Then again, trails (Tapestry on rails) is getting more and more features
each month (if you're using subversion checkout)
https://trails.dev.java.net/

Cheers,
PS

On 3/7/06, Craig Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There is of course also Groovy to look at. I've used Ruby and
> > Groovy and Groovy seems to be a bit better (well, at least in terms
> > of what libraries are available, you can use the standard Java API
> > for example and as a result any other Java library)
>
> Groovy looks cool because it has closures, something I constantly
> miss in java. Another thing to add to my list..
>
> Edward, regarding Ruby on Rails it's not a direct comparison to
> tapestry as tapestry is a templating engine whereas RoR is a
> collection of tools useful for creating web applications. I haven't
> used RoR but follow news and comment on web app architectures
> closely. It gets an absolute panning in a recent article here:
> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.309321.8 One
> thing that I read again and again is that the bundled database
> backend is not strong.
>
> If you're interested in the idea of Ruby on Rails, you might find
> turbogears interesting (turbogears.org). It was developed with a
> similar motivation as RoR - throw a bundle of existing tools together
> to create a convenient package. The SQL backend appears to be more
> powerful. Turbogears is written on top of python. I've only done a
> bit with it and don't yet have a good feel how it stacks up against
> tapestry, but all the things I want addressed in tapestry 3 (which I
> use) appear to have been improved in tapestry 4, so I'm not sure how
> it could turn out to be an improvement :) Tapestry's html/page/java
> separation has made it particularly effective for developing large
> complicated web systems. I suspect less structured systems will decay
> once a page in a web application gets to a moderate level of
> complexity. This sort of thing happens quickly if you're trying to
> keep the number of page clicks a user does down. But I'm still
> playing with the templating system in tg and might find a way to eat
> those words.
>
>    - C
>
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