On 6 December 2011 00:48, Tim wrote:
> And it's not just the change in direction, it's the huge increase in
> computing power that's a big problem. Some years ago, Compiz came out,
> with fancy flashy effects for your desktop (pretty, but unessential).
> That required a 3D accelerated card, whic
On Tuesday 06 December 2011 13:19:13 Misha Shnurapet wrote:
> 05.12.2011, 21:06, "Andrew Haley" :
> > Ah, it's the *users'* own fault, for not spending enough time reading
> > the GNOME 3 mailing lists. How stupid of them.
>
> It looks like you prioritize knowlege of science fiction comedy over t
On 12/5/2011 5:48 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 09:20 -0800, Robert M. Witkop wrote:
> Years ago, I also used computers long before we'd even heard of Windows.
> My own first real personal computer was the Amiga, and that was chosen
> after being thoroughly put off by the other personal co
> Well, it was a horror - it took it 10 min to stabilize KDE (load, swap in and
> out, and what ever other hell was going on in there), and while doing that to
> give me a chance to access menu items (!) or panel applets without waiting
> for each of them for 0.5 min to even react to each of my mou
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes:
>
> On 12/05/2011 04:48 PM, Tim wrote:
> > Buying new and expensive hardware every few years, for artificially
> > necessary reasons, is the Windows mindset.
>
> The underlying problem is much more fundamental than that. Often, the
> devs get big, muscular boxes to w
On 12/06/2011 04:19 AM, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
> 05.12.2011, 21:06, "Andrew Haley" :
>> Ah, it's the *users'* own fault, for not spending enough time reading
>> the GNOME 3 mailing lists. How stupid of them.
>
> It looks like you prioritize knowlege of science fiction comedy over that
> of your c
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Misha Shnurapet
wrote:
> Watch this video, it'll help you make the right choice next time.
>
> [1] http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/09/16/video-the-history-of-fedora/
>
Wow! very enlightening video!
Well, not really, considering the fact I'm using Fedora since FC1 a
05.12.2011, 21:06, "Andrew Haley" :
> Ah, it's the *users'* own fault, for not spending enough time reading
> the GNOME 3 mailing lists. How stupid of them.
It looks like you prioritize knowlege of science fiction comedy over that of
your company's profile.
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On 12/05/2011 04:48 PM, Tim wrote:
> Buying new and expensive hardware every few years, for artificially
> necessary reasons, is the Windows mindset.
The underlying problem is much more fundamental than that. Often, the
devs get big, muscular boxes to work on with lots and lots of disk
space, R
On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 09:20 -0800, Robert M. Witkop wrote:
> I upgraded my hardware about the time that F15 came out, so I decided
> that I would install f15 instead of f14. When I found that gnome did
> not run out of the box, I had to make a decision, to I want to go
> through a learning curve, o
On 12/05/2011 09:56 AM, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
> And before GNOME 3.0 was released, there had been loads of tech
> previews, presentations, alpha and beta builds, blog posts,
> screenshots, videos and all kinds of other information on the
> Internet about what the new GNOME 3 was going to be. The
I have been working with computers and operating system before many on
this list were even a twinkle in their fathers eye. When I was
introduced to Linux (kernel 0.92), it pleased me that I could switch to
a computer I didn't have to build myself. Also, I no longer had to run
ZPM at home, and unix
lick how will anyone logically deduce this and
> try it ?
Yep, that's the most sensible critique so far in this thread (after mine) -
it almost matches "The Linus view of GNOME 3.2" ...
> ...
JB
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Misha Shnurapet
wrote:
> 05.12.2011, 17:02, "Reindl Harald" :
>> Am 05.12.2011 08:11, schrieb Misha Shnurapet:
>>
>>> 03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
major parts of exist
> The ignoranti may want a UI with no learning curve, but they're not
> going to get it. Even the nipple takes time for an infant to learn how
> to use.
That's somewhat arrogant and misleading. You assume that people want
exact control of everything they use, whereas most people want detailed
d
05.12.2011, 19:04, "Reindl Harald" :
> Am 05.12.2011 10:56, schrieb Misha Shnurapet:
>> That is Open Source, and that is how the software is developed and bug
>> reports gathered.
