed >> up the color palette for FF YouTube videos. >> All I see are mostly red/yellow colors. > Hardware acceleration on Flash? Right click, disable. > >

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:01:46 + Alan Cox wrote: > At this point you hopefully start to see why "Did you mean XYZ" is much > easier to implement, and also more useful ! But, of course, billions of scripts already run rpm and yum commands in cron and other automated systems, so the only way you

python3 instalation from F15 broken deps

2011-03-10 Thread Martín Marqués
Downloaded python3 packages from F15 development repo and found that there's some kind of dependency problem: yum localupdate python3-* --nogpgcheck Complementos cargados:downloadonly, fastestmirror, presto, priorities, refresh-packagekit, remove-with- : leaves, rpm-warm-cache,

Re: Packages remaining after upgrade

2011-03-10 Thread Alex
Hi, >> I've just upgraded from fc13 to fc14, and I've noticed there are >> multitudes of packages remaining not only from fc13, but even from >> fc12. > > That's quite normal for reasons others have stated but do run yum > distro-sync.  That should fix any package versioning issues Thanks everyon

Re: Blog system

2011-03-10 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:12:48 -0700 Mike Dwiggins wrote: > Easiest I have found is Word Press. I have four sites running on two > servers and comments with control is in the base package. > > Best of all is that if you own the server WordPress is free. > > > On 3/9/2011 10:51 AM, Luc MAIGNAN

Re: problems getting yum to see latest available updates

2011-03-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 07:43 -0500, Geoffrey Smith wrote: > First time here - thanks in advance for any advice. First piece of advice: don't hijack threads. Your message was sent as a reply to a completely different topic, and is thus being threaded with that topic in many people's mail clients. Th

Re: Blog system

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Luc MAIGNAN wrote: > What is the best package to do that ? If you care about the SQL backend, Wordpress can only do MySQL (officially). I run a PostgreSQL shop, so I went with a blog engine not found in Fedora. Dotclear[1] [1] http://dotclear.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Alex
Hi, >> I've tried running this through audit2allow but it doesn't seem to >> resolve it, even after rebooting and relabeling. >> >> # egrep "httpd|perl|munin|crond" /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow -M >> mypol >> # semodule -i mypol.pp >> >> These are all related to my recent install of mun

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:21:06 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:01:46 + > Alan Cox wrote: > > > At this point you hopefully start to see why "Did you mean XYZ" is much > > easier to implement, and also more useful ! > > But, of course, billions of scripts already run rpm and

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: > I just noticed that ever since Fedora 11 the Installation Guide > recommends against having a /usr partition separate from the root file > system (though as recently as Fedora 12 the Example Usage still showed a > separate /usr). I've always

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Alex wrote: > is this a problem with the policy for munin or my system in general? If you have already relabeled (and it sounds like you have) then yes, it would be a bug with selinux-policy. You can always generate a policy to workaround the issue with: $ audit2allow -M mypolicy [paste AVC mes

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Kam Leo wrote: > > It probably has less to do with the boot process and more with disto > upgrading; i.e. less likely that user files get clobbered if /usr is > separate. Nope. It has everything to do with booting. Some packages in /bin depended on libs in /usr/lib{64} so calling the init script

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Alex
Hi, >> is this a problem with the policy for munin or my system in general? > > If you have already relabeled (and it sounds like you have) then yes, it > would be a bug with selinux-policy. > > You can always generate a policy to workaround the issue with: > > $ audit2allow -M mypolicy > [paste A

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/10/2011 12:18 PM, Alex wrote: > Hi, > >>> is this a problem with the policy for munin or my system in general? >> >> If you have already relabeled (and it sounds like you have) then yes, it >> would be a bug with selinux-policy. >> >> You can al

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Kam Leo
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Kam Leo wrote: > > > > It probably has less to do with the boot process and more with disto > > upgrading; i.e. less likely that user files get clobbered if /usr is > > separate. > > Nope. It has everything to do with booting. Some pack

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Kam Leo wrote: > > Thanks for setting me straight. Does that mean we're heading back toward > separate partitions for everything? AFAIK /usr will not be defaulted as a separate partition any time soon. Some packagers see benefits to it and some do not. It is not an officially supported option.

