@Jeece: The SB Audigy supports HWMIX which should allow you to bypass
the problems most others will experience with only a single application
being able to access the sound device at a time.
I too can confirm that this bug is still present in Hardy, and extremely
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/231651
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/202791
You
Until PortAudio fully supports PulseAudio, perhaps the default Gnome
application launcher should be updated to suspend PulseAudio on Audacity
startup:
pasuspender -- audacity
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Binary package hint: ocfs2-tools
Without the python-vte package the ocfs2console is missing the ability
to "Propogate Configuration" referenced in the online User's Guides.
** Affects: ocfs2-tools (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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** Attachment added: "dmesg output from 8.04 Live CD"
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Creative Webcam model: CT6840
Works fine under the 8.04 Live CD, but when connected to my current 8.10
system it results in the attached dmesg output.
** Affects: linux (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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I can confirm that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70pulseaudio does indeed
forcibly start pulseaudio when starting a Gnome session. The comments
of the file even indicate this was the intent.
This configuration file should respect other settings indicating whether
pulseaudio should or should not start. Th
The timeout change does not seem to work for me, though downgrading to
173 does seem to work. I'm attaching the output from lspci -vv from my
T61p.
As for the X log, I have the following EDID entries in it:
(WW) NVIDIA(0): The EDID for LEN (DFP-0) contradicts itself: mode "1920x1200"
(WW) NVIDIA
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 258357 ***
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This report is covering the same problem (with the same type of system)
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[G86GL] Latest NVIDIA drivers: X hangs with blank screen after logou
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: xinput
Intrepid no longer uses xorg.conf for input definitions (from everything
I can gather), but now relies on information from hal. However, hal
currently doesn't honor the button remapping
[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Logitech_Marblemouse_USB#M
** Attachment added: "xinput-list"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19606957/xinput-list
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Binary package hint: tkpaint
Upstream released a 1.6 version in March of 2000.
** Affects: tkpaint (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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The correct link to the PPA should be:
https://launchpad.net/~mrkanister/+archive
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/164390
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It is possible that an accessibility feature was active at the time,
though I can't say for sure. I do know that they are now disabled and I
am able to utilize templates. Though I have also upgraded to Intrepid
at this point.
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Which mailing list are you referring to?
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Tested from both Nautilus and Rhythmbox. The results are the same. The
title of the error message is slightly different, but the error message
itself is the same either way.
The screenshot attached is from a Nautilus eject. When ejecting from
Rhythmbox, the title is simply: "Unable to eject".
Public bug reported:
Since upgrading to Intrepid (8.10), I've noticed an apparent increase in
system lockups. In each case the screen freezes and the caps lock
indicator is flashing.
I've seen a few other reports indicating similar problems and most seem
to have some relation to the use of wirel
** Attachment added: "dmesg.log"
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I've tried it both ways, end result is the same either way, the command
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I can confirm that Rodney's solution does in fact work. Strange as it
sounds.
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I haven't tried is personally, but wouldn't an X11 forward via SSH give you the
display from kvm even on a headless machine?
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the issue would not be able to be
reproduced as it only seems to occur when the wireless is in use.
On an up note, the mysterious lockups that have plagued my laptop since
upgrading to Intrepid haven't happened in almost a week, possibly two.
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we lockup
or not. Say, once a week or so just to confirm that we have or haven't
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I think our best bet for tracking down any kernel panic like this one is
getting the crashkernel working, unfortunately it appears to be broken
currently:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/364414
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Something of a mixture of the two. I had been running the 32-bit
versions of Ubuntu. Around alpha 5 or 6 of Jaunty I decided to upgrade
the HD in my laptop and figured I'd give the 64-bit version of Jaunty a
shot and keep my previous HD and install available in an external
enclosure (was still ru
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Binary package hint: gnucash
Depending on how gnucash is shut down or the user's session terminated,
a previous gnucash session may not properly clean up its LCK file. When
this happens, gnucash will indicate on the next startup that it can not
open the account files due to
The debdiff showed 0.6.1-0ubuntu6, not 0.6.1-1ubuntu6.
Not sure how you're not finding 0.6.1-0ubuntu5 as it's the current version in
Jaunty.
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/0.6.1-0ubuntu5
I've altered the number in the debdiff to be 0.6.1-0ubuntu5.1 and
attached.
** Attachment adde
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: kvm
Passing the "-smb dir" parameter appears to have no affect. Based on
the man pages and command line help output it should result in the
creation of a network share that can be accessed from within the VM.
According to the kvm man page (man kvm):
DE
** Attachment added: "AllPkgs.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26313708/AllPkgs.txt
** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26313709/BootDmesg.txt
** Attachment added: "CurrentDmesg.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26313710/CurrentDmesg.txt
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I can confirm that this is still a problem with jaunty.
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Binary package hint: rhythmbox
Every time I connect my iPod I'm greeted with a prompt stating:
"Do you want to initialize your iPod?
