Re: Removing single program from multi program packages

Mike Jones wrote: > Thanks for your reply. I understand the realistic restrictions that a > developer faces when packaging applications. ... > Is there just no way for a package maintaner to not have extra work > piled on their already hefty load while at the same time we allow a user > o

Re: Removing single program from multi program packages

Martin Soto wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:55 -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: > ... >> While I don't know how this _could_ be done, I agree that there are good >> reasons why it _should_. My particular pet peeve are the screensaver >> packages, where there are

Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

Stephan Hermann wrote: > as for msdos labels (which is the default) you won't come over 2TB > (reading as disk vendor means: 1000bytes == 1KB and not 1024bytes == > 1KByte) You should know that this isn't unclear. 1024 Bytes is a KiB, not a KB. 2TB is 2*10**12 bytes, 2TiB is 2 * 2**40 (I think :

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote: >> Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> > our best practices for reporting bugs. In particular, reporting bugs >> > directly to Launchpad is usually *NOT* the best approach. This should >> > only >> >> Perhaps Launchpad co

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Wednesday 25 March 2009 11:08:11 am Derek Broughton wrote: >> Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:38:44PM +, Chris Jones wrote: >> >> Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> >> > our best practices for rep

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

Matt Zimmerman wrote: >> That's going to be news to the average user, of which a noticeable number >> are _still_ using the old bug tools to file a bug straight >> to "ubuntu-users" > > We don't install those tools by default, while we do install apport. I know, but there's still a significant

Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

Stephan Hermann wrote: > TBH, I just bursted into a laugh attackfor easyiness: 500 Gigabytes > as written on a Harddrive label are not the same as 500 Gigabytes > transfered over the Network (when you know HD vendor definition: kilo == > 1000 and Network vendor definition normally kilo == 1024

Re: Best practice for reporting bugs

Brian Murray wrote: > You might be interested to know that reportbug has been modified in > Jaunty[1] and that the package override is being changed to not point > people to ubuntu-users[2]. > > [1] http://launchpad.net/bugs/228183 > [2] http://launchpad.net/bugs/326091 Not me. I stopped being

Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work

Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Nils Kassube wrote: >> Christopher Chan wrote: >> >>> Please do point out where it says megabit = 1000x1000 bits and not >>> 1024 x 1024 bits. >>> >> >> From : >> >> | When describing bitrates, binary prefi

Re: lxde and nm-applet situation is worse: Jaunty python upgrade prevents pygtk apps from working

Paulo Silva wrote: > Well, i'm not yet using Jaunty (still on Interpid) - and i got an > annoying situation having both LXDE and Gnome installed - a dependence > named lxnm, not only it's not working, as well it removes by conflict > nm-applet (network-manager-gnome package), and if we insist > re

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

John Vivirito wrote: > On 03/31/2009 06:19 PM, Evan wrote: >> While apt, synaptic, update-manager, and gnome-app-install all do decent >> jobs of providing front-ends for package management, there are a few >> issues and common feature requests which bear taking a look at. This is a >> strawman, s

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 3:34:06 pm Derek Broughton wrote: >> No, he means "install" some packages while others are still downloading. >> I can see that being very advantageous to a dial-up user, but I wonder if >> it can even be pos

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

Martin Olsson wrote: > Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> If you download and install everything that has 0 dependencies first, >> then the ones that depend on those things, and on up the tree, it could >> be doable. Except for cyclical dependencies. For those, you'd need to get >> both downloaded before

Re: Looking for a List of log messages that Linux sends

raahi 108 wrote: > I am doing some syslog analysis from various devices. > > For Linux, i was trying to find if there is a document listing formats for > ALL logs that linux sends out... > > -e.g. --- > <92>pure-ftpd: (?...@theman) [WARNING] Authentication failed for user [root] > <38>sshd(p

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > Remco escreveu: >> Are there any problems with enabling automatic updates by default? >> Most users don't care about updates to the point that they never >> install them. And even if they would open the update manager, they >> > Which is precisely why security should

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Erich Jansen wrote on 06/04/09 10:59: >>... >> My problem with the way things are currently done is that it's not >> obvious to someone like my parents, who run Ubuntu, that this feature >> exists. After switching my parents to Ubuntu the only real complaint I >> hear

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

James Westby wrote: > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 07:27 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: >> Maybe delaying upgrades until shutdown *is* the right >> solution? > > There are a couple of other issues with that. > > 1. The upgrades may need some feedback from the user, but the user has > just declared th

Re: What is going on

richard wrote: > > In order to try and get Virtualbox up I reloaded 2.6.28-11 server, > reloaded virtualbox, it starts but borks staring the VM > > I ran apt-get update, in case I had only had a part update. > > and got this:- > > apt-get: update > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Sources >

Re: Security by ... too much honesty?