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Alan Cox wrote: Anyway, being really pedantic. In the English language, it's certainly I think you mean American. I doubt most people know the correct behaviour for æ, ï, ô, é and other accented letters that appear in en_GB English words. The issue of what becomes what

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread fred smith
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:04:13PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Kam Leo wrote: > > > > Thanks for setting me straight. Does that mean we're heading back toward > > separate partitions for everything? > > AFAIK /usr will not be defaulted as a separate partition any time soon. > Some package

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > In 7 bit ASCII, sure.  But the world has moved on (since most of the > worlds' languages don't work in 7 bit ASCII), and UTF makes this vastly > more complicated (including rules that change based on the current > locale). Do you say package n

Re: selinux vbetool error

2011-03-10 Thread Alex
>> # cat mylog >> type=AVC msg=audit(1299774763.043:2272): avc:  denied  { getattr } for >>  pid=3245 comm="httpd" path="/etc/munin/htpasswd.users" dev=sda1 >> ino=3543833 scontext=system_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0 >> tcontext=system_u:object_r:munin_etc_t:s0 tclass=file >> type=AVC msg=audit(1299777304

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM, fred smith wrote: > I've configured my eeepc (901) that way because the 4 gig ssd just > isn't big enough if /usr is put on it, along with / and /boot. Moving > /boot off doesn't save much space, either. > > so, for F14 I manually moved /usr after installation, an

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
> The issue of what becomes what for purposes of comparison > is easliy settled by asking a genealogist. > Genealogists have been handling such problems for years. More focussed on time shifting (eg þ to th) but you could if you really wanted. You don't need to ask them however, librarians have b

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
> Do you say package names change with each language?. No but the question is "abcde" the same as "ABCDE" except for case does > I never saw that. And I ran a couple Linux distros in Spanish for some > time. Package names had the same filenames as US english. Yum does translate groupinstall name

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/10/2011 10:58 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > By which time you will most definitely not want to rely on caseless > comparisons as you will understand the true nature of caseless comparison > and how locale dependant it is. Can we just agree that using caseless comparisons in Linux invokes the nasal

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 07:01:20PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > Do you say package names change with each language?. > > No but the question is "abcde" the same as "ABCDE" except for case does In most locales "abcde" and "ABCDE" is the same when doing case insensitive comparison, but e.g. wcscasecm

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > In most locales "abcde" and "ABCDE" is the same when doing case insensitive > comparison, but e.g. wcscasecmp (L"hijkl", L"HIJKL") returns non-zero > in tr_TR.UTF-8 while it returns 0 in en_US.UTF-8 or C locales. > >        Jakub How does

Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
I am trying to print from an XP machine to a F14 but it is defeating me. I am running the IIS system on XP which is supposed to support the ipp protocol for accessing printers. It has a HP Deskjet on it as a local printer. Cups on the F14 is supposed to also support ipp communication. In the XP d

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > I am trying to print from an XP machine to a F14 but it is defeating me. > I am running the IIS system on XP which is supposed to support the ipp > protocol for accessing printers. It has a HP Deskjet on it as a local > printer. > > Cups on t

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:52:08 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: > In the XP documentation you are supposed to able to browse for printers > in the add printer GUI but none is found by my XP. I've never seen browsing IPP work, but if I explicitly add an IPP printer I happen to know exists on the network,

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 17:03 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:52:08 -0600 > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > In the XP documentation you are supposed to able to browse for printers > > in the add printer GUI but none is found by my XP. > > I've never seen browsing IPP work, but if I ex

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 15:54 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > I am trying to print from an XP machine to a F14 but it is defeating me. > > I am running the IIS system on XP which is supposed to support the ipp > > protocol for accessing printers

Re: Blog system

2011-03-10 Thread Unknown
On 03/11/2011 03:00:46 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:12:48 -0700 > Mike Dwiggins wrote: > > > Easiest I have found is Word Press. I have four sites running on > two > > servers and comments with control is in the base package. > > > > Best of all is that if you own the server

crontab - scripts not exiciting.

2011-03-10 Thread Gregory Machin
Hi. I have a script that needs to run from a cron job. I added the script as explained, in the deployment instructions. crontab -e (root) looks as follows * * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ZabbixApacheUpdater.py -c server1 -z 10.24.0.231 > /dev/null 2>&1 * * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/Zabb

Re: crontab - scripts not exiciting.