> well, but if the software is not ready for endusers it should
> not released to them as default UI
Was it not
Am 05.12.2011 10:56, schrieb Misha Shnurapet:
>> SURELY!
>>
>> nobody forced the developers to throw all away and start from scratch
>> if they decide to do so the should hol d back their crap until it is
>> ready or learn what refactoring is and maintain the existing code
>
> No, they didn't ha
05.12.2011, 17:02, "Reindl Harald" :
> Am 05.12.2011 08:11, schrieb Misha Shnurapet:
>
>> 03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
>>> It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
>>> major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
>>> function
On 12/04/2011 11:44 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
> But this resembles an _unconfigured_ gnome2 installation -- all of the
> buttons, drawers, and widgets from Gnome 2's gnome-panel are lost.
To add things to the panels, press alt and hold, press right mouse click.
The drawers are not there though, but b
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Misha Shnurapet
wrote:
> 03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
>> It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
>> major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
>> functional replacements
>
> There is no arguing
On 12/04/2011 06:54 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> There will never be a single right size, portability vs. display size thing,
> and
> as people hit 40 they realize that fonts they*can* read are no longer ones
> they
> *want to* read.
I'm 62, now, and I see much better than I did when I was 40, a
Am 05.12.2011 08:11, schrieb Misha Shnurapet:
> 03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
>> It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
>> major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
>> functional replacements
>
> There is no arguing that t
03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
> It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
> major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
> functional replacements
There is no arguing that the new GNOME 3 is a significant change. But what you
had
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
>> style software. That will change.
>
> Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
> spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a d
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 21:34 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> >> On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
> >>> As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
> >>> see what undoubtedly passes for ad
On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 08:55 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > Now I don't know how things are progressing in your neck of the woods in
> > Australia but in America, the various tablets are jumping off the
> > shelves like hotcakes. Coming on the heels of the successes of the
> > netbooks indicates that the pu
Alan Cox wrote:
> I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16.
>
[...snip...]
> I still think the biggest mistake was calling it "Gnome". It's
> something quite different and they'd have upset a lot less people if
> they'd not tried to pretend it was the same experience as Gnome.
>
That
Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>> On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
>>> see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
>>> impudent children stammering
On Sunday 04 December 2011 12:21:44 Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who
> > want a zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer,
> > car and microwave oven.
>
> "Anything
> wo
> [1]Jerry Pournelle, who (along with Larry Niven) predicted pocket
> computers in *The Mote In God's Eye,* and *The Gripping Hand,* is
> thrilled to see his prediction come true so soon.
In 1974... the handheld calculator already being with us in 1967 and
Moores law already stated. Star Trek wa
On 12/04/2011 01:40 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
>> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
>> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
> If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you w
Craig White:
> Don't assume that input options remain static or aren't being improved
> upon continually. For example, Ice Cream Sandwich implements continuous
> speech processing including punctuation which represents a real option
> for many.
It's the first thing that springs to mind, as an easy
Tim:
>> Even with devices designed for the businessman to do things like
>> that, such as the Blackberry, it's inadequate for the task. I've sat
>> next to them eeking out an email, and anything more than about two
>> sentences is a major chore.
>
Alan Cox:
> You need to watch a 14 year old not a
On 12/04/2011 01:42 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I
> hear you, loud and clear, no need to shoot the messenger if you don´t
> like someone´s opinions. :)
It looks to me as though he's not so much complaining about Gnome3 being
th
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 17:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
> you do NOT WANT to understand me
YES I DO. ;)
> but it is dumb to make a desktop DEFAULT which ignores real
> computers!
I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I
hear you, loud and clear, no need to shoot the mes
Am 04.12.2011 21:05, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> what did you exactly not understand in "the percent does not matter"
>> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
>> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
>
> Th
On 12/04/2011 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Rest assured, nobody will be taking your XFCE and KDE desktops from
> you, if you want to use them on a traditional PC.
>
> But IMHO it´s desirable to see Linux moving into these new grounds.
Exactly. I have no objection to seeing Linux move into t
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald wrote:
> what did you exactly not understand in "the percent does not matter"
> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
The percentage DOES matter in terms of GROWTH and MIND SHAR
On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who want a
> zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer, car and
> microwave oven.
