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Marking as Opinion and removing assignment since this needs design.
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Yes, please resolve this until Precise. This thing have been with us for
almost three years now!
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I have a thought.
With unity coming up there will be quite a lot of space saved with the
nifty global menu and the housing of the window buttons on the top
panel.
Essentially, the titlebar disappearing on maximize causes the search bar
in firefox (and many other apps, actually) to be right smack
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What about this position?
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Jan: I believe the origin of the gap was to ensure that any window
manager icons were still easily visible. Now that the default theme has
the bubble semi-transparent and the default window-manager icons moved
to the left-hand side this is probably less of an issue. It is of
course intention, but
in Lucid with elementary installed everything was fine. the notification
shows just under the panel and if volume is changed the notification
goes under the volume notification.
i don't like the bubbles with that space to the panel, it verytime looks
like a bug to me.
is it so complicated to chan
Barry, I completely agree with your points, but I feel as though I
should direct you to the Ayatana mailing list to discuss this issue.
It's been mentioned above that a discussion over this "design decision"
should be brought up on the mailing list. You seem to be quite active in
it Ayatana list, s
BTW, there is a model of an application that I think does notification-
like positioning really well. Mail Act-On is a third party add on for
Mail.app on OS X. Its results window is positionable through a
preference pane option. When you click on the "Show results window"
button in the preferenc
AFAICT, only gravity 1 (NE) and 2 (E) actually do anything. All other
gravity values just squash the notifications to the NE (upper right).
The central misunderstanding behind the decision to fix the osd bubble
and not provide configurability is that you know how a user is using
their desktop. E
I'm not even using a netbook. My display is 1080I
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Finog wrote:
> Just disabled Pidgin's notifications because they:
> (a) stayed around forever
> (b) their positioning occluded parts of my tiny netbook screen that I was
> using
> I must say I don't understand y
Just disabled Pidgin's notifications because they:
(a) stayed around forever
(b) their positioning occluded parts of my tiny netbook screen that I was using
I must say I don't understand your rationale. The choice of notification space
blocks content with which I am working.
This is definitely de
The two tier notification system looks particularly bad on smaller
netbook screens. Please consider a less intrusive option for smaller
screens such as putting all notifications at the top.
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Why are we avoiding covering search bars when we're now covering
*content*? This actually blocks out what people are *reading* or
interacting with and is still called a usability enhancement? At least
in the corner, it covers as little of what people might be reading or
interacting with as possible
@ValentinV
It will be available in the same PPA
(https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/updates/+packages) in a couple of hours.
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Julien or someone else could you please create a .deb file that will
bring back the jaunty notifications for lucid ... the current one are
hurting my eyes and the .deb file for karmic isn`t working on lucid :|
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I actually would agree with the above comment. I thought some of the
reasoning behind this was that it was covering up Firefox stuff. With
this new placement, though, it's covering up more space than it was
before. I even have a custom-css'ed UI that minimizes the space used by
the top and this pos
I have no idea why this is listed as a "wish list" item.
I would list it as critical for being able to use the computer for more
than giggles and gossip.
This may be great for twits (users of twitter) and folks just looking
for entertainment.
As for being able to anything else on here it is just
Aesthetically speaking the fixed slot-allocation schema is, shall we
say, less than perfect, as I'm sure has already been stated ad
infinitum. How about moving asynchronous notifications (i.e. new mail
and instant message notifications) to the bottom-right corner whilst
maintaining synchronous noti
Problem still exists in Lucid.
For most widescreens (16:10 and 16:9), which are becoming more and more
popular, this does still cover the firefox searchbar which was apparently the
reason for lowering the notifications.
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I should be suprised by these things, but i'm not anymore.
They seem to think that we report bugs like this from a sort of theoretical
point of view.
Not just because it annoys us.
Here's a solution:
- pop up a message the first time somebody has a notification, explaining
why it's so ugly.
The default positioning in 9.10 screams "broken" to me. I was almost
certain some app was wrong about my screen resolution and was mis-
placing the bubbles. I never would have dreamed it was a design
decision.
That said, "less customization" *is* definitely the way to go for the
masses. Less is mo
Just wanted wanted to chime in on a couple of the reasons for the OSD
position decision noted in # 34...
* sliding things around when something else grows is really bad, it is
unpredictable and frustrating for a user trying to look at the thing that
suddenly moves, so:
- synchronous should
SilverWave, install notification-daemon and remove notify-osd:
sudo aptitude install notification-daemon notify-osd-
If this wants to remove packages (excluding those starting with lib),
abort the process and run "sudo aptitude unmarkauto " for
them. Then retry it.