Rhythmbox has detected a device that is probably an uninitialised or
corrupted iPod. It must be initialised before Rhythmbox can use it, but
** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt"
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** Attachment added: "ProcMaps.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25691503/ProcMaps.txt
** Attachment added: "ProcStatus.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25691504/ProcStatus.txt
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Binary package hint: util-linux
The man page lists additional options not reflected in the command line
--help output, specifically options -d and -l.
$ umount --help
Usage: umount [-hV]
umount -a [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] [-t vfstypes] [-O opts]
umount [-f] [-r] [-n
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I apologize in advance for the length of this post.
@Matthew,
Sorry it's taken so long for me to respond, work and life became a bit
demanding.
> (1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know
> what "study" you're referring to.
While "study" may be the wrong word
Public bug reported:
In attempting to track down a rather elusive kernel panic I've begun
trying to use the kdump facility based on information found here
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/CrashdumpRecipe). However,
attempting to execute the kexec command results in an error that the
crashkerne
** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.txt"
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25806087/BootDmesg.txt
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25806088/CurrentDmesg.txt
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/25806089/Dependencies.txt
** A
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/374696
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Binary package hint: update-manager
Freshly installed Jaunty 9.04.
Waited for Update Manager to auto open in background.
Opened terminal.
Ran "sudo apt-get update".
Update Manager jumped to foreground stealing focus.
This is 100% reproducible.
ProblemType: Bug
Architect
I find it quite novel that the page Paul references[1] has this quote:
"Quick and easy updates
The task bar contains an update area where we'll notify you when there
are updates available for your system, from simple security fixes to a
complete version upgrade. The update facility enables you to
This bug is still present in 9.04.
Selecting previously deselected package daemontools-run.
(Reading database ... 130464 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking daemontools-run (from .../daemontools-run_1%3a0.76-3_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up daemontools
I rebuilt from the sources last night using the debdiff and it appears
to install fine. Haven't actually tried using it yet as I moved the
daemon I was considering running in it into upstart already.
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Reported upstream:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580468
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/363226
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Binary package hint: virt-manager
Attempting to create a qcow2 20G disk for a VM inside a defined libvirt
storage pool results in the following:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/share/virt-manager/virtManager/createvol.py", line 190, in
_async_vol_create
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Periodically the autostart symlink for libvirt-bin's default network is
recreated. This is not expected or desired behavior. I've manually
removed the symlink repeatedly as I've created my own network
definitions that I'd prefer were started instead.
ProblemType: Bug
Archit
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How else do you propose that a user track down hard to reproduce kernel
panics? If there's a better, more preferred method I'm all ears. I've
been dealing with sporadic kernel panics (hard lock with flashing caps
lock) since just after upgrading to 8.10. Trying to track down the root
cause is wh
Public bug reported:
Unmounting several external drives and suspended my laptop. Upon resume
I was prompted to file this bug report by apport.
ProblemType: KernelOops
Annotation: Your system might become unstable now and might need to be
restarted.
Architecture: amd64
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26447263/BootDmesg.txt
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26447264/CurrentDmesg.txt
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26447265/Dependencies.txt
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getut wrote:
>
> Can anyone give a definite answer on how long the gconf command to
> revert to old behavior will be supported going forward?
AFAIK, the gconf method is currently not *supported*. It does work but
it is not a *supported* option. So, I believe we have our answer.
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Based on Brazen's findings I rebuilt with qemu installed, this fixes the
problem I'm seeing. The attached debdiff should accomplish this.
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Is no one else seeing this behavior?
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I see that this report is marked as Incomplete, it appears that this was
done when asking if the problem still occurs in Jaunty. As myself and
others have confirmed it does, I'm changing the status to Confirmed.
** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete => Confirmed
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I think you may have posted to the wrong bug report. There's no mention
of an SRU in this report and the bug you link to is for crackling not
latency/lag.
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@Martin,
I suspect you experience a different issue as you were still able to move the
mouse cursor and did not have a flashing caps lock. Both of these point to a
different type of system lockup. You should probably file a separate bug
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It's Jamin...
All virtual machines and network interfaces were/are created via virt-
manager and libvirt. The host system's network interface is managed by
Network Manager and is normally the wireless interface, though I do
recall testing both wired and wireless for the host.
$ cat /etc/libvirt
As for command line used to launch the VM, they are all started from
within virt-manager, not from the command line.
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288379
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Won't much matter, as far as I can tell the problem exists with the
180.x driver as well.
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l be good.
You can hardly blame Ubuntu, or its developers, for problems with a
closed source driver. Complaints or "mixed feelings" should be directed
at the source of the problem. Which in this case would be nvidia.
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The same as it was under 8.04, English. There do appear to be variants
of English, of which "English (United States)" appears to recognize all
of the words listed here.
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/291174
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** Also affects: gedit (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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Binary package hint: gnome-mount
Since upgrading to 8.10 (Intrepid), every time I eject my iPod I'm
presented with the error message in the attached image. However,
shortly after the error message both volumes are properly unmounted.
