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Because Kevin’s response to me in this exact scenario where I develop apps myself with I license I pay for myself, but employees of the company I work for use the app for business purposes, was that I have to pay for each user that uses my app. It is a commercial app because it is used in the wo

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According to the CEO of Livecode, my scenario DOES qualify as a commercial app, hence my consternation. I will have to pay 3 times what I currently pay now for a license just to maintain status quo, and expanding the number of users of my app is completely out of the question since I pay for the

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A Freeware app can have commercial use and bound via its EULA. Terms of use, copyright, disclaimers etc etc. Smart Televisions have freeware apps with the commercial profit only coming from the televisions sold. The freeware app has commercial purpose but does not generate income alone. defini

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You mean without “Non-Commercial Use only”? No, that would not be better. Why? Because the normal user would not read a license file when such is available. “Made with Livecode - Non-Comercial Use only” shows the user right away, that the app is for “private” use only. Von meinem iPad gesendet

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Would it be better if it just said "Made with LiveCode"? Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 26/07/2024, 12:06, "use-livecode on behalf of Keith Martin via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.run

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Hi Bob, Thanks for posting this. If you ask 10 LiveCode customers what is important to them, you'll get 10 different answers. As an obvious example, I expect that if you were to ask others on this list about mobile, many people would disagree that mobile is less important. I appreciate you don

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> On 26 Jul 2024, at 11:14, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > Free apps will display a LiveCode Create badge throughout the app, and will > have “Made with LiveCode – Non Commercial Use Only” notices you are not > permitted to disable. Thanks for posting this. I'm happy to include

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Colin, I get that the new model is a disappointment and may not work for you. And I'm sorry about that. We are still considering the question you raised about using the platform alongside Power Apps and whether or not there should be any changes to the model at scale for those not using our dat

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Free Software has no EULA, not Commercial. Freeware has EULA and can be Commercial. Example, software has no cost but has Commercial licence. > On 26 Jul 2024, at 11:01, Keith Martin via use-livecode > wrote: > >  >> >> On 26 Jul 2024, at 10:17, Colin Kelly via use-livecode >> wrote: >>

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Hm, how could one offer commercially a free app? If you read the FAQs then it should be clear. Here’s again the part about free apps. “ If you build and ship an app that is completely free, with no commercial benefit to you or to a client you build it for, then the end users of that app are f

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> On 26 Jul 2024, at 10:17, Colin Kelly via use-livecode > wrote: > > The new licenses allow to create free apps as long as they are not used > commercially. Forgive the nit-picking, but my understanding was that the new licenses allow to create apps that are not offered commercially in any w

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Date: Friday, 26 July 2024 at 00:47 To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bob Sneidar Subject: Re: I seem to have missed something But the primary app I developed IS commercial by their definition. Bob S On Jul 25, 2024, at 4:29 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: First of all, it's 3 years

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James, I think it means : > On 26 Jul 2024, at 07:53, James Hale via use-livecode > wrote: > > OR does a “seat” mean anyone using the app created by LC? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, u

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4:55 PM To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: James Hale Subject: Re: I seem to have missed something Terry asked: "What about a lower cost ‘player’ application that can run internal stacks/apps but not create or modify them?” You misunderstand me Terry, I think it is perfectly clear to

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Terry asked: "What about a lower cost ‘player’ application that can run internal stacks/apps but not create or modify them?” You misunderstand me Terry, I think it is perfectly clear to count the use of a stack as a seat given it must use the LC IDE (either desktop or Web.) My confusion is in

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behalf of James At The Hales via use-livecode Date: Friday, 26 July 2024 at 10:38 AM To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Cc: James At The Hales Subject: Re: I seem to have missed something Perhaps it would help if there was a definition of a seat, re licensing. There seems to be confusion in parts

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Perhaps it would help if there was a definition of a seat, re licensing. There seems to be confusion in parts. Making an app and selling it is fine, 5% of sale price per sale. Crystal clear. But, making an app and distributing it for free (via app store of whatever) or within a company is muddle