John Moser wrote: > Mostly, a lot of things are supported and work just fine. We live in > a decent enough world, usually you're not really a target for anything > bad, and we can ignore all the hype about most stuff because hey, it's > just unlikely. > > ... > > I call BS. I call double BS :-

Re: hibernating progress bar

solaris manzur wrote: > nowadays we have a huge problem when we are going to hibernate and wake-up > from hibernating: "we do not have a progress bar" so When we are going to > hibernate we just see a black screen and that is it, my first time on > going to hibernate, I thought: "Ohhh My God!!! Ub

Re: On apturls and repositories

Alexander Sack wrote: > Also, the abilitity to trigger .deb installs from the web by a single > click is considered a bug and we look into making ffox and other > webbrowsers not allow that (instead similar to windows .exe downloads > only allow them to be saved and not opened directly from the we

Re: On apturls and repositories

Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > I quite agree that adding adding PPA should be easy. > > In my opinion is should envolve clicks and it should not envolve deb > packages. Currently for my PPA which has quite a few users I did > create deb package which installs list file and keys. > > Here is what I wa

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)

Andrew Sayers wrote: > I agree that people can learn what mega and giga mean, so long as you > give them the opportunity to learn. Using "million bytes" > interchangeably with "MB" gives significantly more people that > opportunity. Sorry, I simply can't believe that. > > "Mega" is also a pro

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)

Max Bowsher wrote: > Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> Benjamin Drung wrote: >>> On Mon Jun 1 04:15:19 BST 2009 Remco wrote: >>> I have a file here of "701.2 MB", which is "735270912 bytes". Now, if it really *were* 701.2 MB, then it would be 70120 bytes. So that's clearl

Re: On apturls and repositories

Alexander Sack wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:40:47AM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Alexander Sack wrote: >> >> > Also, the abilitity to trigger .deb installs from the web by a single >> > click is considered a bug and we look into making ffox and othe

Re: On apturls and repositories

Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > A better idea would perhaps be to allow installing packages from apturls > or debs *only* if the key is already present in the system, that is, you > don't even add the source permanently if not. That works for me - I don't mind increasing security, I just hate having p

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)

Christopher Chan wrote: > You've completely missed what the whole thread is about. The age old and > faulty convention is base2 for space and file sizes. That is what the > Ubuntu team wants to get rid of. But thanks for supporting my 'argument' > anyway. :-P I can't quite understand how _you_ ha

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)

Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Christopher Chan wrote: >> >> >>> You've completely missed what the whole thread is about. The age old and >>> faulty convention is base2 for space and file sizes. That is what the >

Re: On apturls and repositories

Jan Claeys wrote: > Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 10:32 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Derek > Broughton: >> I would add - keyserver.ubuntu.com should handle HTTP lookups! I >> finally realized why I have so much trouble updating apt from work: >> because the firewall blocks h

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Unit Consistency (LP: #369525)

Jan Claeys wrote: > Op maandag 01-06-2009 om 12:03 uur [tijdzone +0800], schreef Christopher > Chan: >> Stop changing age old conventions. > > kilo = 1000 is in fact ages older than kilo = 1024 :P > Well, "generations" older, at least. Perhaps not "ages" :-) -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-disc

Re: On apturls and repositories

Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: > Il giorno sab, 06/06/2009 alle 23.55 -0400, Martin Owens ha scritto: >> >> Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but >> the >> nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default >> but not a requirement, like ssh or ftp. For

Re: On apturls and repositories

Remco wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Martin Owens wrote: >> >>> No, it isn't. HTTP is by definition over port 80 - or perhaps 8080: >> >> Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but the >> nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default >>

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Mark Fink wrote: > I never thought I'd live to see the day where canoical would side with > the asshole trolls such as the MONO camp. > > I'm disgusted and you guys should be ashamed. > > I hope you get rid of MONO. only then can your reputations be restored. hmm. I can only assume there's som

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Mark Fink wrote: > MONO is a poor imitation of java, so why use MONO!? Shows what I know I guess - I thought it was a poor imitation of .net... I was a java evangelist for years. Too bad it never lived up to its promise. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discus

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > Jo is a nice fellow, met him at UDS. Didn't seem very much to be > infiltrating...more like sitting around being cheerful and chatting with > whatever folks sat down. Oh sure. That's what he _wants_ you to think -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ub

