Re: [OT] How long before..

Thanks Thomas and everyone for your thoughts on this subject. Very interesting to read! I agree with much which has been said. I also agree with the old chestnut, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." For over 20 years, Save As was good enough for all– and now it's not. I don't agree about whole cha

Re: Scaling Gradients

Hi Alejandro: How I would do this -- 1) determine the offsets of all 3 gradient coordinates from the graphic's loc, and 2) rotate the gradient coordinates in alignment with however much the graphic is rotated, keeping in mind offsets from the center. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactil

Re: Scaling Gradients

In that case... Monte Goulding wrote > > Why don't you rotate around the via property > of the gradient. That way it will be right. > it would be a translation and a rotation of these gradient properties. Let's see how that works. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revol

Re: [OT] How long before..

Interesting point of view, Thomas. Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote > > And don't we all at some point think "We know best". > The problem is there are many many people that think > they know best in direct conflict with those of us that > actually do. ;-) > Here is a prophetic video from Edward

Re: Scaling Gradients

> Look what happen when I rotate this graphic > filled with a gradient: > > http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/img/Gradients05.jpg Why don't you rotate around the via property of the gradient. That way it will be right. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application d

Re: Scaling Gradients

Hi Monte, Monte Goulding wrote > > I don't see why you need to do this operation while scaling. > It would appear to be a different use case. If you do need > to rotate and scale at the same time then why not work out > your scaling factor, rotate the points then scale the rect. > Same as Mark's

Re: "No Code Signature Found"

On 7/31/12 10:06 PM, Ueliweb wrote: Hei Jacqueline, Thanks I will try it as soon as I have my Mac work machine at home again. Because installing the certificates and 'trust', sync and verify them needs connection to the ADC Account and that I didn't have at the workstation machine yet - because

Re: Scaling Gradients

Monte- Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 7:05:14 PM, you wrote: > I don't see why you need to do this operation while scaling. It > would appear to be a different use case. If you do need to rotate > and scale at the same time then why not work out your scaling > factor, rotate the points then scale the re

Re: [OT] How long before..

Alejandro- Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 6:41:24 PM, you wrote: > This topic brings me memories of this documentary: > La Obsolescencia Programada Fabricados para no durar > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJT_uxSqNk Thanks. That was great. I didn't know about the East German lightbulb factory or the

Re: [OT] How long before..

Tom- The Story of the Ribbon is online. It's an interesting thing to watch, especially through all the pain of why new Word menu interfaces didn't work, but it still doesn't make it right. https://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbon.aspx?Redirected=true -- -Mark

Re: Jacque's LC error plugin

On 7/31/12 5:42 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/31/12 2:38 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Anyone know where I can download Jacque's excellent error plugin? It's finally on RevOnline now, as "LiveCode Error Lookup". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Softwa

Re: [OT] How long before..

On 7/31/12 9:51 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Sorry for that long email. I didn't really think it was till i just saw it now. Wow…. Don't apologize. It was excellent. Well written and, more important, true. Lion disrupted 30 years of computing habits for much the same reasons. I hate it. -

Re: Jacque's LC error plugin

On 7/31/12 8:46 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: It's easy to roll your own. Here's handy function: Yup. :) I love the open nature of the LiveCode IDE. One advantage of the stack over a single function is that it parses output from both Console (iOS) and Terminal (Android) so that you can deciphe

Re: "No Code Signature Found"

Hei Jacqueline, Thanks I will try it as soon as I have my Mac work machine at home again. Because installing the certificates and 'trust', sync and verify them needs connection to the ADC Account and that I didn't have at the workstation machine yet - because I moved it to country side without in

Re: [OT] How long before..

Sorry for that long email. I didn't really think it was till i just saw it now. Wow…. -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > And don't we all at some point think "We know best". The problem is there are > m

Re: [OT] How long before..

And don't we all at some point think "We know best". The problem is there are many many people that think they know best in direct conflict with those of us that actually do. ;-) I have studied Fitz law for many years (20 plus years) in developing software and systems for people who can not spe

Re: Scaling Gradients

I don't see why you need to do this operation while scaling. It would appear to be a different use case. If you do need to rotate and scale at the same time then why not work out your scaling factor, rotate the points then scale the rect. Same as Mark's idea but no extra graphic created. On 01/

Re: Scaling Gradients

Mark, Alejandro, I think that is pure genius and I hope it works. Very cool idea. Just saying -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi Mark, > > > Mark Wieder wrote >> >> [snip] >> Hmmm. How about creating

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

"It will always be broken if it can't be fixed." >:-\ Sorry. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > My thoughts as well. > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Landman Gay > wrote: > > > > >> It's unrealistic to design any kind of library that needs to rely on > > fixed

Re: Jacque's LC error plugin

It's easy to roll your own. Here's handy function: function expandError tErr -- expands LC runtime error numbers --with explanatory text -- requires sr() repeat for each line e in tErr put item 1 of e into errNbr put item 2 of e into tLineNbr put item 3 of e into

Re: [OT] How long before..

