> Are the statements below true?
> Is the Ubuntu patch really 5 MB?
> If so, what is it meant to change?
The diff of the current gcc in Intrepid ,as found here [1], seems to
only be 672 KB
gcc-4.2.3's [2] seems to be 1.1 MB
[1]
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.3/gcc-4.3_4.3.1
I see another release go by, and another LiveCD
packaged with the
ugly icon included, I will start crying :-(
If anyone is willing to do this, the working patch is available, attached to
this bug report -
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/129687
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his being a "MOTU disaster," lxnm is synced directly from
Debian with no Ubuntu changes. You might want to file a bug in Debian
or contact the Debian maintainer. The same Debian maintainer seems to
maintain the whole LXDE stack, and undoubtedly knows this package
better than us
x27;t spam the upstream bug like you have done on the
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this are useless.
If you feel the need to comment, provide constructive ideas and
feedback, not one line demands. Those won't get you anywhere.
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n order to put it on their to-do list.
Assigning your self also used to be part of the bug triage workflow.
While that has wisely changed for Ubuntu, some upstreams using LP
might still do this.
In general, Launchpad seems to be very open about most permissions.
While this does sometimes become an i
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shared by people on the list have sometimes been chosen to be the
default wallpaper, but the decisions were never discussed on that
list. They were made unilaterally by Canonical.
Sending people there to complain about the default artwork or about
other packages included in the defa
w.
File a bug against the drivemount component of gnome-applets:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=gnome-applets
You might have to rebase your patch against the current development
branch. You can browse the source here:
http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-applets/tree/drivemount
Th
o release, you can branch the release series from
trunk. Then you make no more major changes or additional features on
that branch. You can release stable point releases from that branch,
cherry-picking only bug fixes from trunk.
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8) The user now has a shell on the newbie's computer, as user
remote-recovery. They can then read the password in ~/password, and
sudo whatever they need to sudo.
9) Remove the remote-recovery user and delete their home directory
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package (and any dependencies) before retrying.
Of course, this all goes way beyond my meagre shell-scripting abilities,
so now we're just developing a feature request to present to someone else.
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/rr, so it works even on some weird UMSDOS partition, and gets
auto-deleted if the computer gets unexpectedly rebooted
* Create an init script that deletes the remote-recovery user at boot
(again, in case of unexpected reboots)
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" kills the PID of the shell script that apt is
running. I'd have to check, but I think that apt does the right thing
in that situation.
Clicking "keep waiting" sends the dialogue box away for 5 minutes (then
for 10 minutes, then for 15 minutes...)
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a system, so it seems natural to give the same option to these people.
Presumably we need to ask someone at Canonical about whether they'd be
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wadays, and the latter should be safe
so long as just enough packets to appear in the SSH log are sent, but
not enough to try a password are sent.
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Based on this evidence, does anybody object to a bug report being filed
against openssh-server, saying that password authentication should be
disabled by default? Of course, that leaves all my ideas in serious
trouble, but that's a secondary matter.
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the expert can't control (as my ISP seems to be threatening to do).
However, that sort of thing strikes me as a problem best left for
version 2, when we start to see what the actual problems are in the real
world.
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Another use case we need to think about is broken video
cards/monitors/etc. that make it impossible for the non-technical friend
to use their computer at all. This suggests that the expert should be
able to log in by default, rather than having access only granted on
request.
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ichever protocol has
been configured.
Users can then add extra socat modules to handle their own esoteric
situations.
Does this seem workable?
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wants to try
insecure connection methods (there might be nothing wrong with telnet -
for example, if the computers are already connected over a modem).
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Justin M. Wray wrote:
> Yes, this seems to be the robust sort of approch that seems to cover the most
> use cases and work
elf.
I'm now going to download dash and see whether I can fight my way out of
that little box. If not, C it is.
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> I agree with your generalization, and ordering. It provides fault tolerance,
> security, and usability. Making the entire process es
thinking it'll be something like:
my-module.sh --want remote-shell --remoteuser andrew \
--remotehost example.com
this will have to be decided as modules are written - there'll
doubtless be some rules, some precedents, and some totally
protocol-specific thi
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shell script to give a rough idea of what I'd like to see.
Does this seem plausible?
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pkg is happy). The
root shell would never be recommended, because people that want a shell
don't need to be told.
If you're happy with this idea, I can submit a skeleton implementation
if you'd like.
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well as making the program a little bit easier to find, it makes a great
advert for Linux - it solves the problems that Windows causes.
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e's anyone out there with a little Python experience and an
interest in reducing stress levels in their tech support, I could really
do with your input right now.
I now have an initial Python implementation of a GTK interface at:
https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-bugs-launchpad-net/+junk/remote
hell.
Does anyone have any suggestions about this?