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Monday 08 June 2009 7:49:32 am Mark Fink wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:37 AM, Stephan Hermann wrote: >> > anyways...MONO is a technology and this technology belongs into Ubuntu >> > or any other linux distribution. It helps people get rid of Windows in >> > the fi

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Remco wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: >> Perhaps I misunderstand why the term "application framework" is any >> better than a pile of libraries and languages that work together, but I >> think it'd be extremely difficult for Microsoft to try to argue that .NET >> i

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Nicolò Chieffo wrote: > This is clearly a "not invented here" syndrome. please read wikipedia > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here > > I'm a software engineer, I personally tried both java and .net (I > don't like python very much because it's easy to get things out of > control) > I

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Remco wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Remco wrote: >> >>> We're still being a Microsoft technology user, which is what Mark >>> Shuttleworth didn't want, and is the reason why Wine is not included >&g

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Remco wrote: > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David > Schlesinger wrote: >> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You >> were completely mistaken about it, rendering your argument meaningless. >> The appropriate response at that point is to say, "I was wrong", not to

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

Remco wrote: > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Derek Broughton > wrote: >> Remco wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM, David >>> Schlesinger wrote: >>>> As Derek pointed out, Wine is indeed in the universal repository. You >>>>

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard: > >> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file. >> This frees the user from swap considerations and opens Linux to >> dynamic swap size. > > + 1 Not unless you have fixed the ability to hibernate to a swap file...

RE: shameful censoring of mono opposition

David Schlesinger wrote: > >> and then he goes and creates GNOME while badmouthing KDE and splitting >> the Linux community. with friends like him, who needs enemies? > > I've rarely seen a more slanted and pointless characterization of GNOME. > I'm a member of the GNOME Foundation advisory board

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Lars Wirzenius wrote: > ke, 2009-06-10 kello 15:21 -0400, John Moser kirjoitti: >> Every argument for putting Grub or the kernel on a separate partition >> has been based around the idea that these files are somehow more >> important than, say, /bin/sh > > Putting the kernel (i.e., /boot) on a se

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Markus Hitter wrote: > Additionally, if you have more than one installation of Ubuntu on the > same platter, you really want to share /boot with both installations. No, "really" you don't. I've tried that and it causes as many headaches as it solves. -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailin

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Felipe Figueiredo wrote: > John, > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, John Moser wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Luke L wrote: >>> How many of these things are actually going to make it into Karmic? A >>> dynamically sized swap file? GRUB 2 residing on its own partition, >>> etc? These

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 11.06.2009 um 14:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > >> Additionally, if you have more than one installation of Ubuntu on the >> same platter, you really want to share /boot with both installations. > I definitely didn't write that - or if I

Re: GRUB 2 now default for new installations

Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 02:24:33PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Markus Hitter wrote: >> > Am 09.06.2009 um 00:45 schrieb André Pirard: >> >> Similarly, the swap partition should be a Linux file. >> >> This frees the user f

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

Martin Soto wrote: > On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 00:19 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: >> >From the appcenter wiki page: >> >> "If Linux has an Achilles heel, from the point of view of a Windows >> user, it's installing new software. Be prepared to enter a new world in >> which Windows Update is a model

RE: Synaptic - Proxy - Network Connection

Chris, please trim other people's .sigs - otherwise those of us who respond to you will frequently actually lose your comments. Smart mail programs trim at the first .sig separator... Chris Jones wrote: > RE: Synaptic - Proxy - Network Connection > From: > Chris Jones > Date: From: Kyle

Re: Ubuntu for laptops

shirish शिरीष wrote: > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 05:57, Matthew Garrett > wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:40:05PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: >> >>> a. Lots of background services which are started by default. >> >> Background services are either doing something (in which case the user >> expe

Re: Apache Maven to be removed from Karmic?

John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson > wrote: >> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). > > I laughed. > > Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Ryan Dwyer wrote: > I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced > administrator, but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change > that. Indeed - so instead of saying that administration should only be _possible_ by experts, we need _poor_ administration to be _impossib

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Ryan Dwyer wrote: >> >> >> BTW: GUI tools shouldn't run on a server, but on the admin's (or >> pseudo-admin's) desktop. Using a secure connection to the server, of >> course. >> > I take it no one has any issues with web based GUI tools? Actually many people have issues with web-based tools. We

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Steven Susbauer wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > >> Thank you for proving my point. > > Or proving the point that easy to use GUI configuration tools can > actually help make the situation better, for example suggesting the > user set a password for their SMTP server