This topic brings me memories of this documentary: La Obsolescencia Programada Fabricados para no durar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chJT_uxSqNk It's true. In our times too many people really believe that they "know best". And they have a title (not the real life experiencies) to prove it. Whe

Re: Scaling Gradients

Hi Mark, Mark Wieder wrote > > [snip] > Hmmm. How about creating the list of points, creating a new invisible > graphic, setting its points to the list, getting its rect, deleting > it, and then setting the rect of your graphic to the new rect, then > setting its points. That should scale the gr

Re: Scaling Gradients

Alejandro- Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 4:55:00 PM, you wrote: > I scale the graphics by setting the points of the polygons, > "set the point of grc id 1345 to tListofPoints" > Probably, you are setting the rect, width, height and location > of these vector graphics, but this would not work for rotat

Re: [OT] How long before..

I think your summary hits the nail on the head. "They think they know best." We are living in times where there is a common thinking that life--at both societal and individual levels--should be engineered by experts. I don't want to get caught up in that. When I reflect on my own designs I h

Re: [OT] How long before..

That's good to know. Preview uses command-shift-S to Duplicate the current document, but sure enough, holding down option as well changes it from Duplicate to Save As… On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I haven't upgraded yet but I was just reading about this. The hue and c

Re: Scaling Gradients

Hi Scott, Scott Rossi wrote > > Maybe the answer depends on how you're scaling the graphic. > I scale graphics that contain gradients all the time and the > gradient scales with the graphic. > FWIW, the UI components in tmControl are all vector-based controls, > with gradients -- no images (exce

Re: [OT] How long before..

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > So, I'm wondering... how long before we quit upgrading everything and start > sticking to a single legacy OS and/or programs? > I was pretty happy using Snow Leopard but Apple decided that you could only ship Mac and iOS software to their

Re: [OT] How long before..

I like this thread (and will try to keep opinions short...). IMO, long term, I don't think the OS developers care about legacy/power users -- as you say, they think they know best. Many people have carelessly tossed around some variation of the Gretsky quote "Don't skate to where the puck is, ska

Re: Scripting the standalone build--data and build

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > I don't think I've ever seen the Test button enabled - is it a mobile > feature? > If you set the standalone applications settings to build for iOS or Android and your test target to a simulator or device, that button will be enabled! =) C

Re: [OT] How long before..

The future is progressive thinking. They are working diligently at making things more intuitive and you don't get there without problems. The more they work at it the better it will be and these are minor problems considering what they will accomplish to make things easier & quicker in the next f

Re: Scripting the standalone build--data and build

I don't think I've ever seen the Test button enabled - is it a mobile feature? Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hi, > > Not only that but if you want to mimic the "test" button, you use: > >revIDEDeployAction > > =) > > On Tu

Re: [OT] How long before..

I know EXACTLY how you feel. In Microsoft's case, they are obligated by contract to put out a new version of everything they support with their Software Assurance program. Imagine charging x for 3 years of software assurance, and then not producing a major upgrade in that time. The outcry would

Re: [OT] How long before..

On 7/31/12 5:39 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I was talking with Chris about this base on: 1) Mountain Lion ... there's still no "Save As.." I haven't upgraded yet but I was just reading about this. The hue and cry was so loud that Apple put "save as" back in, carefully hidden so that those po

Re: Jacque's LC error plugin

Great. Thanks! On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:42 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 7/31/12 2:38 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: >> Anyone know where I can download Jacque's excellent error plugin? I'm >> talking about the one where you can feed it LiveCode error numbers >> and have it return the English equiv

Re: "No Code Signature Found"

On 7/31/12 2:54 PM, Ueliweb wrote: Yes it is - Have just iOS, Mac/Win and if I try older LC Versions (GoldBundle) it it the same ! ? ! I can't think of anything you haven't already tried, but I'm pretty sure the problem is in the profiles. Maybe you should just start over. Delete everything

Re: [OT] How long before..

