contribute regularly to the Ubuntu Forums, and get involved (to a much
smaller extent) in Brainstorm and a couple of other areas.
I usually use British English (I live in England), but if you require me
to use American English, let me know.
Regards
Paddy Landau
On 10/06/12 20:36, John wrote:
> Many of the authors (if not all) followed the instructions, although
> some screens aren't ok.
> Here is the instructions in case you don't know: [1]
> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02988.html
Those instructions would do well to be on the Wiki and i
;> to click on the tab and hold down the mouse button, then drag it to its
>> destination. Beginners do not always know that dragging means you have to
>> click-and-hold first.
>> I send this question and answer to the mailing list, because I want to know
>> what others th
On 14/06/12 17:37, John wrote:
> full circle magazine, and other magazines are available from software
> center.
>
> My thought is that in case we'll do the same, more people will read
> our manual.
I think it's an excellent idea.
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John, I think you should also have a section for what worked well, so
that those ideas can be copied to the next manual.
Paddy
On 21/06/12 17:36, John wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> everything seems to go alright till now and if we'll continue so, the
> manual we'll be released in less than two week.
>
On 30/06/12 21:05, Kevin Godby wrote:
> > Getting Started with Ubuntu 12.04 has been published!
Excellent.
Has this been noted on Ubuntu Forums?
Will it be noted in the forthcoming Weekly Ubuntu Newsletter (due Tuesday)?
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/
Paddy
> > Was this your first time contributing to the manual project? If so,
> how did you hear about the project?
Yes. I was asked to volunteer by another member of Ubuntu.
> > Why did you decide to get involved?
Ubuntu has saved me many metaphorical tears, needing so much less
maintenance than the
On 02/07/12 12:37, Philip Stubbs wrote:
> > Ok, I was intending to get involved. However, I did not like having
> to use TeX Live from outside of the repositories. It seems to me that
> it would be easier to be involved if the software requirements can be
> satisfied with what is available to a sta
On 02/07/12 11:50, Patrick Dickey wrote:
> > I would think (but by no means do I know) that if you're referring
> to the styles for the manual (the .tex styles and formats), then it
> would be Kevin now. As he's in charge of the manual. Or possibly
> Benjamin Humphrey, although he's not in charge o
> > Ubuntu 12.10 will have TeX Live 2012 in the normal repositories. For
> those of you using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, you can use a backport PPA:
> >
> > https://launchpad.net/~texlive-backports/+archive/ppa
> >
> > Therefore, there won't be a need to use tlmgr next release if you
> don't want to.
I ha
On the web page:
http://ubuntu-manual.org/
The lead images are still from "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04".
That should be changed, surely?
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On 07/07/12 08:13, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
> Translating the glossary, I found the following description:
>
> ...
>
> What do you think?
Yes, you are correct.
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On 07/07/12 08:38, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
> I am going to bother you again with an issue that I want to sort out
> for the next version.
> Do we use the word "panel", "Top panel" or "Menu bar"?
> Ubuntu Documentation (Help file) uses menu bar, e.g. click the sound
> menu on the menu bar.
>
> In our
> P.s.: since I started this discussion on several mailing lists, I
> would appreciate it if people send their reactions to all.
I wouldn't be on all the lists, but you have my permission to use my
ideas freely on the other lists if you think it will help.
I have asked the question on the Ubuntu
On 11/07/12 14:46, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
> > But I would still say: who has decided on this? And do we agree? I
> hope I do not sound arrogant, all I want is to have a clear answer.
I think we're all in agreement with you, Hannie.
The big point is that the manual must be clear and obvious to the
> > Additionally, per the GNOME docs style guide, menubar should be one
> word, not two
"Menubar" as one word is really ugly. :-( I'm not sure that we should be
mangling English.
Are we perhaps looking in the wrong places? Surely there is someone or
some team who decides the standards within Can
On 12/07/12 10:58, Phil Bull wrote:
> > (3) Validated by user testing
This point is the most important of them all by a long way.
If you have tested with real users, that gives the answer we need.
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On 12/07/12 21:11, Kevin Godby wrote:
> If anyone knows of a good web developer...
I used to develop websites (not full time, but it included my own ones).
Then I changed to Joomla, but that required some development to work
well. Updating versions was also time-consuming and a pain.
But now I u
> This weekend we will have the first meeting for the quantal version of
> our manual.
I shall attempt to join. Please excuse me if I don't manage.
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Some good questions. I'll answer them as best as I can.
> 1. Is it easy to generate a translation template file (.pot) that can
> be uploaded to Launchpad to allow our website to be translated?
> 2. Can we then use translation files (.po or .mo) downloaded from
> Launchpad on our site
> I'd prefer not to release a new edition of the manual each time we
> find a bug. ... I'd suggest that as we find these bugs in the 12.04
> version of the manual we immediately fix them in the quantal repository.
The problem is that 12.04 is a five-year LTS.
I suggest that we fix errata in 12.04
On 16/07/12 00:49, Patrick Dickey wrote:
> I found this link...
Thank you, Patrick. I see that it also uses Poedit, which is good news.
I shall investigate.
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> It took me some time to find out it is installed in
> /usr/share/applications, but then users can just type "Getting" in the
> Dash to find it.
When I first looked for the manual, I typed the word "manual" into the
Dash, but it was not found.