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- Currently the notify-osd notifications allot space for the volume
- control/brightness semi-notifications; this is rather jarring when the
- volume/brightness isn't being adjusted, unlike in Jaunty where
- application notifications def
i am not buying that this was a design decision; no one with a sense of
design or the capacity to see things through eyes would sign off on
this. please just cop to the fact that there's some bug preventing the
notifications from being drawn in the right place.
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>>The following packages will be REMOVED:
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>SilverWave: Remove Notify-OSD.
Well I would prefer to run a standard desktop and just have this fixed
but if I do as you have suggested I get this:
Additional changes required:
To Be Removed
gnome-power-manager
ubuntu-desktop
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That does not look good.
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This report is quickly turning into a catchall bug for "everything
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to keep comments
SilverWave: Remove Notify-OSD. You will get the EXACT behavior that you
want. I don't understand why you are sticking with Notify-OSD when there
is clearly a system for you that has been in use for some time.
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>Because you aren't supposed to dismiss it.
>The notifications are supposed to be sufficiently out of the way that they do
>not interrupt your workflow.
OK they are not and they do. (Less so when set to display right center)
>You just leave them there.
I should have the ch
If you remove notify-osd, then you get notifications similar to many of
the scenarios described with the legacy notification system
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> What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying
> to interact with is located below the close button?
Mmm...You're right...
Maybe the notification could unblur when shift or control is hold?
Like this, by default the notification would be completely click-proof but when
>What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying to
>interact with is located below the close button?
You could either locate the close-button somewhere else (like on the gnome
panel just above) or dismiss all queing notifications when a close-button is
clicked.
I also th
I would like to see mumbles project working on karmic and also to be in
active development because it gives more customization
but the default should be as it is (in JAUNTY not at all as in KARMIC)
... and if we have alternatives for those that like tinkering then that
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> Actually I kinda like the fact that the notification is just a notification
> and you can click trough it.
> Maybe a close button could be a good idea though.
>
What happens when the regular part of your interface that you are trying to
interact with is located below the close button? You woul
Actually I kinda like the fact that the notification is just a notification and
you can click trough it.
Maybe a close button could be a good idea though.
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> What kind of usability study could possibly have thought this is a good
> idea?
>
> Look it notifies you of its message right? - Good!
> But...
> Then you go to dismiss it and it does not close! How frustrating.
> But its actually worse because it does not even let you click the damn
> thing!
>
OK as a workaround I can confirm that manually setting gconf-key "/apps
/notify-osd/gravity" to "2" sets it to display at Right-Center.
I still don't like it, it is intrusive and does not work in an intuitive manor,
but at least I am not pulling my hair out over it.
This is _not_ a paper cut, th
Waldir, you should not get any notifications if you've the chat-
application focused.
Nick, discussing user-interaction rationale on bugs is not very helpful.
This is very off-topic looking at the initial bug-description anyway.
This should happen on the ayatana mailing-list. The reasoning for why
Mirco Müller schrieb:
> The reason for limiting the amount of on-screen notifications at anyone
> time, is to protect the user from notification-spam.
>
> Ongion, notifications you consider to not meant to be passive-only,
> should really be proper dialogs (see
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Notificatio
So maybe you could limit it to five simultaneous messages, or something.
Just yesterday I went through this annoying situation, when I was chatting
with a friend on Pidgin. We were sending messages to each other on a really
quick pace, and notify-osd wasn't picking up. Then he left and almost a
m
The reason for limiting the amount of on-screen notifications at anyone
time, is to protect the user from notification-spam.
Ongion, notifications you consider to not meant to be passive-only,
should really be proper dialogs (see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines).
The differen
I don't know about anyone else, but I've resorted to just using
notification-daemon again. I can't stand notify-osd. Even though using
notification-daemon solves my problem, there is no reason why I should
have to use it anyway. I liked the look of the new notifications. But
I use Pidgin a lot,
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Waldir Leoncio
wrote:
> Now the only thing still annoying me is the fact that the notifications
> won't accumulate on the screen. It's really weird to have an action happen
> on your computer right now and notify-osd only alerting you about it 10, 20
> seconds lat
Now the only thing still annoying me is the fact that the notifications
won't accumulate on the screen. It's really weird to have an action happen
on your computer right now and notify-osd only alerting you about it 10, 20
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Adrian: Nothing's stopping you. Growl is BSD, so go ahead and port it to
Linux, I'm sure lots of people will be glad you did. But Notify-OSD's
purpose is not to be just like Growl, it's supposed to be an out-of-the-
way, simple notification system, no bells and whistles. While I strongly
urge Mr. S
I recently played around with Growl [1] on my Mac and I have to say it's
way more behaving the one would expect it than notify-osd. I can
thoroughly configure it and it provides all kinds of nice themes. The
best thing would be a port or clone of Growl to Linux IMHO.