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On 26/07/2024 00:46, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: But the primary app I developed IS commercial by their definition. Bob S Commercial ?  I guess so. But I don't see that it fits the criteria for "Internal apps"; that category is for apps that have been developed by a company, paying

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But the primary app I developed IS commercial by their definition. Bob S On Jul 25, 2024, at 4:29 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote: First of all, it's 3 years not 2. ;) I am in the same boat regarding the utility apps to make life and jobs of family members and colleagues easier. O

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First of all, it's 3 years not 2. ;) I am in the same boat regarding the utility apps to make life and jobs of family members and colleagues easier. Over the years I've created plenty of them and I am sure some of them need to be maintained in the future. Sometimes I even cannot remember an ap

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Thanks for voicing my thoughts exactly, Bob! Roger > On Jul 25, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > It’s water under the bridge, but in retrospect I think the proper way for > Livecode to have structured their business was to have 3 products: Livecode > Desktop, Livec

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Behalf Of Marty Knapp via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:07 PM To: Use Livecode Cc: Marty Knapp Subject: Re: I seem to have missed something I have a commercial app and we deal with people “sharing” the software with others. Is there a way to account for this? Let’s say one legit

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I have a commercial app and we deal with people “sharing” the software with others. Is there a way to account for this? Let’s say one legit customer shares the software with 2 others and each of those people share with 2 others. Extrapolate that over time and that number could grow quite large.

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Bob - That's a great post. I hope LC is listening! Big problems for many with this new LC licensing. Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Radically Innovative Christian LiveCode Development "PASSION for Elegant, Efficient Code!" https://livecodeconsulting.com/ __

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It’s water under the bridge, but in retrospect I think the proper way for Livecode to have structured their business was to have 3 products: Livecode Desktop, Livecode Mobile and Livecode Web. Each product should have maintained their own revenue stream unbound and unburdened by the other two. A

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I second Graham's comment about apple's requirements for getting an app to work on the iphone are a huge pita. Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science University of California, Santa Barbara > On Jul 25, 2024, at 7:31 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode > wrote: > > 

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I’m in roughly the same position as Bill. Long ago I wrote Livecode apps for sale, but in the last several years I’ve just written a few personal apps, and have more or less stopped work, due mostly to old age. However I don’t like to say I’ve entirely given up as a hobbyist, and I was thinking

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Access to Classic and older builds continues to be included in the Create license. If you move then either we or you can cancel your existing subscription. Existing plugins will continue to run in Classic mode. Some of them may already run in Create, it depends on how tightly they are tied into

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> Le 24 juil. 2024 à 18:53, Kevin Miller via use-livecode > a écrit : > > Free apps remain free. Just buy one seat of either Native/Cloud or Universal > depending on what platforms you want to deploy to. In your scenario, if you > happen to be doing multiple platform development / deployment

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Free apps remain free. Just buy one seat of either Native/Cloud or Universal depending on what platforms you want to deploy to. In your scenario, if you happen to be doing multiple platform development / deployment, it is cheaper. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http:

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Thanks for the link. I have used livecode for years and since retiring, I only create educational, public service apps that I give away, or personal use apps that I use to manage my own needs. In the "Buy Create" page, I don't see any choice that reflects my own situation. Recently, I've spent a

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Too late. Bob S > On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:14 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode > wrote: > > Folks... please don't click that link, its a personally tracked link and will > skew our stats weirdly :) > > The minisite link you want is here: > > https://future.livecode.com/ > > Best Regards,

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Folks... please don't click that link, its a personally tracked link and will skew our stats weirdly :) The minisite link you want is here: https://future.livecode.com/ Best Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 24 Jul 2024, at 16:56, P

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Find Out More > On Jul 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Folks, > I have full lucrsnses for livecode, yet seem to have missed descriptions of > the ne

I seem to have missed something

Folks, I have full lucrsnses for livecode, yet seem to have missed descriptions of the new livecode services that are being discussed. What is the "Create" platform being added? Is there a place I can get info? Thanks, Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science Universit