The Dash recognises any word from the title or from
> ... I think most people would search for the title of the application
> or book that they just installed when they're looking for it.
Maybe, but many won't. I did not; I installed the manual and expected to
find it under "manual".
> While I provided a complete description and a list of keywords
>> The link does not work for me, I come only to a google login page...
>
> Could it be that you need to create a Google account first? I am not
> sure, but you can try.
I get the same problem. I have a Google account already, and the message is:
"... you don't have permission to access this ite
>
> It is too much work to update the current version of the manual, so all
> changes should be made to the Quantal version.
I thought we would be issuing a revised version later?
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On 22/07/12 09:13, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
> On page 28 of the manual (Precise) I read:
> This left pane can be changed to display different features (such as
> Information, Tree, History, etc.) by clicking the down arrow beside
> ``Places'' near the top.
>
> In my version of Nautilus 3.4.2 I do not
On 22/07/12 09:24, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
> In the GUI I see:
> Toolbar
> Statusbar
> Sidebar
> So, why shouldn't we write "Menubar" instead of "menu bar".
I dislike mangling English for the sake of inventing unnecessary jargon.
How is such invented jargon to be translated to other languages?
How
> We don't have to have the manual out that soon after Ubuntu,
> particularly for a LTS release, for an in between release nothing much
> changes anyway, and most users with moderate experience in computing
> *should* be able to follow the last in the time between Ubuntu's
> release and the manual.
> So far, we have not been able to find developers to build a new
> website for us. But maybe one day someone knocks on our door and says:
> hey, I want to take up this challenge! Who knows ;)
I am busy experimenting with WordPress as an alternative, which (if it
works) would satisfy Kevin's desir
Patrick, you sent the link about WordPress at my request, and I have
been investigating it. I have in fact set up a test WordPress site just
to test multilingualism.
I think you may have some valuable experience in this regard.
I do know PHP, albeit not at an expert level, and can certainly help
> That sounds like a good plan. Right now, it's about 10:25 a.m. UTC...
Patrick, rather than trying to figure out a time via email on this list,
shall we use that fancy Doodle thing that was used for the meetings?
I've just signed up and here is the link for anyone who wants to join in.
http://d
> I noticed in the section on "passwords" in the Ubuntu Manual that the
> Automatic Password Generator, that's built into Ubuntu, wasn't
> mentioned. Just type "apg" into the terminal (no quotation marks) and
> hit enter "apg" will do the rest.
I would avoid apg. First, its generator is poor unle
> if someone has a command-line way to see what interfaces are installed
and in use, let me know!
At the command line, enter:
echo ${DESKTOP_SESSION}
3D returns "ubuntu" and 2D returns "ubuntu-2d".
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> Someone should confirm the exclusivity of Unity 3D starting in 12.10.
I didn't quite understand what you meant by that.
12.10 still has Ubuntu-3D for systems that support it, with automatic
fall-back to Ubuntu-2D for those that do not.
Gnome Classic is still available, but you have to install
> Quite interesting, this manual. I like the VB part.
>
> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/muktware-ubuntu-manual/
Yes, that is a good manual. Its audience is a little different from our
manual.
Here is a poster that has somehow been lost; now is a good time to
re-find it (see post #85 fo
I see that both the Muktware manual and our manual are mentioned in the
top-10 free apps for July:
http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/08/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-july-2012/
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forgotten. For the quantal
> version: if we want to mention it, what would be the appropriate
> chapter to make a link to this poster?
> Hannie
>
> Op 07-08-12 13:10, Paddy Landau schreef:
>>> Quite interesting, this manual. I like the VB part.
>>>
>>> h
> How is the poster out of date?
The final poster (as seen in post #85 of the thread) is version 5. The
version on Spreadubuntu is version 4. You'll see a small formatting
error on the top right, where an arrow feeds into the wording itself.
> The only "error" I see is a mis-spelling of Center
A
> Are the only changes needed concerning spelling errors (and/or style
> errors, if you want it to look like US English)? Or does some of the
> actual content need to be updated?
We all agreed that it looked good when it was last updated (April 29th),
so unless you yourself see something that need
> ... I only see two solutions worth considering:
>
> * have screenshot teams in every language in which the manual is (or
will be) translated capture language-specific screenshots to be included
only in those translations.
> * place a disclaimer at the beginning of all manuals explaining that
> ... for me there is no difference between "Susan Taylor" and "John Doe"
Slightly OT: In English, John Doe is used as a place-name for someone
whose name you do not know, typically a body in a morgue awaiting
identification. It's not appropriate for screen-shots.
Paddy
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> Ok, now I understand. In this case a other placeholder name should be
chosen. What do you suggest?
Any common forename and surname would be fine.
Although you could use something like John Q Public (American) or Joe
Bloggs (UK), these refer to unspecified people. They would look odd in a
screen
> [snip] Possible examples include currently playing music and music in
> the user's library
Music presents another potentially-problematic area.
Music that a citizen from one culture takes for granted may be
considered offensive by someone from another culture.
May I suggest that we use classi
> Instead of music, can we use some *FREELY* available tones?
What do you mean by "tones"?
The tracks do not need to be free; they are there for demonstration
purposes only (also, we need to show the Ubuntu One store).
If you are interested, there are sites that have public-domain classical
mus
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