> From: Tom Limoncelli [mailto:t...@whatexit.org]
>
> The real issue here is that we manage machines wrong. The fact that
> sysadmins say things like, "if I had more than a few machines I'd set
> up Puppet/Chef/CfEngine" should be considered a bug.
Thanks everyone for your help. Fact is, I'm a c
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Will Dennis wrote:
> Didn't you have a relatively DevOps type of job at Google, Tom?
Only in that Google SRE embodied DevOps principles before they were
called DevOps. ...but, again, I can't take credit for inventing any of
that.
> You may be
> the closest thing
What I meant was
Your name (because it' s your quote, right?)
#devops because it has to do with infrastructure as code
I was lucky enough to hear about the free Kindle edition giveaway of The
Phoenix Project and downloaded it - it's a great read and incorporates all the
tenants of Devops (at
On 04/22/2013 12:49 PM, Matthew Barr wrote:
On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
I've been waiting for at least a decade now for a Linux distribution to pick
one of the CMs out there and just
start supporting using said CM as the default way to manage their distribution.
It see
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Will Dennis wrote:
> All we need is “#devops” and Tom’s name at the end… T-shirts should be
> issued J
I don't know what Will means. I'm not the poster boy for DevOps. I
think it's great but I think I'm an innovator in that area. (By the
way... some of the actu
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Mark McCullough wrote:
>
> On 2013 Apr 22, at 16:36 , Brian Mathis wrote:
> > Say what you will about them, but Microsoft realized this was a problem
> with INI files a long time ago and migrated to the registry. You may
> scoff, and one could say that early *impl
On 2013 Apr 22, at 16:36 , Brian Mathis wrote:
> Say what you will about them, but Microsoft realized this was a problem with
> INI files a long time ago and migrated to the registry. You may scoff, and
> one could say that early *implementations* of the registry left something to
> be desire
Another problem with vendor support of CM systems is that as a sysadmin,
I'd probably rather use Puppet to manage all of my Red Hat, Ubuntu, and
Solaris machines, rather than using Puppet for Red Hat, Chef for Ubuntu,
and Cfengine for Solaris.
That's not an obstacle to vendors picking a default CM
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
>
> I've been waiting for at least a decade now for a Linux distribution to
> pick one of the CMs out there and just
> start supporting using said CM as the default way to manage their
> distribution. It seems like the commercial distribution
On 2013-04-22 20:49, Matthew Barr wrote:
Well, RH is starting to focus on Puppet
I also noticed the minimal install of SLES includes Puppet.
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oliver.
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On Apr 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote:
> I've been waiting for at least a decade now for a Linux distribution to pick
> one of the CMs out there and just
> start supporting using said CM as the default way to manage their
> distribution. It seems like the commercial distributions
>
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Tom Limoncelli wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
>
>
> The real issue here is that we manage machines wrong. The fact that
> sysadmins say things like, "if I had more than a few machines I'd set
> up Puppet/Chef/CfEngine" shou
All we need is "#devops" and Tom's name at the end... T-shirts should be
issued J
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On Behalf Of unix_fan
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:39 PM
Cc: t...@lopsa.org
Subject: Re: [lopsa-tech] Version controlling permission sensi
>
>
Will Dennis writes:
Tom Limoncelli writes:
>[snip]
>QOTD:
>"Editing a file in /etc directly 'by hand' should be an obscure art done
>to teach internals or to scare children on Halloween."
>
>+1
Love ya, Tom. :-)
> The real issue here is that we manage machines wrong. The fact that
> sysadmins say things like, "if I had more than a few machines I'd set
> up Puppet/Chef/CfEngine" should be considered a bug. We should be
> using configuration management as the default. Everything should be
> done via CM.
QOTD:
"Editing a file in /etc directly 'by hand' should be an obscure art done
to teach internals or to scare children on halloween."
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From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org]
On Behalf Of Tom Limoncelli
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:36
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
wrote:
>> From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Dave Close
>>
>> Ned Harvey wrote:
>>
>> >Question is: What do you use to version control permission sensitive
>> >files?
>>
>> What's th
> From: tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:tech-boun...@lists.lopsa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dave Close
>
> Ned Harvey wrote:
>
> >Question is: What do you use to version control permission sensitive
> >files?
>
> What's the matter with the old tried-and-true RCS? It keeps both
> permissions and t
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