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> That tool is generally called a server. That Mac OS X tool is called >> Samba, with a nice interface to configure it. I see no reason why they >> should be forced to run Mac OS X to do this. >> > > I think that Chan was giving an example. > > >> People should have the choi

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are >> comparable to Mustang GT? >> > > No. But I think that running a public HTTP server is. No way - everybody _and_ their monkey runs a public HTTP server today. You can't expect that that will ever be done by

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Ryan Dwyer wrote: >> I don't think there's any use discussing whether we think a GUI or CLI is >> better. Shouldn't we focus on what the typical business wants and what >> they're prepared to use? > > This is an easy question. > > First off,

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced >> administrator, but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change >> that. Many businesses just want something that works and is easy to >> manage, even if there are "issues" such as no backups. The target

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> John Moser wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Ryan Dwyer >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think there's any use discussing whether we thi

Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready

Markus Hitter wrote: > > Am 26.10.2009 um 12:08 schrieb Dirk Hoeschen: > >> Now (3 days before the release) karmic seems to be unready. >> Even if the system is stable, I found many bugs and inconsistent >> issues. > > Obviously, the team is totally overwhelmed by bugs. Look for example > at bu

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: >> >>> Derek Broughton wrote: >>> >>>> I don't follow why you would think an X server on Windows is required. >>>> >>&

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> You keep missing the main point. which is not whether or not people >> without knowledge _should_ be running servers, but that they _are_, will >> continue to be whether or not we support them, and can't be prevented >> from doing so. All of your arguments against providing t

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> I completely disagree. There's no theoretical reason why a computer >> program couldn't do any of the above. > > We are discussing practice, not theory. In theory, there isn't any > difference between the two. But in practice... > > >>"Professionals" are primarily require

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: > Here is a great example of people administering things that they > shouldn't: > > http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/PHP-has-an-eval-function-like-perl.aspx > Very funny. Now, wouldn't it have been better to give Jim some useful tools? -- derek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mai

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> My arguments are against making a dangerous tool accessible to the >>> masses. Assessible in this context meaning "seemingly designed for". >> >> I understand that - but the problem is the dangerous tool IS already >> accessible to the masses. They can set up completely bol

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: >> Professionals need to be "on-call". In fact, for most medical treatment, >> the doctor _is_ "on-call". If we could make the day-to-day >> administration of servers simple and fool-proof, the small business owner >> might be far more happy to consider keeping an expert

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> >> All the RFCs are defined as finite-state engines. There really is NO >> reason that a tool capable of making all the correct configurations need >> to be >> "predefined" and "fixed". It&

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Oh feel free to code the thing then. Just don't ask mom and pop whether >>> they want their user account database in ldap or mysql or in passwd and >>> shared via NIS+. >> >> My whole point has been that it could be done, while you've been saying >> it couldn't. Having appa

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> In the first place, nothing they can do in the world of server >> configuration is going to be that hazardous, and in the second, it's not >> and never has been about whether it's wise to let them do that: THEY WILL >> DO IT. So it's in _everybody's_ best interest to give th

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote: > /me wonders if mom and pop in general will understand the stuff > below...and not enable an exploitable php module/formmail.cgi/remember > to update to security fixed packages. Best make this for zee sysadmin. They _are_ they sysadmin. Like it or not. And

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Dotan Cohen wrote: >> They _are_ they sysadmin. Like it or not. And yes, they'll >> enable an exploitable module - but they'll do that whether you make it >> hard for them or not. If you won't give them the tools, they'll just >> google for an answer, take the first one they find - safe or no

Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready

Natanael Olaiz wrote: > Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring > them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc... "knotes"? So you're presumably using Kubuntu: most of those shortcuts got broken with the upgrade to KDE4 - LONG before 9.10. -- derek -- U

Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready

Natanael Olaiz wrote: > El 11/11/2009 08:32 PM, Derek Broughton escribió: >> Natanael Olaiz wrote: >> >> >>> Another thing: many shortcuts doesn't work anymore. Even configuring >>> them by hand!! For instance: screenshots, knotes, etc... >>

Re: Save Icon modernization needed

Palle Hellemann wrote: > Just a thought: > My 11 year old daughter asked: "How do I save a document?" > I answered: "You just click on the Floppydisk Icon in the Menu bar!" > She pondered over this and then asked: "What is a Floppydisk?" I understand that the average user today has probably never

Re: Stop the madness

patrick wrote: > Dear madam, sir, I wonder about the wisdom of even trying to respond to an email that starts that way... > Give a distribution the time to mature, listen to your big chief, even > when it's for only time only: 1 distribution a year will bring quality > software instead of buggy