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it's worth, Perl was actually my first choice, and I begrudgingly learnt
Python after discovering that Perl didn't support IPv6 in the default
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It's a one-file Python script, so you just download it and run the
assistant on both computers at once. It's designed for use while
talking over a phone line, which is more secure th
the use
case is - an empirical question best answered by the crowd rather than
by developers.
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still be delivered if your root partition fills up.
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Could this be related to the infamous bug #196277? To my untrained eye,
it looks rather like the issues described by Frantisek Fuka in
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196277
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e, you could e-mail one of them or post a question
asking how you'd get started on it:
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Either way, I think this is a good idea, and I'm glad you volunteered to
do something about it :p
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4. Unless Empathy seamlessly imports all your logs/configuration from
~/.purple/, it's going to be a hassle for people to switch from Pidgin
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I'm not arguing that these packages must never be touched, just that we
need to think long and hard before ripping them out. I'd be much more
swayed by the argument when Empathy starts to realise some of its
game-changing potential.
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[1] http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_vot
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who installed the package (http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_inst.gz), but the
list sorted by number of people who use the package regularly
(http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_vote.gz) should indeed measure actual use.
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small developer base supporting a lot of users submitting bug reports
about making Empathy a better IM client, which would take developer time
away from being creative.
Could you give some examples of existing Ubuntu applications that would
benefit from integrating (lib)empathy?
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Ekiga as the default GNOME
voice/video client in the long-run anyway, so it seems worthwhile to go
through the pain of merging the projects now, rather duplicate each
other's work until you're ready to have a bitter fight on a mailing list
somewhere about which project lives and which die
, it would be possible to fix the broken partition from the GUI, then
reboot (or just remount the filesystem). The downside of that is that
any recent changes would be lost, but the upside is that you'll never
need to sit and watch fsck run.
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mythtv: 1268/13107200 files (13.5% non-contiguous), 23812139/26214400 blocks
tune2fs 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008)
Setting current mount count to 0
# lvremove -f "/dev/$VOLGROUP/$BACKUP"
Logical volume "lvol0" successfully removed
In other words, this worked fine for me. The parti
audacious next time.
Remembering my aforementioned lack of kernel mojo, the biggest problems
I can see with this approach are that it requires Ubiquity to do LVM by
default and to keep a significant chunk of the drive free for snapshots
(off the top of my head, I'd say 1-5% of total disk
Alexander Jones wrote:
> PLEASE redirect your efforts towards online fscking. This whole idea
> is absolutely horrible.
How so?
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partition table to LVM, so this solution would only
work for new installs and systems that already use LVM.
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and decide which filesystem
errors are really important.
I've gone as far as I can go with this idea - if someone with more of a
clue is interested, could you suggest the best way of solving this issue?
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# Check filesystems without rebooting, using LVM
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e-complete by the
28th, how about doing 'fsck ... | tee /var/tmp/fsck.log || mv
/tmp/fsck.log /var/cache/apport.log' in checkfs, then getting apport to
pick up any logs and ask to report them in the usual way? Then we'll
have better data to make a decision with for Intrepid+1.
Good point - make that:
b) if it's to check for dying hardware, it's better replaced by
automated SMART tests (or badblocks for drives too old to support
SMART), with a nice GUI to tell you when your hard drive's about to explode.
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I'm trying to view the new theme but having a problem logging into help! I've
never seen this type of problem before, perhaps someone out there has.
I'm able to login but the credentials at the top-right aren't
displayed properly.
I've attached a screenshot. It may be something that I'm doing.
T
all IEs before IE7,
and an ie7.css that's rendered in all IEs before IE8. IE8 allegedly
won't need its own file of special cases, but it should be obvious how
to extend the technique if you find that's not the case. This technique
is based on that recommended by the IE team for incl
Could you spell out some specific issues that this would solve? For
example, are you looking to avoid two packages overwriting each other's
files in ~/? If so, can you give an example of that happening?
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lution for small projects strikes me as the most
effective use of time in the short-term, because you can get some actual
evidence about the problem domain as you build the program.
Volunteering to convert sendmail.cf to XML isn't something you want to
do right away :)
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This is a bit OT, but you can get e-mails out of just about anything by
apt-getting an IMAP server and uploading your old mail from your client
of anti-choice. It's not exactly a newbie-friendly solution, but it's
how I rescued my e-mails from Outlook back in the day.
ext, text typed in, files sent as attachments.
Hi,
I think it would be important to distinguish between a local cache of a
remote IMAP or CalDAV folder (i.e. Configuration) vs. local mail
folders, calendars, contact lists, etc. (Data).
Cheers,
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hed to each message they send. For example, Bryce could have set
his initial status to "curious", then "helping to diagnose", and finally
"not my problem".
3) Allow users to downgrade all or part of Ubuntu as easily as they can
upgrade.
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they can be informed "you have , users with were n%
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most strongly with downgrades, and use that to help guess which bug
reports are one guy with a dodgy graphics card, and which are something
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is likely to be more common in future. Why not request that "uid=blah"
and "gid=blah" be supported by ext2/3, like it is for vfat?
