Roger, I'd love to take a look at your stack but when I download it and open it in Livecode, I get an error that it is not a stack. This is with Livecode 5.0.2. Pete
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Roger Guay <i...@mac.com> wrote: > Tom, > > Please forgive me (especially Tim) for apparently sounding argumentative. > Not my intent at all. I was merely trying to say that given the vastness of > our universe and the number of stars contained in it, many argue that it is > logical to assume a multitude of intelligent species populating our entire > galaxy. And given the vast time scale involved, it is also logical to > assume these alien civilizations will not have evolved simultaneously > (criterion #1) > > The second criterion is that the radio active stages of technology of > these civilizations will be short relative to these same vast time scales. > I'm sure that I am not the first to define this criterion, but I have not > seen it discussed before. The validity of this is discussed very briefly in > the simulation notes. Further to this point, I would argue that ALL > technologies have limited durations, and the simulation allows you to > adjust it over a very long range (albeit short relative to the vast time > scales of our galaxy) to your heart's content. I would be happy to discuss > this at length, but it might be best to do so off-list?? > > My simulation starts with these assumptions and explores the outcome. > These criteria are simply derived from the statistics of the numbers > involved. There are many more qualified than I to explain the statistics > involved, and a few references are included in the notes of the simulation. > For those interested I would would start with the SETI project itself at. > > > http://www.seti.org/ > > And, the Drake equation says it all . . . statically: > > > http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/seti/drake_equation.html > > Thanks and cheers, > Roger Guay > > > On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:56 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 20:54:05 -0400 > > From: Thomas McGrath III <mcgra...@mac.com> > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > > Subject: Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 49 > > Message-ID: <02634a04-296a-4fbe-a626-3e7587ff9...@mac.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > > > I didn't take either comment as overly argumentative but more like a > challenge (which we tend to do on this list from time to time). For me, > coming up with two criteria is intriguing and caught my interest. I would > love to see more on the validity of those two criteria, but what really > interested me was how Roger translated those to an interesting LC project. > Very cool. I would love to hear more about that. > > > > -- Tom McGrath III > > http://lazyriver.on-rev.com > > 3mcgr...@comcast.net > > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> > >> I don't pretend to know anything! As for my thesis, I am merely making > assumptions based on statistics and the vast size of our galaxy and the > number of stars it contains. No one has decided anything about the nature > of our species except the religious. BTW, did you look at the simulation? > >> > >> I think it might be best to take any further discussions of this nature > off-list. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Roger > >> > >> > >> On Mar 24, 2012, at 6:03 PM, use-livecode-request@lists.runrev.comwrote: > >> > >>> Message: 9 > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:44:21 -0700 > >>> From: Tim Jones <tolis...@me.com> > >>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > >>> Subject: Re: ANN and OT: Calling All SETI Enthusiasts > >>> Message-ID: <dabd6b02-27fe-40e6-8df5-3144fce87...@me.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >>> > >>> Ready to defend your thesis? Let me toss out two great Sci-Fi > antithesis to your points below - > >>> > >>> How have we determined how long the "relatively short duration" of the > radio stage of any societies is? > >>> > >>> How have we decided, even taking asynchronous development into > account, that humans aren't the most mature and advanced species in the > nearby galaxy? > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> Tim > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Roger Guay wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> The SETI project has been in existence for about 50 years, and Enrico > Fermi's question asked in the 1940's, "Where is everybody?" is still > germane today. > >>>> > >>>> I think I have finally succeded in building a simulation of two > criteria relevant to this SETI "problem": 1) The asynchronous evolution of > intelligence throughout the galaxy couple with 2) the relatively short > duration of the radio stage of alien technologies. > >>>> > >>>> You can download this stack at: > >>>> > >>>> > https://idisk.mac.com/irog//Public/SETIproblem.livecode > >>>> > >>>> I welcome any feedback. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks and cheers, > >>>> Roger Guay > >>>> ___________ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > -- Pete Molly's Revenge <http://www.mollysrevenge.com> _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
