Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 08:15:15PM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > > [1] I stopped at F20 as I wanted to have at least one computer with > > pdftk on it. > > Btw, I have packaged stapler and PyPDF2 for my personal use. Am very > happy with them. In fact, I feel that stapler is a bit better

Re: How to keep up to date users with distributions way past EOL (Was Re: Biting the bullet?)

2015-05-11 Thread Joe Zeff
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How to keep up to date users with distributions way past EOL (Was Re: Biting the bullet?)

2015-05-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:20:15 +0930 Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 14:39 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > why not at EOL, simply make the updates use fedup or equivalent move > > to the next Fedora. THis can not be that difficult to set up. > > That would really have to be with the user's con

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 12:28 -0700, stan wrote: > What I'd really like to see is a morph of anaconda that was started as > an executable from a running version of Fedora, pointed at the new > boot and root partitions, and cloned the currently running version as > closely as possible, while the curre

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 14:39 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > why not at EOL, simply make the updates use fedup or equivalent move > to the next Fedora. THis can not be that difficult to set up. That would really have to be with the user's consent. In some cases, an upgrade would render the user's c

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: > I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp > the nettle, screw my courage to the sticking place and upgrade my > Fedora version. > > I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. But >

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> > Footnotes: > > [1] I stopped at F20 as I wanted to have at least one computer with > pdftk on it. Btw, I have packaged stapler and PyPDF2 for my personal use. Am very happy with them. In fact, I feel that stapler is a bit better than pdftk for me. Unfortunately, the name stapler confli

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Suvayu Ali
Since everyone else is chiming in ... On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 02:55:35PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 05/11/2015 10:16 AM, Tethys wrote: > >On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > The problem is that newer versions tend to break everything, which > makes for a suck

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/11/2015 10:16 AM, Tethys wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: The problem is that newer versions tend to break everything, which makes for a sucky end user experience. I've been doing this since Red Hat 3.0.3 and up, so it's not as if this is all new to me. Wel

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Fred Smith
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 06:16:03PM +0100, Tethys wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > >>> The problem is that newer versions tend to break everything, which > >>> makes for a sucky end user experience. I've been doing this since Red > >>> Hat 3.0.3 and up, so it's n

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon, 11 May 2015 12:28:25 -0700 stan wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2015 17:13:21 +1000 > Roger wrote: > > > I generally do not upgrade but install new. > > I run 2 partitions on my hd, one has the previous version and the > > other the new install. > > I then install latest versions of the apps I

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread stan
On Mon, 11 May 2015 17:13:21 +1000 Roger wrote: > I generally do not upgrade but install new. > I run 2 partitions on my hd, one has the previous version and the > other the new install. > I then install latest versions of the apps I need then copy my > working files over to the new install. > T

Re: mount local folder boxes

2015-05-11 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/10/2015 01:40 PM, William Biggs wrote: I would like to know if and how to mount local folders in boxes so the virtual boxes can read and write to the folders ? Not sure what you mean. If you are talking about a host machine with multiple virtual machines under it, you could have the host

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Tethys
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> The problem is that newer versions tend to break everything, which >>> makes for a sucky end user experience. I've been doing this since Red >>> Hat 3.0.3 and up, so it's not as if this is all new to me. > > Well, I guess you are aware th

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/11/2015 06:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Tethys wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Not to be snarky, but if upgrading terrifies you then perhaps Fedora is not the right distro for your needs. Regular updating is par

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-11 Thread Doug
On 05/11/2015 07:33 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: /snip/ But I haven't actually solved my problem. /snip/ I've continued to try to get my SilverCrest WiFi extender working (model SWR 300 a1, from Lidl). (Actually, I've asked in a few places about this, and never heard from anyone who has it wor

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread jd1008
On 05/11/2015 12:45 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: On 2015-05-11 06:08, Rolf Turner wrote: I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp the nettle, screw my courage to the sticking place and upgrade my Fedora version. I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of cou

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 16:33 +0100, Tethys wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > Not to be snarky, but if upgrading terrifies you then perhaps Fedora is > > not the right distro for your needs. Regular updating is part of the > > Fedora mindset. The system i

Re: dnf metalink issue: Fedora Updates repo

2015-05-11 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Kevin Fenzi" > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2015 5:57:58 PM > Subject: Re: dnf metalink issue: Fedora Updates repo > > There's an issue with the f20 updates repo metalink in mirrormanager. > > We were hoping to have it fixed up

