On 05/10/2023 01:51 PM, Tim via users wrote:
"Message rejected. Trim out the content that doesn't*need* to be
quoted in your reply and try again. See following link for further
explanation..."
Adding "including all boilerplate" might not be a bad idea, as well as
telling us who actually pai
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 09:58 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> Is there a way to moderate mail for boilerplate quoting?
I kinda like the idea. But think it ought to be auto-reject, rather
than inundate the moderator.
"Message rejected. Trim out the content that doesn't *need* to be
quoted in your
On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 04:06:36PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> I submitted:
>
> https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible/pull-request/1431
>
> If you know of folks who should be tagged on that for review
> Kevin, please feel free to add them.
>
> Hopefully this can be one less item on your T
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 12:52 PM Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 May 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >> On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> >>> (trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
> >>> messages only).
> >>
> >> This should always be done
On 05/10/2023 10:47 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
While I'd be fine with that, I don't know if it would work
for everyone and am not intending to jump into that fire
today. ;)
As I wrote earlier, I'm on another list that does exactly that. Those
who want or need to use that list learn to live wit
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 9 May 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>>> (trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
>>> messages only).
>>
>> This should always be done so that readers don't have to plow through
>> dozens of lines from var
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 18:48 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> The users list maintains a maximum message length of 60
>> kilobytes; other Fedora lists may have similar length-limits.
>> Remember that thousands of copies of your message will exist
>> in m
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 09:37 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/10/2023 08:58 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > Rather often it isn't.
> > I even see boilerplate quoted.
> > Is there a way to moderate mail for boilerplate quoting?
>
> Even worse, multiple copies of boilerplate quoted. And, as far as
> H
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:37 AM Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> On 05/10/2023 08:58 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > Rather often it isn't.
> > I even see boilerplate quoted.
> > Is there a way to moderate mail for boilerplate quoting?
>
> Even worse, multiple copies of boilerplate quoted. And, as far as HTM
On 05/10/2023 08:58 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
Rather often it isn't.
I even see boilerplate quoted.
Is there a way to moderate mail for boilerplate quoting?
Even worse, multiple copies of boilerplate quoted. And, as far as HTML
goes, I'm also on a mailing list that removes it, leaving only
On Tue, 9 May 2023, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
(trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
messages only).
This should always be done so that readers don't have to plow through dozens
of lines from various messages looking for the relevant b
On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 18:48 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> The users list maintains a maximum message length of 60
> kilobytes; other Fedora lists may have similar length-limits.
> Remember that thousands of copies of your message will exist
> in mailboxes -- please keep your mess
On 05/09/2023 09:35 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
(trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
messages only).
This should always be done so that readers don't have to
plow through dozens of lines from various messages lookin
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> (trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
>> messages only).
>
> This should always be done so that readers don't have to
> plow through dozens of lines from various messages looking
> for the relevant bits.
That is p
On 05/09/2023 04:48 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
(trim the quoted text down to the most recent/relevant
messages only).
This should always be done so that readers don't have to plow through
dozens of lines from various messages looking for the relevant bits.
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 3:35 PM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> I think it would be wise to send a unified message. Don't say one
> thing on the Mailing List Guidelines and another in mail messages. Say
> the same thing in both places.
Yeah, consistency is definitely a good thing,
On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 09:27 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Yeah. Perhaps 100k would be better?
> I think that would pass more of these and 100k isn't nearly as bad as
> it
> used to be.
>
100kb isn't just about bandwidth. Some of us keep a permanent archive
of the list traffic, mainly because it's m
On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 3:35 PM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> [...]
> I'll try to come up with something there. If I forget,
> anyone feel free to beat me to it or suggest some changes as
> a reminder. There's two place which need adjusting, I
> believe: Keep it Short and No Attachment (which should ha
I wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> Yeah, I agree... I don't have time to work on this right now, but can
>> add it to my list. Or if you want to submit a PR:
>> https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/ansible
>>
>> There are some lists where we do pass large emails through sometimes.
>> For example the devel
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 08:28:30PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> ...snip...
>>
>> That could save some time in moderation and make things
>> clearer for list members.
>
> Yeah, I agree... I don't have time to work on this right now, but can
> add it to my list. Or if you wan
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 08:28:30PM -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
...snip...
>
> That could save some time in moderation and make things
> clearer for list members.
Yeah, I agree... I don't have time to work on this right now, but can
add it to my list. Or if you want to submit a PR:
https://pagure
On Wed, 2023-05-10 at 00:30 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Tim:
> > > Huh? Aren't we using open-source software? Can't we change
> > > messages
> > > at all?
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
> > Not all of us who admin or moderate lists have any access to the
> > server
> > that's running the list manage
Tim:
>> Huh? Aren't we using open-source software? Can't we change messages
>> at all?
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Not all of us who admin or moderate lists have any access to the server
> that's running the list management software. I know I certainly don't.
> I can only use a web-based interface.
