Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

On 12/2/23 11:13, stevea wrote: On Feb 11, 2023, at 3:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 05:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: A wetland is a land area that is saturated with water, either permanently or seasonally” But does "seasonally" include "maybe once every 20 years"

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

sent and future. Today, it is prudent to be forward-looking, even if tagging we might craft is only preparatory in nature. On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 12/2/23 11:13, stevea wrote: On Feb 11, 2023, at 3:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sun, 12 Feb

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

ve plant life. Another Australian link https://wetlandinfo.des.qld.gov.au/resources/static/pdf/resources/fact-sheets/profiles/new-profiles/29113-05-arid-swamps-web.pdf On Feb 11, 2023, at 2:07 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. T

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

On 14/2/23 08:12, Andy Mabbett wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 10:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. Are they also known by some other name? I ask because I can find no papers about the phenomenon, by that name, on Google Scholar

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

On 16/2/23 14:56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Problem: there are 3+ tags for areas of mostly grass with sometimes overlapping meaning, in 2 different keys (landuse=meadow, natural=grassland, landuse=grass) You have forgotten at least one - landuse=farmland, crop=grass. However while landuse=mea

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

On 16/2/23 04:54, Greg Troxel wrote: Andrew Davidson writes: On 15/2/23 02:00, Greg Troxel wrote: For wetlands, the definitions in the US: https://www.fws.gov/media/classification-wetlands-and-deepwater-habitats-united-states Which is: In general terms, wetlands are lands where satur

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the description leaving the use ... "Used to tag an area of land used for hay (meadow) or for grazing animals (pasture)." That would

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

On 17/2/23 12:13, Matija Nalis wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 21:07:22 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. These will not be found in Europe, just as you don’t find deserts there. They have occasional water, not seasonal, not yearly bu

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

On 19/2/23 10:23, Matija Nalis wrote: On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 21:08:17 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 17/2/23 12:13, Matija Nalis wrote: I see few options. If it happens more regularly, map as: - If it happens more regularly, map as: natural=wetland + intermittent=yes - i

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - landcover proposal V2

On 19/2/23 06:00, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 17, 2023, 11:03 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 16/2/23 21:11, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Feb 16, 2023, 10:18 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: landuse=meadow should delete the vegetation in the descripti

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=trailhead

On 23/2/23 21:18, Peter Elderson wrote: I would like to change the status of this established tag to approved. I have altered the previous proposal to match the established practice. No, it has not been 'approved' so it would

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

On 23/2/23 11:29, Andrew Harvey wrote: Actually thinking about this in the context of the scenario at https://github.com/graphhopper/graphhopper/issues/2757#issuecomment-1435081431 I think we need a tagging solution to indicate that bicycle/foot may bypass the gate rather than having to travel

Re: [Tagging] Combining "locked=yes" with various access tags

On 24/2/23 10:39, Greg Troxel wrote: Niels Elgaard Larsen writes: We have to accept that the tagging is never complete. And when surveying, it is often easier to tag "locked" than "access" (we can se the lock or try to open the gate but there are often no signs). So the tagging might reflect

Re: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service

On 10/3/23 18:46, stevea wrote: A most excellent suggestion, hanser, and at first glance, a well-structured OSM thrust forward for this concept: I am enthusiastic. Please keep up this sort of good communication! Just yesterday I left off of our Caltrain wiki [1] the so-called "6-trains" on

Re: [Tagging] Rail replacement bus service

On 11/3/23 05:45, stevea wrote: On Mar 10, 2023, at 3:04 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ...they can last for several years. In the case of Caltrain, they are an essentially-permanent feature of the train service, as passenger rail shutdowns (anticipated or not) happen "frequently enough" (n

Re: [Tagging] Slate roof tiles

Slate in comparison to a rood tile is flat and not of a uniform dimension. Roof tiles can be made of terracotta, fired glazed clay or concrete- They are made to a uniform pattern that overlaps and keys in to the other tiles. On 11/3/23 10:49, Timothy Noname wrote: They overlap a lot, less t

Re: [Tagging] sport=inline_hockey a good value ?

