Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Cantrell
More good nuggets from ruby.mn Jonathan Dahl writes: One point that I didn't notice in your email: configuration vs. convention. Rails makes a conscious choice to support convention over configuration, and this is a major part of the Rails "flavor". There are no XML configuration files

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Cantrell
Tom Brice of ruby.mn informs me that Ruby's default "ERB" templating approach, in which the templates are fully executable code, is not the only approach: Rails does not have to use the erb templates. There are options they are just not shipped with rails try these links: http://redhanded.

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Konstantin Ignatyev
I thought it would be appropriate in the thread to repost my old post. >>> There is also pretty long discussion regarding RoR on TSS: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=37121 Let me post here few excerpts from the discussion: + Bruce Tate : For at lea

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Konstantin Ignatyev
Excellent post Paul! I would like to add on the topic of Java being boring and Ruby is all about fun: - It really depends on somebody's goals – if somebody's focus on the process of creating an application then then Ruby is a winner ( or any toy for that matter); -

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Edward Scanzano
Agreed. Nicely said. E - Original Message From: Darío Vasconcelos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tapestry users Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2006 8:34:10 AM Subject: Re: Ruby vs Tapestry Excellent post Paul! Very well balanced, sticks to facts, hits a lot of important points... maybe you

RE: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread James Carman
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:25 AM To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: Ruby vs Tapestry Interesting discussion, but I don't think anybody has hit on the really important stuff yet. Those more knowledgable can correct me if I'm wrong: *** Rails is based on a dynamically typed languag

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Darío Vasconcelos
Excellent post Paul! Very well balanced, sticks to facts, hits a lot of important points... maybe you should convert it into a blog/wiki entry, I think it would be helpful to a lot of people... Dario On 3/7/06, Paul Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting discussion, but I don't think a

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Paul Cantrell
Interesting discussion, but I don't think anybody has hit on the really important stuff yet. Those more knowledgable can correct me if I'm wrong: *** Rails is based on a dynamically typed language (Ruby), Tapestry on a statically typed one (Java) with a dynamically typed template languag

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-07 Thread Peter Svensson
Then again, trails (Tapestry on rails) is getting more and more features each month (if you're using subversion checkout) https://trails.dev.java.net/ Cheers, PS On 3/7/06, Craig Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is of course also Groovy to look at. I've used Ruby and > > Groovy and G

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Craig Turner
There is of course also Groovy to look at. I've used Ruby and Groovy and Groovy seems to be a bit better (well, at least in terms of what libraries are available, you can use the standard Java API for example and as a result any other Java library) Groovy looks cool because it has closures,

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Gary Pampara
Woops :) Also to add to the discussion is Grails (Groovy on Rails) Gary Pampara wrote: There is of course also Groovy to look at. I've used Ruby and Groovy and Groovy seems to be a bit better (well, at least in terms of what libraries are available, you can use the standard Java API for examp

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Gary Pampara
There is of course also Groovy to look at. I've used Ruby and Groovy and Groovy seems to be a bit better (well, at least in terms of what libraries are available, you can use the standard Java API for example and as a result any other Java library) Performance is also a bit better than ruby.

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Nick Faiz
Hi, I am not a Ruby expert but have messed about it with it, and with RoR. Ruby doesnt seem to be enterprise ready. There are sites like Basecamp, etc., which handle an enterprise load, certainly. On the other hand, there are Ruby libraries like rexml which simply don't seem to perform.

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Adam Zimowski
I think your question should be adjusted: Ruby on Rails vs. Tapestry Tapestry without Java is nothing. Much like Ruby by itself is not going to help you with your web project. On 3/6/06, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can't really compare them. Ruby is a programming language, Ta

Re: Ruby vs Tapestry

2006-03-06 Thread Jesse Kuhnert
You can't really compare them. Ruby is a programming language, Tapestry is a java web application framework. The idiosyncracies between languages alone limit the ability to draw any useful comparisons. The only general argument I can think of is that "java" has a lot more robust enterprise sort of