Friday night, I was talking with writer John DeChancie. He was
interested in
On Sunday 04 December 2011 19:59:38 Reindl Harald wrote:
> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
>
> and this is why it is wrong to design defaults only having
> smartphones and tabs in mind - ther are people which do much
Am 04.12.2011 19:19, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> this is nonsense
>>
>> the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is
>> permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only
>> using a smar
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald wrote:
> this is nonsense
>
> the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is
> permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only
> using a smartphone or tab which will not happen
> not now, not in 3
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 08:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> > On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> > > Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> > > GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in F
On 12/04/2011 03:34 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Where does one find System info? I can't find it.
Left click on your name in the upper right corner of the screen.
Chose 'Systems Settings'
Chose 'System Info'
Chose 'Graphics'
There you have a toggle for 'Forced Fallback Mode'
To add things to the p
O> Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Just try something more
> complicated, and you'll soon find using a midget gadget just isn't going
> to cut the mustard. Scads of mail, threaded properly, etc. There just
> isn't the screen real estate, to start with. Then try writing a long
> ema
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> > Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> > GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
>
> If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'Sy
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get
something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with m
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get
something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with m
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 12:35 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> > Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and
> > do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.)
> > that were once solely the domain of
> To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to others it is a
$ sed -i 's|Fedora 3|Gnome 3|g' "To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to
others it is a"
Right?
Fedora 3 was released long time ago, If I remember correctly Nov 2004 :)
> road to
> madness. But one can hardly completely blame Fedor
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
> Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and
> do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.)
> that were once solely the domain of PCs.
Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Ju
> sometimes this whole discussions feels like i am the only one who
> is using development-tools, a desktop machine for virtual-machines
> used as wlan access point, router, audio-server and so much other
> this you can NEVER achieve on a tablet
*current* tablet. Half of that you couldn't do on a
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
> > see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
> > impudent children stammering and jumping up and
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 19:04 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote:
> > If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with
> > respectable ideas. "Stop using Fedora" is not one of them. "Linus'
> > opinion doesn't matter" is not on
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 13:48 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
> [...snip...]
>
> >> that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing
> >> laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more
> >
> > I don't know where you got that from, but
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 14:13 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Gnome 2 is dead save for any
> reasonable efforts to fork it (which I doubt will ever occur).
>
>
>
> Before you claim that I take that sentence out of context, it was
> part
> of a paragraph about
> flame-bait, and was ou
On 12/03/2011 02:31 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> However it would still be better to pursue pushing for positive change
> through the bug reporting system since that is where the developers
> certainly will be much more likely to read input than here?
Agreed, as well as joining the Gnome usability
Am 03.12.2011 23:58, schrieb Alan Cox:
>>> Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
>>> style software. That will change.
>>
>> Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
>> spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or l
I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16.
The F16 installer is a trainwreck - crashes if an old disk has a partial
raid array on it, then crashes when you try and report the crash. Try
again and it decides my install options contain a conflict, go back to
fix it and it hangs. It eats 750MB of
> > Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
> > style software. That will change.
>
> Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
> spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's
> available? I know a number of a
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
>>
>> Change for the sake of being different is not progress, it's marketing.
>> Changing
>> the way things work to break the old tools so people will ue YOUR tools
>> instead
>> the 3rd party stuff is how MSFT got big, it is less appealing i
On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
> style software. That will change.
Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's
avai
On 3 December 2011 13:31, Craig White wrote:
> see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
> impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I
> want that toy.
> The real flamebait here was Ed's original post in the thread about your
> beloved Linus
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> Linus is a kernel developer and not a UI developer. Thus, his opinion
>>> does not matter.
>>> Since Linus is not a UI developer, he is only an end user. Thus, the
>>> opinions of end users don't matter.
>>
>> I think his opinion mat
> I think the tablet is a valuable tool, but it doesn't exist in the same space
> as
> a PC.
Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
style software. That will change.
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Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
>>> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
>>> those who felt his dis' o
On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote:
> If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with
> respectable ideas. "Stop using Fedora" is not one of them. "Linus'
> opinion doesn't matter" is not one of them.