> At what point > do the OS'es get so much in the users way that they're no longer good for > us legacy power users? Apple won't give us the option if we want to deploy to the latest devices we will need the latest desktop. -- M E R Goulding Software development services Bespoke application dev

Re: Jacque's LC error plugin

On 7/31/12 2:38 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Anyone know where I can download Jacque's excellent error plugin? I'm talking about the one where you can feed it LiveCode error numbers and have it return the English equivalent of those errors. :-) I saw her use it in one of the videos from RevLive but

[OT] How long before..

I was talking with Chris about this base on: 1) Mountain Lion now tries to do automatic tasks, like download stuff when the lid is closed and you're on battery power, thus killing your battery without you knowing. And now with Gatekeeper complaining about anything you try and install-- and wt–, iC

Re: Scaling Gradients

Hi Alejandro: Maybe the answer depends on how you're scaling the graphic.  I scale graphics that contain gradients all the time and the gradient scales with the graphic. FWIW, the UI components in tmControl are all vector-based controls, with gradients -- no images (except for icons). Regards,

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

My thoughts as well. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > >> It's unrealistic to design any kind of library that needs to rely on > fixed resolutions or dimensions. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

Re: "No Code Signature Found"

Yes it is - Have just iOS, Mac/Win and if I try older LC Versions (GoldBundle) it it the same ! ? ! 2012/7/31 J. Landman Gay : > On 7/31/12 12:18 AM, Ueliweb wrote: >> >> Thanks Randy >> >> I doesen't change any setting. >> But I make a check anyway its the same. >> And when I try with other p

Jacque's LC error plugin

Anyone know where I can download Jacque's excellent error plugin? I'm talking about the one where you can feed it LiveCode error numbers and have it return the English equivalent of those errors. :-) I saw her use it in one of the videos from RevLive but I missed the download link (if there is o

Scaling Gradients

Hi all, In principle, I posted this message in the message thread: "The Screen Density Conundrum" but, in retrospective, there is more probabiblity that itwould get an answer, if I posted it in a new thread... Ideally, we should be able to use scalable vectors for the Interface. Icons, backgrou

Re: How Do I Change My Main On-Rev Domain Name

You may not need to change it, depending on your situation. You can always create an alias wherever you host your DNS, in which case both names would work. Bob On Jul 31, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Is it possible to change my main on-rev domain name? If so

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

My tough too ;) Le 31 juil. 2012 à 18:12, Bob Sneidar a écrit : > I have to think that the devs at RR have been mulling over how to address > this for the future. The problem will only get worse. It doesn't make sense > for them to leave this in the hands of the end developers to deal with. >

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

I have to think that the devs at RR have been mulling over how to address this for the future. The problem will only get worse. It doesn't make sense for them to leave this in the hands of the end developers to deal with. I think that a coordinate system that is independent of density or resolu

Re: "No Code Signature Found"

On 7/31/12 12:18 AM, Ueliweb wrote: Thanks Randy I doesen't change any setting. But I make a check anyway its the same. And when I try with other profils/ certificates it does not change. Its at the moment every LC Project that I built again has the same Problem. It looks that the Problem is n

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

Charles, I really like that plugin!!! Thanks for it. Cheers andre On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: > I just updated my ResTool plugin. > http://buchwald.ca/lc/ResTool.livecode.zip > If you open the reference stack (via the "Ref" button) and go to card 2, > you'll see

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

I just updated my ResTool plugin. http://buchwald.ca/lc/ResTool.livecode.zip If you open the reference stack (via the "Ref" button) and go to card 2, you'll see a table of many of the most popular Android (and iOS) devices, with resolution and pixel density... as well as a chart of standard scree

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

On 7/31/12 2:13 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Does anyone know all the possible combinations of all screen sizes for Android? I know there are only 8 iOS screen sizes, but I guess there may be quite a few variants for Android. More than I suspect would allow for separate images per layout. Astoundi

Re: Scripting the standalone build--data and build

Hi, Not only that but if you want to mimic the "test" button, you use: revIDEDeployAction =) On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Sure, you can change the cRevStandalone properties and execute > > send "revSaveAsStan

Re: Scripting the standalone build--data and build

Hi Richard, Sure, you can change the cRevStandalone properties and execute send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & the short name of the topStack & quote to stack "revSaveAsStandalone" -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy

Re: [OT] Windows 8

On Monday, July 30, 2012, Colin Holgate wrote: > > You make more sets of $700 than you would make through other distributors. I think that drops off even in the general case as price goes up--even at $100, I doubt that many people would buy something they hadn't first seen or heard of elsewhere,

Re: How Do I Change My Main On-Rev Domain Name

Gregory, do you mean the name before on-rev.com e.g. matthias.on-rev.com? If so, you should contact On-Rev support at on-...@runrev.com and ask if they would be so kind to do that for you. Regards, Matthias Am 31.07.2012 um 16:00 schrieb Gregory Lypny : > Hello everyone, > > Is it poss