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Tethys
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Not to be snarky, but if upgrading terrifies you then perhaps Fedora is > not the right distro for your needs. Regular updating is part of the > Fedora mindset. The system is designed to be updated at least once a > year. The problem

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:08:23PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > Given that the answer to my preliminary question is "No", can anyone > be so kind as to provide me with a *recipe* for upgrading, expressed > in simple-minded terms that I can understand? Something of the > form: This document exists

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:08:23PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. > But everything I have seen on this list with respect to upgrading > terrifies me. Disasters seem to lurk everywhere and I haven't the > skills to cope with disasters

Re: F20: YUM - failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates

2015-05-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 11 May 2015 08:57:59 +0200 "M. Fioretti" wrote: > On 2015-05-10 17:58, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > There's an issue with the f20 updates repo metalink in > > mirrormanager. > > > > We were hoping to have it fixed up quickly, but it's of course > > proving more difficult than it seems at first

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 11.05.2015, Rolf Turner wrote: > I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. But > everything I have seen on this list with respect to upgrading terrifies me. > Disasters seem to lurk everywhere and I haven't the skills to cope with > disasters. Fedora upgrade mostly w

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 11.05.2015, Rolf Turner wrote: > The seeming necessity for upgrading arises from a pressing need to upgrade > "R" to version 3.2.0. When I try to build this version I get a load of > error messages (basically coming from gcc I think) like unto: > > >connections.o: In function `gzcon_write':

Re: [R] [R-sig-Fedora] Building R-3.2.0 from source.

2015-05-11 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Rolf, Just curious, but why do you use F17? The disasters that you anticipate may happen will be more and more likely the longer you wait to upgrade to a new F. (And, with no upgrades of any kind, aren't you on line for a greater disaster: for instance, you are not patched for the severe openss

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread c p
Would it be possible to build a static "R" binary on a more recent Fedora distribution then use binary the binary on your Fedora 17 machine(s)? On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: > > I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp > the nettle, screw

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-11 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 13:33 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > The manual says the device has IP address 192.168.10.1, > but as far as I can see you have to have a machine > running 192.168.1.something to see the device's web-page? > I know 192.168.10.* is an allowed address, > but is it so popular tha

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-11 12:43, Timothy Murphy wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: Why not backup everything, then completely ERASE the old installation, installing over it the current version from SCRATCH, then configure it to work as you need? Seriously. Wouldn't it be a much more reliable path, and consume mu

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-11 Thread Timothy Murphy
g wrote: >> Actually, I already did that - I got two much longer arms from >> Amazon, which had a considerable effect. > > glad to have seen you cured problem. > while re-indexing my firefox bookmarks, i ran across an interesting > some interesting bookmarks tagged 'wifi antennas' that was still

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 04:08:23PM +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > > The seeming necessity for upgrading arises from a pressing need to upgrade > "R" to version 3.2.0. When I try to build this version I get a load of > error messages (basically coming from gcc I think) like unto: > > >connections.o:

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Timothy Murphy
M. Fioretti wrote: > Why not backup everything, > then completely ERASE the old installation, installing over it > the current version from SCRATCH, then configure it to work as you need? > > Seriously. Wouldn't it be a much more reliable path, and consume much > less > time in the end? Briefly,

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2015-05-11 at 16:08 +1200, Rolf Turner wrote: > I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. > But everything I have seen on this list with respect to upgrading > terrifies me. Disasters seem to lurk everywhere and I haven't the > skills to cope with disasters. Nor

Re: [R] [R-sig-Fedora] Building R-3.2.0 from source.

2015-05-11 Thread Tom Callaway
On 05/11/2015 07:45 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thanks, Tom, for your efforts in maintaining R for Fedora. I know from > personal experience the good work that you do and how responsive you are to > requests. Thank you for your email! It is always great to know that people are using the packages

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-11 09:04, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 05/11/2015 08:45 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: ... Seriously. Wouldn't it be a much more reliable path, and consume much less time in the end? I don't think, these questions can be answered in "broad generality". Indeed. That's why I said "in a situati

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Roger
On 11/05/15 16:45, M. Fioretti wrote: On 2015-05-11 06:08, Rolf Turner wrote: I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp the nettle, screw my courage to the sticking place and upgrade my Fedora version. I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course ant

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/11/2015 08:45 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: On 2015-05-11 06:08, Rolf Turner wrote: I have finally reached a stage where I may have to bite the bullet, grasp the nettle, screw my courage to the sticking place and upgrade my Fedora version. I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of cours