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 20:28 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> I hesitate to suggest increasing the maximum size as all
> that does is ensure we'll have this same conversation when
> folks wonder why they can't send messages larger than 100k
> (or whatever size) to the list). But if 60k really is too
On Tue, 2023-05-09 at 18:17 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 22:39 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I don't believe it's possible. It would certainly be a welcome
> > addition, as would be a way for the admin to edit the canned
> > rejection
> > message, which currently they
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 22:39 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I don't believe it's possible. It would certainly be a welcome
> addition, as would be a way for the admin to edit the canned rejection
> message, which currently they can't do (they can edit the message
> before sending it, just not t
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:39:39PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 12:50 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
I just send the canned response which you can configure in
the Mailman settings (I moderate the Evolution list).
Hasn't failed me yet,
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 10:39:39PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 12:50 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > > I just send the canned response which you can configure in
> > > the Mailman settings (I moderate the Evolution list).
> > > Hasn't failed me yet, though having it h
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 12:50 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > I just send the canned response which you can configure in
> > the Mailman settings (I moderate the Evolution list).
> > Hasn't failed me yet, though having it happen
> > automatically would be nice.
>
> I think it would be ideal to swit
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 12:38 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > I just send the canned response which you can configure in the
> > Mailman
> > settings (I moderate the Evolution list). Hasn't failed me yet,
> > though
> > having it happen automatically would be nice.
>
> The canned response says the
Dorian ROSSE composed on 2023-05-08 15:15 (UTC):
> Few of answer making
Please have English speaking friend translate your Fedora problem.
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based on faith, not based on science.
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On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> George N. White III wrote:
> > Fedora provides:
> >
> > NAME
> >fpaste - A cli frontend for the
> >paste.fedoraproject.org pastebin
> >
> > SYNOPSIS
> >fpaste [OPTION]... [FILE]...
> >
> > DESCRIPTION
> >It i
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 09:14 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Monitor the queue, and release valid messages.
>>>
>>> What makes you think Kevin isn't doing that?
>>
>> I'll be clear: I do do th
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 09:14 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Monitor the queue, and release valid messages.
> > >
> > > What makes you think Kevin isn't
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 09:14 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > >
> > > Monitor the queue, and release valid messages.
> >
> > What makes you think Kevin isn't doing that?
>
> I'll be clear: I do do that.
>
> Messages larger that
On Mon, May 08, 2023 at 05:07:18PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> > Monitor the queue, and release valid messages.
>
> What makes you think Kevin isn't doing that?
I'll be clear: I do do that.
Messages larger that 60k are held and I don't release them, as they are
not valid. Instead f
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 12:07 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 11:02 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:52:35AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zu
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 11:02 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:52:35AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Those pastes expire after 24 hou
users
Subject: Re: Messages held for moderation.
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:52:35AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > >
> > > Those pastes expire after 24
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 10:53 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:52:35AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > >
> > > Those pastes expire after 24 hours -- at most. Anyone who
> > > doesn't read the thread within that time won
On Fri, May 05, 2023 at 09:52:35AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
> >
> > Those pastes expire after 24 hours -- at most. Anyone who
> > doesn't read the thread within that time won't be able to
> > see the context. I consider that a strong rea
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:37 AM Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> George N. White III wrote:
> > Fedora provides:
> >
> > NAME
> >fpaste - A cli frontend for the
> >paste.fedoraproject.org pastebin
> >
> > SYNOPSIS
> >fpaste [OPTION]... [FILE]...
> >
> > DESCRIPTION
> >It i
On Fri, 2023-05-05 at 08:37 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> George N. White III wrote:
> > Fedora provides:
> >
> > NAME
> > fpaste - A cli frontend for the
> > paste.fedoraproject.org pastebin
> >
> > SYNOPSIS
> > fpaste [OPTION]... [FILE]...
> >
> > DESCRIPTION
> > I
George N. White III wrote:
> Fedora provides:
>
> NAME
>fpaste - A cli frontend for the
>paste.fedoraproject.org pastebin
>
> SYNOPSIS
>fpaste [OPTION]... [FILE]...
>
> DESCRIPTION
>It is often useful to be able to easily paste
>text to the Fedora Paste
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 10:02 PM Jonathan Ryshpan
wrote:
> I guess a message of more than about 30 Kbytes of text should not be
> expected to go through. In the future I will save long files to Google Docs
> and send a link. Bother!
>
Fedora provides:
NAME
fpaste - A cli frontend for the
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I see; the headers to your last message amount to about 10 Kbytes. But I
> would have expected that even with headers, a message of about 44 Kbytes
> would be under 60 Kbytes. I already trimmed the text size down from
> about 53 Kbytes to abpit 44 Kbytes.
If you're measur
On Thu, 2023-05-04 at 17:42 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > I have two messages held for moderation, each reported with the
> > following message. One of them is 53,454 bytes, the other is 44,018
> > bytes. What's going on?
> >
> >
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I have two messages held for moderation, each reported with the
> following message. One of them is 53,454 bytes, the other is 44,018
> bytes. What's going on?
>
> I would not normally trouble the list about this, but they have been
> pending
On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 12:59:14PM -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> I have two messages held for moderation, each reported with the
> following message. One of them is 53,454 bytes, the other is 44,018
> bytes. What's going on?
With headers and overhead, mailman is seeing them a
I have two messages held for moderation, each reported with the
following message. One of them is 53,454 bytes, the other is 44,018
bytes. What's going on?
I would not normally trouble the list about this, but they have been
pending for two days and there seems to be no way to reac
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