On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Misha Shnurapet
<shnura...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" <mr...@courier-mta.com>:
>>  It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
>>  major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
>>  functional replacements
>
> There is no arguing that the new GNOME 3 is a significant change. But what 
> you had with GNOME 2 was a result of about a decade of development. You want 
> the same user experience, the same functionality today while it takes months 
> to port all the stuff that you may not even know is to stay in GNOME. I 
> wonder, when the GNOME 2 came out, was it something largely accepted.
Then this functionality should be ported before it is declared as
release and pushed as a full replacement for current working
environment. Or it could be pushed as experimental spin, while
mainline still keeps with GNOME 2.
>
>>  and every time someone points this out, they're
>>  told that they're too stupid to know what's good for them, and this is The
>>  Better Way.
>
> I think you're exaggerating. Noone from the GNOME project could have actually 
> told you that.
I think he isn't. They actually did say it many times. Not in those
exact words, but that is the general attitude of GNOME3 devs.

>
>>  Gnome 3 came without any kind of a sensors CPU widget.
>
> GNOME 3 is much more extensible than any other previous version of GNOME, it 
> is made to receive many kinds of extensions AND IT WILL.
This looks more like marketing-speech. I haven't yet seen a single
extension that is on par in terms of functionality with what I use in
GNOME2 for years.

>
> 04.12.2011, 03:56, "Bill Davidsen" <david...@tmr.com>:
>> And scrapping all your old computers because they don't have magic video
>> cards for visual cruft is not in the cards.
>
> Old hardware receives the classic user experience in the form of fallback 
> mode. But if you want the exact GNOME 2 with no option to compromise, the 
> attitude you may receive may simply become your payback.
Marketing speech again. In GNOME 3.0 fallback mode was a joke. In 3.2
it is really closer to GNOME 2, though.
>
> 04.12.2011, 00:26, "Scott Doty" <sc...@ponzo.net>:
>>  ...and I daresay any such _Linux_ distribution won't go very far, when
>>  its fearless leader has such a low opinion of _Linus_.
>
> I absolutely undrestand that you like Linus. But don't you forget that Linus 
> is a long time KDE user, and that's a different view on user interface and 
> usability. We love GNOME for being GNOME unless switch DE easily and stop 
> complaining. Knowing that Linus likes to troll both developers and users from 
> time to time, it's funny to see the adherents of ye olde GNOME coming up with 
> the quotes to support their point of view, especially when those are rather 
> positive.

This is not a matter of like or dislike. I don't know him personally
to like or dislike him, but he looks like a very sensible person and
this is what makes his opinions valuable.
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