Scripting the standalone build--data and build

Can the stack in the development environment set the data in the standalone information section? I assume that these are actually a field in a stack. and then send a message to somewhere to cause it to be built? -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gma

How Do I Change My Main On-Rev Domain Name

Hello everyone, Is it possible to change my main on-rev domain name? If so, how can I do that? Regards, Gregory ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

Here is a start for some of the sizes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices -- Tom McGrath III http://lazyriver.on-rev.com 3mcgr...@comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:13 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Does anyone know all the possible combinations of all screen sizes for > Andr

Re: LiveCode iOS Externals & rreNarrator

Brian, First off, welcome to the list group. After hypercard I dabbled with Flex for a bit when it first came out and then came back to RunRev after a stint with Frontier Runtime and a few years with SuperCard. I must say that all of my experiences have led me to appreciating what RunRev is and

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: (shortened to express my idea) > So we know the density we are running at and now we have the choice of the > following: > - scale things > - create multiple substacks > - same as above but using stackfiles > - creating multiple stack

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Re: "standaloneSaved" request for clarification.

On 31/07/2012, at 7:10 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 07/31/2012 12:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: >> You need savingStandalone if you want to pre-twiddle. StandaloneSaved is for >> post-twiddling like zipping and moving to a clients Dropbox share or >> building an installer. > > That is some of the m

Re: "standaloneSaved" request for clarification.

On 07/31/2012 12:01 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: You need savingStandalone if you want to pre-twiddle. StandaloneSaved is for post-twiddling like zipping and moving to a clients Dropbox share or building an installer. That is some of the most useful information I have seen about the standalone-

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

Ideally, we should be able to use scalable vectors for the Interface. Icons, backgrounds, Text... A vector graphics interface created with all the excellent capabilities of vector graphics in this platform, would be a real delight to watch... In a quick test of scaling polygons with a gradient f

Re: "standaloneSaved" request for clarification.

You need savingStandalone if you want to pre-twiddle. StandaloneSaved is for post-twiddling like zipping and moving to a clients Dropbox share or building an installer. Cheers -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 31/07/2012, at 6:38 PM, Ri

"standaloneSaved" request for clarification.

standaloneSaved: "After a stack has been saved as a standalone application it is reopened. This message is then sent to the mainstack to allow custom build automation". What is reopened? 1.the original stack [at which point, if standalones have been hived-off it is difficult to s

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

> If your 'main' stack was an external stack that was loaded at runtime, the > first time the app ran you could do a blanket resize (if necessary) of > objects and controls so that they at least matched the required pixel density > and device form factor (e.g. std phone, HD tablet) and then sav

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

On 31/07/2012, at 05:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > I tend to agree. I can't help wondering if the first card could be scaled and > then kick off some non blocking process to do other cards. If your 'main' stack was an external stack that was loaded at runtime, the first time the app ran you c

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

I'll vote for scaling upon first load. We've forgotten something here. When we get away from being tied to pixels, we can give our users more choice. My 72 year old father will want the chrome of an application (as well as the content) visually much larger on the screen (pixel density and sc

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

I tend to agree. I can't help wondering if the first card could be scaled and then kick off some non blocking process to do other cards. -- M E R Goulding Software development services mergExt - There's an external for that! On 31/07/2012, at 5:30 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > I vote for scale o

Re: "peed off" with P Lists

I believe "mainstack" refers to your actual main stack, the one you loaded into the IDE to do the build, not the standlone, which would be Devawriter Pro/Contents/Mac OS/Devawriter Pro. You can modify the plist file within Contents any time and the app will see the changes next time It runs. I ha

Re: The Screen Density Conundrum

I vote for scale on launch. Just too much work building multiple interfaces for each screensize. The tool should allow for "setting" the control size and position based on density and/or pixel resolution. -- Chipp Walters CEO, Altuit, Inc. ___ use-liv

The Screen Density Conundrum

Hi As promised I have collected my latest thoughts on how to handle the screen density conundrum. I think for the way the majority of people work in LiveCode then a single stack needs to be able to scale to as many sizes and resolutions as possible. There are going to be cases where that's not

Re: Preview of Resolution Independent Control library for RevMobile

Does anyone know all the possible combinations of all screen sizes for Android? I know there are only 8 iOS screen sizes, but I guess there may be quite a few variants for Android. More than I suspect would allow for separate images per layout. -- Chipp Walters CEO, Altuit, Inc. __