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and you're more likely to get a positive response if all you're asking
is "please put buttons in these locations that perform these actions".
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tant that other players in the OO.o
game have a good set of actions available to them. Go-oo is one such
action, giving community developers an easier target for adoption of
their code - somewhat analogous to Andrew Morton's branch of Linux.
Go-oo also makes further actions possible - some
setting.
Kernel developers tend to be downright rude in public, laying out why
each others' ideas are stupid, why various distros have terrible
policies, and so on. But things seem to work out fine there, so I don't
see why OO.o can't be the same.
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to me if you prefer. If nobody objects to the survey going ahead, I'll
post again tomorrow asking people to fill the survey out properly.
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> While I'm no Shakespeare, I'm confused with the formulation:
>
>> I'm [somehow confident] that other people would consider these
>> examples of noise.
>
Good point - I've now changed it to "... consider these to be exampl
people would hold back from posting good posts. Further
to the change from Loïc's suggestion, I've now changed the
[confident..not confident] questions to [definitely..definitely not].
Do you think that's enough to let people express themselves?
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the ways I intend to analyse the data. If you're interested, it's at
http://pileofstuff.org/ubuntu-survey/analyses.html
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Thanks to all the people that replied yesterday - the survey should be
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guides about this. If this works, you might want to consider
auto-generating such a list with a bit of Perl that grabs large files in
/var/cache/apt/archives/.
Oh, and fill in the survey: http://pileofstuff.org/ubuntu-survey/ :)
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c-a-f1 instead of c-a-b to get 99% of the value without the risk.
Ubuntu users that really want a shell wouldn't be that inconvenienced,
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tried to respond in the blueprint to suggestions made by people that
replied to my original idea.
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t; and contents like
"post your message on such-and-such list/forum/IRC channel". The
guidance currently available (e.g. at
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/CommunitySupport) focuses too much on
listing all the things *we* do, and not enough on answering the
questions *they* have. A page
find it's best to read the raw data before people's
opinions, so I'll put my comments in a reply to this post.
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us, we know" but more of "Lets see and
collect stats so we can make a more educated decision in the next release"
I don't see this getting resolved until we can collect stats of our own to
prove a direction to move in.
Just my 2cents.
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> your system can only use one default route
> [snip]
> dont waste panel space for confusing information and
> show the most relevant info the user needs to know about.
Have to agree with Oli here. N-M should handle the logic for switching
between different networks but in the tray, only
>
> The VPN indicator lock is sufficient. It does its job of notifying me when
> vpnc
> has disassociated just fine. If only command line vpnc was so lovely.
How does this work currently. I'm unaware as others on this list are too
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can't the user go to add/remove programs to uninstall them if [s]he
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> *When I load up the Application menu, I want to run a particular
> application*. I'm trying to get things done. Interrupting that process to
> search for a package in a package manager, gets nothing accomplished. But if
> I could right click and deal with 90% of the process *from the menu*, my
>
> Anyway, what if the user wants to remove the Freecel game, but want to
> keep the others? That's almost impossible, cause they belong to a single
> package.
>
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+1.
I would say keep the current update workflow but add a line about "click
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applications that were page-faulting like it was going out of style, by
repeatedly reading /proc/[0-9]*/stat. If you're interested in pursuing
this idea yourself, I'd be happy to send along the (C++) code I wrote
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released, so that people can install it in a chroot, and try before they
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? You could use localfs to graft your
real /home in if you wanted. A bit of grub trickery would even let you
boot right into the chroot, with the alpha kernel, when you had enough
free time to give it a go.
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kage can be retrieved
using them.
Maybe we should have some sort of wizard for when a user attempts to
use apport and they don't know the package. E.g. If they know the
problem is in the audio stack but not exactly where. There's still a
lot of relevant information that apport could co
quot; and "giga" by mapping them to "million" and "billion".
Using the longer term meets Scott's criteria, makes Ubuntu more
accessible, and saves us all a bunch of time explaining what a terabyte
is when our parents start getting them. Even in a small
illion bytes" by default, and "MB" where there's a
significant pixel constraint? That explains things to the user of
average curiosity, and doesn't require any terminology they haven't used
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ilobytes in a megabyte.
You'll find they have to think longer and harder to answer the second
question, if they can do it at all. I'm not clear what extra value
"mega" provides that's worth so many wasted cycles.
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erverse type of feature, because it gives a clear indicator that
you're moving into geeky territory.
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bytes, and an average
MP3 was 4 million bytes, he'd be able to do exactly the calculation you
described. With MB and GB, he'll need a pencil and paper no matter how
many times I explain it.
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s. For example,
you'd be as much a fool to reinvent Unicode as you would be to reinvent
libgcrypt. But there's a constant need to evaluate the appropriateness
of individual standards to the task you're working on.
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