What about moving the sort functionality to a menu? Then, it can be easily accessed through HUD, preserving easy access fit who use the functionality who use it, while decluttering the UI and keeping a simple appearance for beginners. On Dec 11, 2012 7:28 PM, "Gregory Merchan" <gregory.merc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm completely at a loss as to what buttons are being discussed. > > The only chrome I have in my folder views is the column headers in the > list view, but even when I turn on all the junk^W tool bars and such, > I don't see any button for sorting. I do see two little chevrons > pointing left and right that don't look like buttons and don't respond > to anything I do. I think the colors are a little muted, so I'm > guessing they're not enabled, but I can't even get that to change. > > I know Thunderbird wants to get emails or set-up accounts, and I don't > use it, so I'm not checking that. > > Rhythmbox isn't something I usually use either, but I opened it to > look. Again I see the column headers, but nothing that says "Sort By" > or anything like it. I do see a couple of things that make less than > perfect sense. > 1. There is a slider next to a speaker icon, but it doesn't control > the volume; I eventually figured out it's a jog control. > 2. On the other side of it was a skinny button with no label. It moved > down and up when I clicked, but otherwise didn't do anything. When I > played a song, the button expanded to display "<time remaining>/<track > length>" (the numbers corresponding to the things between angle > braces.) I clicked on it then and the display changed to > <elapsedtime>/<track length>, but nothing else happened. > 3. There's a row that looks like it might be Apple-like scope buttons: > "Browse", "Show All", and "Import". Browse was pressed in, so I > clicked "Show All" out of curiosity. The button responded, but > otherwise nothing happened. "Import" popped up a dialog almost half > the size of my 1920x1080 screen. Finally I clicked the already pressed > in button and it revealed itself as a toggle independent of the other > two buttons. > > I don't know where else I might look. I can certainly say that > changing the sort order is something I do often, especially at work, > and it's not the kind of thing that is an application preference. > Perhaps the default sort order is, but not the current sort order. If > I had to dig around in a preference panel to change sort order, I'd > give up and use dead tree folders. It's amazing I haven't stopped > using gedit given that the text-wrapping toggle is an application > preference and not something on the view menu for every file. > > The only thing that makes sense to me as the buttons being discussed > is the column headers in some views, but not really because they don't > take up much height and they don't take up any width not taken up by > what they allow sorted. > > As for the target user, I'm reminded of this: > > The computer “user” isn’t a real person of flesh and blood, with > passions and brains. No, he is a mythical figure, and not a very > pleasant one either. A kind of mongrel with money but without taste, > an ugly caricature that is very uninspiring to work for. He is, as a > matter of fact, such an uninspiring idiot that his stupidity alone is > a sufficient explanation for the ugliness of most computer systems. > And oh! Is he uneducated! That is perhaps his most depressing > characteristic. He is equally education-resistant as another equally > mythical bore, “the average programmer”, whose solid stupidity is the > greatest barrier to progress in programming.—EWD 618 > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Florian Diesch <die...@spamfence.net> > wrote: > > Am Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:55:40 +0100 > > schrieb Thibaut Brandscheid <randal...@web.de>: > > > >> Yes, we need the sort functionality, but do we need this > >> one-click-buttons in the "front UI"? > >> If you would have to go to the settings, or would have to right click > >> to unlock and make the Sort-By buttons visible and editable, would > >> that be such a big loss? > > > > Non-expert users may not find out how they can sort things. > > > > > >> How important is the feature for an average user? > >> pretty unimportant > > > > Sorting for example files by name, size or date seems to be a quite > > common thing for me, even for non-experts. Like when you want to find > > the big files you could remove to free up some disk space. > > > > If this confuses some users I think it would be a better solution to > > make it even more obvious. > > > > Another idea could be to have an option "simple interface" at the > > accessibility settings. > > > > > > -- > > Plugin for Nautilus to create and modify application > > starters (.desktop files): > > <http://www.florian-diesch.de/software/arronax/> > > > > -- > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design > > Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~unity-design > Post to : unity-design@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~unity-design > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >
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