Adrian
[1] http://www.growl.
Thanks Julien! The "bug" was really annoying.
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Another side effect of the aesthetically curious decision with regards
to stacks of notifications.
Previously, an application elegantly provided stacks of notifications
via MacSlow's most impressive scrolling implementation and they
dissolved in time according to their arrival.
Now, the notificat
I understand Shuttleworth's argument, but I disagree. I don-t have
hotkeys for volume on my desktop, and I never change brightness. In
other words, I never see volume or brightness notifications, and every
single notification I see seems out of place. I seriously doubt I'm the
only one. For this re
I've recently coded a patch which allows changing between fixed (async
notifications show a fixed distance below the top) and dynamic (the
first notification always shows up on top) slot allocation by means of a
gconf key ("/apps/notify-osd/slot-allocation") where 0 is no allocation
(I think defaul
Also, another tought I had is to leave Gconf keys for setting
postiion/orientation/gravity of notify-osd.
This way I think that everyone is going to be pleased. Newcomers would
enjoy the results of Ayatana guidelines, and advanced users can aways
use gconf-editor to change the default behavior. In
>
> @scott-armitage This sounds great. Before you post to Ayatana mailing
> list, post a draft here. Maybe we can help with ideas.
Sure thing.
-S
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The funny thing is that the developers think they know new users better
than other users do. Perhaps unknown to them, many of us have friends
and are aware of what users look for. It's pretty clear that the
developers do not.
Whatever happened to the community approach?
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*#5. The developers says that it's more important that notify-os makes sense
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*
The first reaction of a college-mate of me (who has always runned KDE) when
I showed him the "new ubuntu" was "*Hey, the notifications are misplaced,
@scott-armitage This sounds great. Before you post to Ayatana mailing
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> @sfantu: Thanks for the answer. Yes, I am aware of the patch provided by
> Julien and I thank him for that. I am currently using the patch.
> However, as I am to understand from comment #55 (
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-
> osd/+bug/438536/comments/55 ), if a new "official"
@sfantu: Thanks for the answer. Yes, I am aware of the patch provided by
Julien and I thank him for that. I am currently using the patch.
However, as I am to understand from comment #55 (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-
osd/+bug/438536/comments/55 ), if a new "official" version is
at #5: I know this is not representative but: There were two of my
friends I brought to Ubuntu last weekend. One of them asked me, if some
settings were wrong with that and if I could correct it. (I did not
ubgrade to karmic by then, so I tjought it were the settings, too). I
just asked the second,
Cristian the configuration option was already provided by julien. we all
so called old users thanks him for that.
if i`m old at 6 month in Ubuntu then
There should be made a sticky thread in Ubuntu forums telling "old" users where
to find this patch and the problem should be resolved .
If th
Cristian the configuration option was already provided by julien. we all
so called old users thanks him for that.
if i`m old at 6 month in Ubuntu then
There should be made a sticky thread in Ubuntu forums telling "old" users where
to find this patch and the problem should be resolved .
If th
Having read this head to tail I see that the discussion is becoming
repetitive and not bringing nothing new, I think we should push it into
a more constructive direction. I will summarize the most important
points that have been said and add my 2 cents.
#1. The "old" notify-osd version had no clea
I agree with ex-oficio. The notification should just be a stack. Actually, I
thought it was a bug because I was using the beta release.
Maybe some notifications, like volume or brightness, could have more important
priority, so that if they are thrown after a simple notification (like one of
Rhy
Thanks julien much better with the script
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the changes to notifications as compared to jaunty are a seriously
retrograde step. i have just installed juliens fantastic package to fix
this bug and it really is so much better. the correct behaviour should
be that all passive notifications appear in the corner with existing
notifications moving
Everybody keeps saying that sliding notifications is wrong, but looking at
the sample somebody else posted:
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253
I don't think its annoying or anything at all. I think it looks very nice. I
think this would be the best way to solve this problem.
Groeten, Dav
I would like to make a suggestion and consider the points that were
addressed by Marc. Main point for me is that notifications should appear
in a corner. And imo the notifications look quite misplaced currently.