Here is the iPod's partition table.
Not
Public bug reported:
After upgrading to 8.10, suspending with a mounted mmc block device,
such as /dev/mmcblk0p1, frequently results in the suspend failing and a
kernel oops that prevents further suspends or automatic powering off of
the system.
Lenovo Thinkpad T61p
Linux thinkpad 2.6.27-7-generi
** Attachment added: "second-suspend.log"
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The attached /etc/pm/sleep.d/ script helps to work around the problem.
Since starting to use this script the problem seems to be completely
corrected.
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https:
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: network-manager-openvpn
In attempting to recreate the VPN definitions that were not imported as
part of 8.04 to 8.10 upgrade I'm finding that an option that was present
in the network manager openvpn client provided with 8.04 is not present
in the version
** Attachment added: "nm-openvpn-config-optional.png"
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295387
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While the option does appear to be missing, I was able to recreate the
VPN connection and establish a connection without it. So, it may no
longer be necessary?
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Binary package hint: gajim
I'm not sure whether this should be filed against Gajim or aspell, or
perhaps even something else. However, I first noticed the problem in
Gajim.
After upgrading to 8.10, I noticed that words that I'm sure where
properly recognized under 8.04 aren
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This doesn't apply only to the Beta. Existing VPN definitions were not
migrated or imported with the upgrade to 8.10.
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Binary package hint: network-manager
- After I did an upgrade to 8.10Beta, all VPN connections are gone from
- the VPN list. NM should be able to rea
Another screenshot illustrating the problem. As you can see from the
screenshot the PATRIOT, 102.2GB, and 17.8 GB devices are no longer
attached yet still shown in the Tree view.
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I was not prompted and the listed items were not present after the
upgrade. I've since dealt with the lack of migration by manually
migrating the necessary information.
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Binary package hint: kvm
Lenovo Thinkpad T61p
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8300 @ 2.40GHz
2.5G RAM
Ubuntu Hardy w/ all updates
Guest machines were created using virt-manager (0.5.3-0ubuntu10). Four
networks defined 2x public (NAT to any physical interface), 2x private.
I had been suffering from the same problem, slow installation of Debian
Etch within a virtual machine and DSC timeouts. However, after
installing the kvm and virt-manager packages from TJ's PPA site (listed
here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=876695) the problem
appears to be completely
Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: ocfs2-tools
The ocfs2-tools package creates a startup link at /etc/rcS.d/S65ocfs2.
However, the ocfs2 filesystem is (as I understand it) intended for use
as a network shared file system. A common way to accomplish this is
through the use of iSCSI. The s
I can confirm Adam Simpkins' assessment of the situation in comment 151.
VMWare is definitely clearing the keyboard map upon focus and failing to
reset it if you can move the mouse out of the window with CTRL held
down. I can reproduce this 100% of the time.
Ubuntu 8.04.1 (fully updated)
VMWare P
It appears that the problem has gotten worse with the Hardy release.
While I've made the gconf changes necessary in Gutsy to get the icon to
display and those changes are still present in the current gconf
configuration on Hardy, the icon does not display. The ssh keys do
still appear to get cache
I've been annoyed by this same behavior since upgrading to Hardy. Note:
this is happening with the x86 (32-bit) version as well.
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I'm unable to replicate this problem with a fresh varkon installation
under the current release, Hardy (8.04)
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Binary package hint: varkon
Ubuntu 8.04
varkon 1.18A-3ubuntu2
It appears that varkon does not create a menu entry upon installation.
Checking the package does reveal a /usr/share/menu/varkon file, but the
sections referenced in this file appear to be for the older Debian me
I can consistently reproduce this problem with pages such as:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/16/hp_xp_sp3_amd/
This has become such a problem that I've taken to installing Flashblock
just to be able to utilize the browser.
** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu)
Status: Incomplete => Co
** Changed in: varkon (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Incomplete
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Varkon CAD dependency problem
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/176998
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Changing state back to new as I too am seeing what appear to be memory
leaks with multiple applets (weather and cpufreq currently)
** Summary changed:
- memory leak in weather applet
+ memory leak in applets
** Changed in: gnome-applets (Ubuntu)
Status: Invalid => New
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memory leak in
** Attachment added: "Reduced memory usage after killing the process."
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16729678/cpufreq-small.png
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memory leak in applets
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/79414
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On a different system I noticed that gweather-applet-2 was reporting
usage of around 55MB. Granted the system does have two instances of the
applet running. However, after killing the process and allowing it to
restart, it's now only reporting about 17 MB used, a significant
difference.
It shoul
** Attachment added: "Screenshot of cpufreq-applet using entirely too much
memory."
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16729673/cpufreq-large.png
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memory leak in applets
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/79414
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Public bug reported:
Binary package hint: openoffice.org
I've seen similar bug reports to this, but each of the others I've found
(77441, 133532, and 193097) have been listed as "Fix Released".
I am unable to create a new document from template. Any and all
attempts to do so, result in OOo cras
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