2011-03-10 Thread Thierry Vanden Broucke
If it tries to execute something in another dir an this dir doesnt have the right peissions it wont execute Em 10/03/2011 19:53, "Gregory Machin" escreveu: > Hi. > I have a script that needs to run from a cron job. I added the script > as explained, in the deployment instructions. > > crontab -e

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Alan Cox wrote: The issue of what becomes what for purposes of comparison is easliy settled by asking a genealogist. Genealogists have been handling such problems for years. More focussed on time shifting (eg þ to th) but you could if you really wanted. You don't need to

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 16:12 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > I have tried: ipp://hostname/printer/ > and that did not work.. What about? http://hostname:631/printer/ It's been ages since I set up a Win2000 box to print to my server, but I vaguely recall similar tomfoolery. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ un

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:12:43 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: > I have tried that and it has not worked. Could you desctibe exactly how > you did that. Which option in the Add Printer GUI did you use and what > did you type there: > I have tried: ipp://hostname/printer/ > and that did not work.. I don'

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread John Mellor
(Sorry for the top-post, but I've had enough of this thread.) Can we take this offline to a bit-bucket somewhere, and maybe point the original poster to a basic course on language and locales and character sets? This thread has gone on far too long, and has no relevance for anyone outside of the U

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-03-10 Thread Tim
Michael Cronenworth: >> Nope. It has everything to do with booting. Some packages in /bin >> depended on libs in /usr/lib{64} so calling the init script >> before /usr is mounted would fail. There's a discussion about this >> in the devel list if you search the history for it. > Kam Leo: > Thanks

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machine.

2011-03-10 Thread Tom Horsley
> Of course, I just tried to get to the printer properties for > the first time in about a year, and XP is telling me it > can't do it, so now it is busted for me too (I know I printed > my taxes last year from this same XP box :-). And now I deleted and tried to redefine the printer, and it brows

Re: crontab - scripts not exiciting.

2011-03-10 Thread Mike Williams
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Gregory Machin wrote: > Hi. > I have a script that needs to run from a cron job. I added the script > as explained, in the deployment instructions. > > crontab -e (root) looks as follows > > * * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ZabbixApacheUpdater.py -c server1 > -

Re: crontab - scripts not exiciting.

2011-03-10 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 11Mar2011 11:53, Gregory Machin wrote: | I have a script that needs to run from a cron job. I added the script | as explained, in the deployment instructions. | | crontab -e (root) looks as follows | | * * * * * /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ZabbixApacheUpdater.py -c server1 | -z 10.24.0.231 > /d

Re: Firefox 4 betas ?

2011-03-10 Thread Jim Philips
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: > >Any idea when this repository is going to be updated to beta 12 ? Its > >currently got beta 11. > > >From earlier in that thread, you can use remi's... > jlc > > Even though RC1 is out there, I can't update. Yum complains there is a dep

Re: Force exit status if file not found

2011-03-10 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 07Mar2011 16:34, Kevin Martin wrote: | Strangely enough, if I'm in a directory and do a "find . -name e" (where e doesn't exist) I get *no* failed message and an exit code | of 0. I find that a bit odd as I would think that "find e" and "find . -name e" would be the same thing. Perhaps that

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/11/2011 07:23 AM, John Mellor wrote: > (Sorry for the top-post, but I've had enough of this thread.) > Can we take this offline to a bit-bucket somewhere, and maybe point the > original poster to a basic course on language and locales and character > sets? This thread has gone on far too lon

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:23 PM, John Mellor wrote: >  This thread has gone on far too long, Your opinion, obviously. > and has no relevance for > anyone outside of the United States and their weird and incorrect use of > their own  language. I just asked why couldn´t yum suggest, when the pac

Re: Firefox 4 betas ?

2011-03-10 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/04/2011 11:00 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > Anyone running them ? How are they ? > > Is there a way to run both Firefox 3.6.x and the Firefox 4 beta without > messing things up ? > > Thanks > I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on th

Re: Firefox 4 betas ?

2011-03-10 Thread suvayu ali
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in > /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on the panel, set it as the default > browser, and I'm good to go.  (And, unlike the repo version, it updates > itself because I gave my account w

Re: Firefox 4 betas ?