Would not both roller and inline skate hockey sports be played on the same court? If so then sport=skate_hockey with skate=inline;roller Interesting that 'skate' has one organizing body https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Skate On 3/4/23 10:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Mon, 3 Ap

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

On 14/4/23 08:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 at 03:06, Tod Fitch wrote: the toll roads in my area. They are, I believe, owned by a toll road authority Owned, or leased? Around here, toll roads & bridges are built by the Govt, using public funds, then the actua

Re: [Tagging] roof:shape=pitched imprecise value ?

On 21/4/23 05:58, Marc_marc wrote: Hello, is roof:shape=pitched an imprecise value ? I'm not a english naative but for me it could be : mono-pitech roof roof:shape=skillion duble-piteched roof roof:shape=gabled 'Pitched' is not among the 'normal' values on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w

[Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

HI The tag government=emergency presently is undefined on the wiki which could lead to misuse. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Agovernment%3Demergency As I understand it this should only be used with office=government. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:government https://wik

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

On 15/5/23 17:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 15 May 2023, at 09:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Tag it with office=government + government=emergency. " One of 'my' cases are "Fire Control Centres" where directions are giv

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

e third case use as a response base feels like emergency=ses_station. Sometimes there are facilities that do all three.  There is a federal facility in New England that is at least both 2&3 and surely they must do 1. Overall I think I'm agreeing with Warin

Re: [Tagging] Area of young trees - saplings

On 17/5/23 00:38, Dave F via Tagging wrote: That appears to be for commercial purposes. According to the wiki. The proposal had no such limitation. I would use it. These samplings are 'out in the wild' planted in a publicly accessible field. Some plant nurseries are for use by the organiz

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

On 16/5/23 19:08, Marc_marc wrote: Hello, Le 16.05.23 à 00:22, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : suggestion of office=government + government=transportation + emergency=control_centre - there are 2 main keys (office and emergency), inevitably some objects will have only one of the 2 and this wil

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

On 16/5/23 19:00, Marc_marc wrote: Hello, Le 15.05.23 à 09:13, Warin a écrit : clear definition Possibly something like "Used to mark the office of an emergency organization,  where administration, planning and control is performed. add government somewhere in the def :) if not, th

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

On 18/5/23 07:48, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2023 at 18:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: emergency=control_centre/administration ??? That was the plan! emergency=control_centre for the place where disaster / emergency responses are controlled / co-ordinate

Re: [Tagging] Tag government equals emergency defintion

On 19/5/23 21:20, Marc_marc wrote: Le 17.05.23 à 09:20, Warin a écrit : On 16/5/23 19:08, Marc_marc wrote: - some centres are not governmental (e.g. in Switzerland, mountain rescue is assigned to private companies such as Air Glacier) office=association ? it's a pretty poor conten

Re: [Tagging] Perimeter of a pitch

As a mapper I try to map the 'marked area', the marked lines used to create the court/pitch. This makes somewhat easier work for me and very objective. It also make it easy to map an area that has a tennis court, a basketball court and a netball court all co-located. The rendering of 3 re

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On 12/08/19 15:38, Peter Elderson wrote: That would be for the Australian mapping community to decide, to document and to implement. There is already some guidance for Australian roads https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Road_Tagging And not to forget the East A

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On 13/08/19 02:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: yopaseopor, My initial question was really about Indonesia in particular, and countries without established, official highway classification systems in general. But I took a look at Spain, and while I don't know much about the local road system, the us

Re: [Tagging] Culverts

This is NOT about tagging. ___Take it elsewhere._ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 13/08/19 19:12, Peter Elderson wrote: I am all for harmonizing the wiki pages about walking routes. +1 When that is done, I would like to do the Dutch translation and discuss the tagging scheme. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 13 aug. 2019 om 10:52 schreef s8evq >:

[Tagging] Past discussions Was:Re: Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On 14/08/19 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: Which diverged into this thread. We've come full circle. I am aware, but apparently from time to time you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions to bring thos

Re: [Tagging] tag templates in the wiki

On 14/08/19 09:47, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 23:36, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 00:18, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: What might be feasible, and better is one of the following (in order of

