Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
show you how they might be overcome. > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:53:08 -0700 > From: Bob Sneidar > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <8b8ff4b1-1554-4813-9f68-47b55ee83...@twft.com> > Content-Type: text/pla

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Mick Collins
Argue for your limitations and, indeed, they are yours. What obstacles, Bob?  You show me true obstacles, not just bullshit, and I'll show you how they might be overcome. Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:53:08 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Bob Sneidar
Rick Santorum is a Livecode programmer?? heh heh. But seriously, try actually coming up with some suggestions at least about how to overcome the obstacles. Otherwise, I declare your cry of "bullshit" to be the true "bullshit" that all who have no answers cry when they are confronted with the dif

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Timothy Miller
A bit further off topic... I used to donate my spare clock cycles to seti at home. Fun at first. I stopped for two reasons. One -- If anyone finds ET's phone number, it will cause global pandemonium. The human race isn't ready for this discovery. Two -- If I find ET's phone number and I become

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Jim Hurley
7 Mar 2012 12:22:20 -0700 >> From: Richard Gaskin >> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts >> Message-ID: <4f72136c.6060...@fourthworld.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Mick Collins
n is found at: http://wilstar.com/theories.htm Cheers, Roger On Mar 27, 2012, at 5:43 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:20 -0700 From: Richard Gaskin To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-28 Thread Roger Guay
Sigh . . . if only a mere 10% of this discussion could have been relevant to the technical merits of my SETIproblem stack. I feel like my thread has been hijacked! Thanks and cheers, Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Mick Collins
a quotation) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.  I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here. Message: 9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:42:02 -0700 From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Bob Sneidar
Good point Richard. I guess in my mind any species would be faced with the same kind of problems, but it gets the point across better if I put humans in the alien's shoes for a bit. :-) (That is another good point: Do aliens wear shoes?) Bob On Mar 27, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: ... > Now then to those that remain, consider that it's not just a matter > of having the technology. We also have to have the resources, the > time to build such a machine... Bob, it seems you and the others are have two very different conversations: Here you're talking abou

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Bob Sneidar
It's easy to dismiss my skepticism, because I have only gotten started on the long list of logistical problems we would have to overcome to pull this off. For the sake of those for whom it would be a burden to read such long dissertations from me, I beg you to hit the delete button and move alon

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Dave Cragg
On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:19, Richmond wrote: > Of course there is a school of thought that there isn't life anywhere, just > an enormous great illusion being experienced by > nothing. Which for some reason made me remember this (from Monty Python): "The universe itself keeps on expanding and expan

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Richmond
On 03/27/2012 11:10 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: The weather is so nice here, it's hard to resist a good off-topic blether (discussion). On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:47, Roger Guay wrote: given the vastness of our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is logical to assume a

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Dave Cragg
The weather is so nice here, it's hard to resist a good off-topic blether (discussion). On 26 Mar 2012, at 18:47, Roger Guay wrote: > given the vastness of our universe and the number of stars contained in it, > many argue that it is logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species > popul

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: > It's sobering to think someone so smart as Orville Wright could > get the two confused. Is it theoretically possible to travel > to another planet? Sure! Is it practically possible? Not a chance. > The difference between what is true and what is possible. Respectfully, Bob,

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Bob Earp
p White Rock, British Columbia. > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:42:02 -0700 > From: Bob Sneidar > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Orville was

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Bob Sneidar
> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:28:29 -0700 >> From: Bob Sneidar >> To: How to use LiveCode >> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts >> Message-ID: <2b937175-9284-4c54-9232-ac35c1bdd...@twft.com> >> Content-Type:

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-27 Thread Mick Collins
eidar To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts Message-ID: <2b937175-9284-4c54-9232-ac35c1bdd...@twft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The assumptions in discussions like these are extremely numerous, approaching the very number of stars them

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Michael Kann
“Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is quite staggering”    Buckminster Fuller ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and man

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Bob Sneidar
The leap from cave to field is not even comparable to the leap from terrestrial to extra-terrestrial. You can always get back to the cave from the field in time for supper. :-) Bob On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Pete wrote: > All I can say, Bob, is if the great thinkers, scientists, and philosp

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Pete
All I can say, Bob, is if the great thinkers, scientists, and philospohers of the years had that attitude, we'd still be living in caves. Pete On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > This discussion can happen at all because of the human mind's inability to > focus on and balance

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Pete
ecode > > Roger > > > On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:28 -0700 > > From: Pete > > To: How to use LiveCode > > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calli

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Roger Guay
I would love to get you started on the missing pieces of Drake's. But, perhaps off list?? Roger On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > Oh, and don't get me started on the missing pieces of Drake's. ___ use-live

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Roger Guay
ists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:28:29 -0700 > From: Bob Sneidar > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > Message-ID: <2b937175-9284-4c54-9232-ac35c1bdd...@twft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Roger Guay
: > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:01:28 -0700 > From: Pete > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Roger, > I'd love to take a look at your st

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Bob Sneidar
vast size of our galaxy and the >>> number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature >>> of our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation? >>> >>> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this na

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Tim Jones
Roger, Tom and all - Sorry that everyone took my comments so seriously. That's why I mentioned that they were "Sci-Fi" ideas. I was simply playing devil's advocate as my advisor did to me on many more than one occasion and poking a bit of fun at SETI. Personally, I believe that Earth is backw

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Pete
st size of our galaxy and the > number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature > of our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation? > >> > >> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature > off-

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Roger Guay
: https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode Cheers, Roger On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:17:53 -0700 > From: Mark Wieder > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject:

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-26 Thread Roger Guay
> >> >> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: >> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700 >>> From: Tim Jones >>> To: How to use LiveCode >>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SE

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts.

2012-03-25 Thread Mark Wieder
Roger- Sunday, March 25, 2012, 11:08:25 AM, you wrote: > Sorry for your difficulty, Al. The best I seem to be able to do > is to provide SETIproblem in Livecode 5.0.2. I can't find > StackRunner on Ken's site and the one I have does not open my stack. Use the "Save As" menuItem from the File men

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts.

2012-03-25 Thread Roger Guay
Sorry for your difficulty, Al. The best I seem to be able to do is to provide SETIproblem in Livecode 5.0.2. I can't find StackRunner on Ken's site and the one I have does not open my stack. I can't even open my stack in version 4.6.3 of Livecode! Do you have any other suggestions? My stack is

Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts

2012-03-24 Thread Tim Jones
Ready to defend your thesis? Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis to your points below - How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the radio stage of any societies is? How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account, that humans aren't th