2011-03-10 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/10/2011 06:58 PM, suvayu ali wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steven Stern > wrote: >> I just grabbed Firefox 4 from Mozilla's site and installed in >> /usr/local/firefox. I put a link on the panel, set it as the default >> browser, and I'm good to go. (And, unlike the repo version

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Mike Williams
> > On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:17:34 -0200 > Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > > Does Red Hat allow two packages with the same name, but different > > capitalization?. I rest my case. > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > Can you p

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Mike Williams wrote: > php-pear-Auth-radius.noarch > php-pear-Auth-RADIUS.noarch > > Mike Interesting. This should be fixed, IMHO. :) The potential for inadvertedly installing the wrong package while meaning the other one is huge. There shouldn´t be different pa

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Alan Evans
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I´m certainly tired of dictators that decree when a given discussion > has been going on "for far too long" and thinks his viewpoint is > "obviously correct", and that user-hostile messages to enforce proper > capitalization of a package na

Re: Printing from WinXP machine to a F14 machin

2011-03-10 Thread R. G. Newbury
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:12:43 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: >> > I have tried that and it has not worked. Could you desctibe exactly how >> > you did that. Which option in the Add Printer GUI did you use and what >> > did you type there: >> > I have tried: ipp://hostname/printer/ >> > and that did

Re: crontab - scripts not exiciting.

2011-03-10 Thread Gregory Machin
looks like it's related to the environmment variables. thanks for the advise. Will look into howto set the env vars. On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 11Mar2011 11:53, Gregory Machin wrote: > | I have a script that needs to run from a cron job. I added the script > |

rpm with biblatex.sty?

2011-03-10 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Does anyone know if there is a package containing biblatex.sty on any of the unofficial repos for F14? Thanks very much for your help! Best wishes, Ranjan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Packages remaining after upgrade

2011-03-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 03/10/2011 09:08 PM, Alex wrote: > That was my exact concern. I realize if there are no package changes > it doesn't need to be updated; I was just concerned that after the > upgrade (including distro-sync), there were still such old packages. I > would have expected at least a "build world" kin

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 12:26, Alan Cox wrote: >> By virtue of that link, we have reduced the problem to simply ASCII >> uppercase and ASCII lowercase character case insensitivity for >> installing packages via Yum. There is no need to generalise the issue >> to filenames, other operating systems,

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 17:01, Alan Cox wrote: > Ah but you see here is one of your problems. Do you want the question > >        is RPM name A == RPM name B > > to depend upon locale ? Isn't that a bit of a hazard - imagine if you > have multiple respositories and your dependancies pulled a diffe

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 18:49, Alan Cox wrote: > Your scripts alreaduy assume that you got the name right, and being > automated generally speaking they are not looking at user provided names > so its a non-problem. > > In fact your bigger problem is that adding broken new case insensitive > compa

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 20:58, Alan Cox wrote: >> The issue of what becomes what for purposes of comparison >> is easliy settled by asking a genealogist. >> Genealogists have been handling such problems for years. > > More focussed on time shifting (eg þ to th) but you could if you really > wanted

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 21:01, Alan Cox wrote: >> Do you say package names change with each language?. > > No but the question is "abcde" the same as "ABCDE" except for case does > In what locale is lowerCase("abcde")!=lowerCase("ABCDE") for ASCII characters? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/10/2011 04:38 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I´m certainly tired of dictators that decree when a given discussion > has been going on "for far too long" and thinks his viewpoint is > "obviously correct", I would agree with you on this, if on nothing else, if it weren't for one thing: AFAICT,

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 22:02, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 07:01:20PM +, Alan Cox wrote: >> > Do you say package names change with each language?. >> >> No but the question is "abcde" the same as "ABCDE" except for case does > > In most locales "abcde" and "ABCDE" is the sam

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 03:40, Mike Williams wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:17:34 -0200 >> Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> > Does Red Hat allow two packages with the same name, but different >> > capitalization?. I rest my case. >> > On T

Re: rpm with biblatex.sty?

2011-03-10 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Ranjan, On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a package containing biblatex.sty on any > of the unofficial repos for F14? > > Thanks very much for your help! Maybe you can try the TeXLive 2010 test repo the TeXLive maintainer maintains? http://f

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/11/2011 07:28 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please point to any RPM package that uses non-ASCII characters in the > package name, from any repo. You hardly will find any, because probably all rpm-based distros apply rules similar to that of Fedora (e.g. SUSE does as well) and because people tryi