Respect on this list is obtained by providing high-qua
Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>
>> On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>
>>>The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
>>> Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
>>> expectations and
On 12/03/2011 02:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> bad developers are throwing all away, starting from scratch, getting
> frustrated after a while because they recognize how much work would
> it be to write all the existing things again
In the case of Gnome 3, I get the impression that they threw out
On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
> As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
> see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
> impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I
> want that toy.
Finally, someone ta
Alan Cox wrote:
[...snip...]
>> that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing
>> laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more
>
> I don't know where you got that from, but worldwide tablet sales hardly
> back that up.
>
> There is one poin
> very convincing and well-grounded in facts. The *majority* of Internet
> connected devices will definitely be in the smartphone and tablet
> category in the next 3 years. That does not mean they will be the *only*
That's very questionable. The majority of internet connected devices
*with a user
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
> > Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
> > expectations and I remarked that you should probably
On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote:
> The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that
> Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your
> expectations and I remarked that you should probably find a
> distribution that does. Craig
"Love it or leave
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 21:29 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks
> > about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your
> > whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 08:40 +, JB wrote:
> Craig White azapple.com> writes:
>
> Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ...
was not my intention to do so... take responsibility for your own
actions rather than blame others
> That user base (technical and non-technical) start
Am 03.12.2011 06:02, schrieb Craig White:
> - that a significant portion of the Gnome code base had aged and needed
> to be re-written was not merely 'Change for the sake of change',
good developers knowing the word "refactoring"
while you do refactoring the behavior MUST NOT change
bad develop
Am 03.12.2011 03:21, schrieb Christopher A. Williams:
> PCs will likely never go away, but to say that they will not be greatly
> impacted by the coming age of new devices is to stick your head in the
> sand and pretend that the change isn't coming. And Linux does very well
> in this coming wave.
Craig White azapple.com> writes:
Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ...
> ...
> Considering...
>
> - that you can have your beloved Gnome 2 for at least another 5 years on
> RHEL 6 (or various rebuilds thereof),
>
But you do not have a workable GNOME DE in Fedora. This fact intr
On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
> - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks
> about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your
> whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post on this list
> before tonight. Are you a longtime Fedora use
On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote:
> - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks
> about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your
> whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post on this list
> before tonight. Are you a longtime Fedora use
On 12/02/2011 08:48 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
>
> In Gnome 2 I had a usable panel widget that showed my sensors CPU
> temperature, a small weather widget, and a power management widget
> that actually showed the watt-hour capacity of my laptop battery, so I
> can observe it degradation, with eve
Craig White writes:
I think his opinion matters as much as anyone else (and I gather that in
the eyes of Gnome developers, not so much).
You know my feelings as I too am a KDE 4 survivor ;-) To make an omelet,
you have to break some eggs. I think there is a core of long time Linux
users who wer
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:40 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 12/02/2011 07:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
> >>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
> >>> a kernel dev
On 12/03/2011 04:10 AM, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
>>> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
>>> t
On 12/02/2011 07:10 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
>>> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
>>> t
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
> > Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
> > a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
> > those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparentl
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 02:50 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> > "Three years ago over 95 percent of the devices connected to the
> > Internet were personal computers. Three years from now that number will
> > probably be less than 20 percent. More than 80 percent of the devices
> > connected to the
On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote:
> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
> those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparently now his receptiveness
> actually matters.
So this is what
Craig White wrote:
>On Fri,
>Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
>a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by
>those who felt his dis' of Gnome 3 or apparently now his receptiveness
>actually matters.
>
Yes of course, old boy. Quit
Am 03.12.2011 02:38, schrieb Craig White:
> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is
> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert
maybe some of the self called ui-experts should take a deep breath
for one or two years and left the users in peace with their next big
On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 20:38 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I'm a long time KDE user and survivor of the move to KDE 4.
>
> Thought some of you may be interested in the view point of Linus
>
> "Hey, with gnome-tweak-tool and the dock extension, gnome-3.2 is
> starting to look almost usable.
>
>
I'm a long time KDE user and survivor of the move to KDE 4.
Thought some of you may be interested in the view point of Linus
"Hey, with gnome-tweak-tool and the dock extension, gnome-3.2 is
starting to look almost usable.
Now I just hope those things become part of the standard gnome shell
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