Tom,
Please forgive me (especially Tim) for apparently sounding argumentative. Not
my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of our
universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is logical
to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire galaxy. And
given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to assume these alien
civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously (criterion #1)
The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of these
civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales. I'm sure
that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not seen it
discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in the
simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL technologies
have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to adjust it over a very
long range (albeit short relative to the vast time scales of our galaxy) to
your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss this at length, but it might
be best to do so off-list??
My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome. These
criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers involved. There
are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics involved, and a few
references are included in the notes of the simulation. For those interested I
would would start with the SETI project itself at.
http://www.seti.org/
And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically:
http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/seti/drake_equation.html
Thanks and cheers,
Roger Guay
On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:54:05 -0400
> From: Thomas McGrath III <[email protected]>
> To: How to use LiveCode <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49
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> I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a
> challenge (which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me,
> coming up with two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would
> love to see more on the validity of those two criteria, but what really
> interested me was how Roger translated those to an interesting LC project.
> Very cool. I would love to hear more about that.
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> [email protected]
>
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making
>> assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the
>> number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature of
>> our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation?
>>
>> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature
>> off-list.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700
>>> From: Tim Jones <[email protected]>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts
>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>>>
>>> Ready to defend your thesis? Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi antithesis
>>> to your points below -
>>>
>>> How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the
>>> radio stage of any societies is?
>>>
>>> How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into account,
>>> that humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the nearby
>>> galaxy?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico
>>>> Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, "Where is everybody?" is still
>>>> germane today.
>>>>
>>>> I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two criteria
>>>> relevant to this SETI "problem": 1) The asynchronous evolution of
>>>> intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short
>>>> duration of the radio stage of alien technologies.
>>>>
>>>> You can download this stack at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode
>>>>
>>>> I welcome any feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and cheers,
>>>> Roger Guay
>>>> ___________
>
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