Also I would rather not be able to see the window decoration for a
second than the wind
A lot of people say they don't understand the decision to not allow
customization of this; the main point Mark has tried to drive home on this
point (regardless of whether you or I agree with it or not) is that
customizability significantly complicates testing, increases the risk of
bugs in the tes
> I don't understand why there couldn't at least be a gconf key for this.
> It would be out the way for "new users" so I don't see any problem with that.
I can't agree more.
For me, Linux has always been about customization. I understand that
default settings are made for new users, but there sho
Just installed Karmic, and considered that this was a bug. I don't like
it at all -- having notifications occasionally slide is much less
jarring than dislocated notifications.
Most new users will just consider this to be sloppy work, it wouldn't
occur to them that this was "by design".
Been usin
I have been thinking about desktop effects and how they're set up:
Metacity just has a simple None/Normal/Extra setting for those that just
want to use the computer. But if someone wants more out of their
desktop, they install compiz and the settings manager. I have my focus
follow the mouse, and
I don't understand why there couldn't at least be a gconf key for this.
It would be out the way for "new users" so I don't see any problem with
that.
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You're right about that. For example, one of the things my family most
enjoy about Ubuntu is that it allows them to tinker with the desktop,
specially the Gnome Panel. I've heard more than once they
say something like "cool, I can choose where I put the clock and the start
(sic) menu. I couldn't
@poofyyoda: While I agree with your concern, your little freak-out
there didn't really add much to the conversation, and the tone/language
you used seriously detracted from a civil conversation. Hopefully you
don't behave that way in face-to-face conversations; please try to
refrain from doing so
Wow, WTF are the developers smoking?
Seriously this is the most retarded 'usability' design change ever made.
"Reduce Customisation" - what a joke. Ubuntu is quickly dissolving into a
solely new user oriented disaster.
A good OS is one where both new users and expert users alike can feel
comfor
Seems that no matter where you put them, you will be hiding content.
Keeping them in a single location does enhance predictability for a
casual audience.
MacSlow's code works tremendously well at quickly hiding the bubbles via
pass through.
As it stands now, it is a rather unfortunate decision th
https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/436975/comments/17
There is the gconf-key for gravity you can set to influence the positioning of
the bubbles. Use these commands to set the key:
(for East-gravity, right edge and vertically centered)
gconftool-2 -s /apps/notify-osd/gravity -t int 1
for
I liked the fact that all of the adjustments (brightness, sound, etc.)
were also ephemeral and out of the way.
I find those ways kind of annoying, personally. MacOS pops up those huge
boxes right in my face when I use an Apple machine, and I find it very
much in the way.
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This is how it is done in GNOME, and was done in Ubuntu before
NotifyOSD, as shown in
http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2008/05/eeepc_s_hotkeys/
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430649
http://www.ubuntudaily.com/2007/02/20/update-on-the-new-gnome-volume-control/
This seems very r
I agree with Martin and Luis. If we are fundamentally differentiating
between these two types of alerts -- which I agree does make sense, just not
the way it is being done at present -- then it would certainly seem
reasonable for e.g. screen brightness, volume, etc. to be located in the
middle of t
I agree with Martin Ling. Lower corner, lower middle or middle of the
screen would be sensitive choices for synchronous messages. Moving them
to any of these locations would prevent them from messing up with async
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Here's a question, which I've yet to see a good answer for:
What are the synchronous notifications doing in that corner in the first
place?
The rationale for putting asynchronous notifications (what the NotifyOSD
spec calls "notification bubbles") in a corner is obvious, and clearly
stated in the
Really good job with the PPA :D
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great thanks for the inputs Scott and Julien!
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Le dimanche 25 octobre 2009 à 11:44 +, Scott Armitage a écrit :
> So, short answer to your question, is that yes, you will get updates to
> NotifyOSD; note, however, that you will lose the changes that were made in
> the PPA version.
Yes, but I used also this PPA. So if notify-osd is updated,
Jatin, the current build in the Ubuntu repos is `notify-osd -
0.9.24-0ubuntu1', while Julien's build is `notify-osd -
0.9.24-0ubuntu2~gilir1'.
Any upstream-syncs will bump the version number to 0.9.25 or 0.9.24.1, at
which point they will take precedence over the PPA version. If a newer
release is
How does growl do it without leaving a gap?
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I am planning to install the patch but one question about the patch - is
it going to interfere with notify-osd updates in the future? OR Will the
behavior get overwritten when a new update comes?
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Thank you Julien for the patch; I'm in the same boat with the rest of
you, the very first thing I thought was that the notifications were
being misplaced on the screen and that there must be a bug in notify-
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