Re: Ubuntu Domain Server

Christopher Chan wrote: > Luke L wrote: >> I read some comments on this thread, and I feel I must chime in, >> because I get furious at the anti-GUI people. >> > > Where? Where? I don't remember anybody being explicitly anti-GUI. No, it's been explicitly anti-anybody-who-can't-configure-a-ser

Re: Install Wizard 'Looks Too Complicated'

James Westby wrote: > On Mon Nov 30 13:47:34 -0500 2009 John Moser wrote: >> List some not-silly reasons. > > You're serious? Ok. > > * Takes a long time to crack any password that's not in the dictionary > and > more than a few characters long. > * Rainbow tables would be too large to

Re: msql broken

Brian Murray wrote: > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote: >> Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next step >> to geek hood and got ubuntu. But I cannot fix msql server. I can't get >> rid of it, or anything. Its so annoying. I have tried all

Re: msql broken

Brian Murray wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 03:57:08PM -0400, Derek Broughton wrote: >> Brian Murray wrote: >> >> > On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:46:14AM -0500, Adam Strawcutter wrote: >> >> Ok I am a noob..kind of. Been a geek all my life but took the next &g

Re: No Cyber Cafe Software for Ubuntu yet...

Onkar Shinde wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:09 AM, omar ar wrote: >> >> Why not the ubuntu developer develope the cyber cafe software that works >> with ubuntu server and clients. There is no any cyber cafe software for >> ubuntu yet. and make it open source perhaps. It will make easier for >

Re: Question about this list

Amahdy wrote: >>Because what we have works very well and doesn't rely on an external > entity. > > We all know that there is "no bug free software", so if mailman is very > good, google-groups are -per my usage- very good too > >>Mailing lists are the lifeblood of most open source projects. > >

Re: Question about this list

Amahdy wrote: > Anybody who read my original email in the digest will notice the problem, > the "From" has a special-char before it but I never typed it in my > original email, I don't know why this happened too maybe somebody could > explain, but my email is cropped at the original list website.

Re: Question about this list

Amahdy wrote: > Like many ppl, I don't want to check a lists group over an rss like gmane, You really, desperately, need to learn terminology if you want to convince _anybody_ that you are right. gmane news is _not_ in any sense an "rss". > and the reason of checking this list over web-browser

Re: Ask for a nickname in users-admin; Was: Should Short really be username when creating a user in users-admin

Thomas Templin wrote: > > I would vote for ... > and also for > 'Full Name' (DE_de: 'Vollständiger Name') > or better > 'Name Surname' (DE_de: 'Name Nachname') You'd know better than me if that's better in German - but it's certainly wrong (confusing) in English. Translations do

Re: White-on-black terminal should be default

Fred . wrote: > Everybody knows that a terminal has white text on black background. > Windows has a terminal like this. Mac OS X have a terminal like this. Ugh. I really thought that only primitive systems use white text on a black background. It's ergonomically very bad. I never use such a t

Re: Booting and login - why are users not logged in automatically?

Phillip Susi wrote: > On 3/24/2010 10:13 AM, Alan Pope wrote: >> That still wont guarantee access to user files. If you use ecryptfs >> (the default encryption system for /home on Ubuntu live CDs) then even >> having physical access won't give you immediate access to files in the >> user home dire

Re: Thoughts on quitting and window controls

Davyd McColl wrote: > For what my input is worth, I'd just like to point out that I'm one of > those people who is annoyed when an app which runs in the systray *exits* > when I close the interface window (main or otherwise). For apps that > support the "minimise to tray" functionality instead of

Re: Thoughts on quitting and window controls

John McCabe-Dansted wrote: > Maybe. But the paradigm isn't really that pressing the Close > button minimizes the window to the systray. I beg to differ. Think as a user, not a developer. I submit that _users_ do not generally understand a difference between minimizing to the tray or the task

Re: Thoughts on quitting and window controls

Evan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Dylan McCall > wrote: >> I chewed on this thought for a bit, and I think adding a "really >> close" button to a window would compromise what is _potentially_ a >> pretty well thought out bit of UI. That's not to say it is well >> thought out yet, but

Re: Thoughts on quitting and window controls

Brandon Kuczenski wrote: > Derek Broughton wrote: >> John McCabe-Dansted wrote: >> >>> Maybe. But the paradigm isn't really that pressing the Close >>> button minimizes the window to the systray. >> >> I beg to differ. Think as a user,