Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-18 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Petko wrote: > First a few notes : > 1. The feature in question is very old ,and a lot of people have their way > around it . > 2. Inheriting the info from 1. -> I'm not quite sure how many people (old > as they may be) have a problem with the feature. What is our

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-17 Thread Petko
First a few notes : 1. The feature in question is very old ,and a lot of people have their way around it . 2. Inheriting the info from 1. -> I'm not quite sure how many people (old as they may be) have a problem with the feature. What is our representative sample ? I'm having these thoughts b

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-17 Thread Florian Diesch
Am Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:25:37 + schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas : > Before picking up the feature scythe, I suggest trying a less drastic > fix. Ubuntu's default theme makes hardly any distinction between the > sorted column and other columns. If the sorted column and column > header were highlight

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-17 Thread Xavier Guillot
Hello, I like this idea (highlight the sorted column), but please do not suppress or hide this possibility to change datas range by column : I use it daily many times both in Nautilus and Thunderbird, it's a very useful feature, to find an item by date / type / sender etc... It's perfectly a

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-17 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thibaut Brandscheid wrote on 13/12/12 00:01: > ... This is a real world problem, I've multiple times rearranged > the sorting for an elderly man in Thunderbird (he has the same > problem in Nautilus but not enough files to get lost there). Thats > an s

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-14 Thread Petko
On 12/14/2012 06:15 PM, Connor Carney wrote: Why can't the implementation be global? The existing sort interface is globally implemented by Gtk. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Petko > wrote: My two cents : I don't think that removing the bar with the column

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-14 Thread Connor Carney
Why can't the implementation be global? The existing sort interface is globally implemented by Gtk. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Petko wrote: > My two cents : I don't think that removing the bar with the column names > is inappropriate - it's just needed to understand the info below (if th

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-13 Thread Petko
My two cents : I don't think that removing the bar with the column names is inappropriate - it's just needed to understand the info below (if there were a "date modified" column and a "date created" column how would you tell them apart) . A suggested behaviour : clicking (left or right) on sai

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-12 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 12 December 2012 19:01, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote: > I think the clicked-by-accident problem is an underrated problem. Which > other UI element has the potential to make a "normal application" with >>one > click<< nearly unusable? Unusable not for only one session, nope, it saves > the sorting

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-12 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Dylan McCall wrote: > I agree with the original poster that the column sort buttons are not > easily > discoverable. I think that's the key reason why they would confuse > someone who clicks them by accident. That they _can_ be clicked by > accident strikes me as

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-12 Thread Colin Law
On 11 December 2012 22:00, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote: > >> As well as being simple for a basic user facilities that more >> sophisticated users need must be provided. Next you will be >> suggesting removing split screen and tree view from Nautilus. No-one >> would ever suggest that. > > The spli

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Dylan McCall
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Gregory Merchan wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Ian Santopietro wrote: > > What about moving the sort functionality to a menu? Then, it can be easily > > accessed through HUD, preserving easy access fit who use the functionality > > who use it, while

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Gregory Merchan
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Ian Santopietro wrote: > What about moving the sort functionality to a menu? Then, it can be easily > accessed through HUD, preserving easy access fit who use the functionality > who use it, while decluttering the UI and keeping a simple appearance for > beginners

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Ian Santopietro
What about moving the sort functionality to a menu? Then, it can be easily accessed through HUD, preserving easy access fit who use the functionality who use it, while decluttering the UI and keeping a simple appearance for beginners. On Dec 11, 2012 7:28 PM, "Gregory Merchan" wrote: > I'm comple

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Gregory Merchan
I'm completely at a loss as to what buttons are being discussed. The only chrome I have in my folder views is the column headers in the list view, but even when I turn on all the junk^W tool bars and such, I don't see any button for sorting. I do see two little chevrons pointing left and right tha

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Florian Diesch
Am Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:55:40 +0100 schrieb Thibaut Brandscheid : > Yes, we need the sort functionality, but do we need this > one-click-buttons in the "front UI"? > If you would have to go to the settings, or would have to right click > to unlock and make the Sort-By buttons visible and editable,

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Mathieu Beliveau
I believe what I'm about to say have been said more than a thousand times before, but still, I feel like adding some weight. Rather than adress this "remove sort button" proposal (considering it is not a troll); I'd like make a stance against this reductionist mentality. The more a software can do,

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
> As well as being simple for a basic user facilities that more > sophisticated users need must be provided. Next you will be > suggesting removing split screen and tree view from Nautilus. No-one > would ever suggest that. > The split view is not a feature in the main UI window of nautilus causi

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Colin Law
On 11 December 2012 20:55, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Josh Strawbridge > wrote: >> >> just because an application ships with ubuntu doesn't mean that ubuntu has >> anything to do with actually working on the program. > > I'm aware about that. The reason why I po

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Josh Strawbridge < holyknightjos...@gmail.com> wrote: > just because an application ships with ubuntu doesn't mean that ubuntu has > anything to do with actually working on the program. I'm aware about that. The reason why I post it here is because I think it's an

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Gabriel Pettier
I would hate this too, even if you seldomly use it, doesn't need you won't find it infuriating that it went away when you'll actually need it. I'm pretty sure people would hate to have them removed. Le 11/12/2012 21:10, Josh Strawbridge a écrit : just because an application ships with ubuntu do

Re: [Unity-design] Kill The Sort-By Button

2012-12-11 Thread Josh Strawbridge
just because an application ships with ubuntu doesn't mean that ubuntu has anything to do with actually working on the program. you're probably better off sending this to the developers of each application. personally, i'm against the idea. it is true that i rarely use them and do ignore them for