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

stinct concepts, partly in terms of accessibility. If a walking route can be managed by Grandpa with his cane and two-year-old granddaughter in tow, that's hardly what an American would call 'hiking'! But we surely don't need four inconsistent classifications! On Tue, Aug

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

On 15/08/19 07:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 14. Aug 2019, at 23:30, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Unfortunately many office=* tags represent something that is accessible yes it is unfortunate Not it is not. An office is a place predominantly providing services, frequen

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 14/08/19 22:21, Paul Allen wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 10:56, s8evq > wrote: 1) Remove the wording "(optional)" in front of the explanation of some keys. What's the function of adding (optional) in front of tags that are in the Useful section of the tab

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

It would be usefull to document the method of  including alternate, side trips and access tracks to these routes. At the moment I and others are using the role 'alternate' for track alternative paths. For 'side trips' (short paths to features of interest) possibly the role 'side_trip'? For '

[Tagging] Definition of a Beach

What is a beach? Oxford Dictionary: A pebbly or sandy shore, especially by the sea between high- and low-water marks. OSM description now: landform along a body of water which consists of sand, shingle or other loose material OSM description yesterday: Unvegetated strip of sand, shingle or

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 15/08/19 09:37, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 00:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: One hiking trail I know of the locals usually go bare foot, not only because of poverty but also terrain. So the foot ware would be a

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

On 15/08/19 12:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: [Posted to Talk + Tagging]: Currently the section "Non proposed features" in the OSM wiki page "Proposal_process" mentions that new tags should not be added to "Map_Features" without discussion. Some users also believe that new tags should not be docume

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

On 15/08/19 13:33, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: "accepted and historic method of documenting new tags." "No matter how little used this is the accepted method" Is there evidence or documentation that the accepted and historic method of documenting new, unused or little-used tags is to create a Tag:ke

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

On 15/08/19 14:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 15 Aug 2019, 03:43 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: For context: yesterday Mateusz Konieczny edited the description of natural=beach on the Landuse page and commented that "beach is not always unvegetated and concrete along shore is not a

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

On 15/08/19 16:40, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Re: > “It would usually be "the area above the Low Tide mark” Agreed. Many people map this way, which means that the part of the beach between the low tide and hight tide lines is outside of the coastline. The Openstreetmap-carto style was recently ch

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

cheaper alternative to a private water taxi, the other I am not certain of, possibly an 'access tack' from a train station - I would have to look. Note I am not the author here of 'alternate', but I have done some work on the OSM route. Mvg Peter Elderson Op 15

Re: [Tagging] Where should

On 15/08/19 16:50, Leif Rasmussen wrote: *Was Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach* / / / > that then clashes with OSM Coastline, which is taken as the High Tide mark/ I was under the impression that the definition of the coastline was the average between high and low, not the high tide mark,

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

tract or link to for navigation or planner software. Note that rendering routes is not that critical, but data use is increasingly important. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op 15 aug. 2019 om 09:35 heeft Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: On 15/08/19 17:00, Peter Elderson wrote: Wh

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 15/08/19 22:58, Andy Townsend wrote: On 15/08/2019 10:56, Peter Elderson wrote: ... So the lowest level always contains only ways, the higher level contains only relations. Please don't make things more complicated than they need to be. Most hiking routes are just a single relation and are

Re: [Tagging] Route sorting

On 16/08/19 07:25, marc marc wrote: Le 15.08.19 à 19:40, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : why would you not do it for roundabouts? when we split a building in several parts, we keep one building=* and use several building:part for roundabouts, the tag is the same. for the whole roundabouts and fo

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 16/08/19 01:01, Peter Elderson wrote: Op do 15 aug. 2019 om 15:00 schreef Andy Townsend >: On 15/08/2019 10:56, Peter Elderson wrote: > ... So the lowest level always contains only ways, the higher level contains only relations. Please don't make

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

On 15/08/19 21:50, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 12:44, dcapillae > wrote: I would use "opening_hours=*" [1] or "reservation=*" [2] to indicate if there is a visiting hours or if it is necessary to make an appointment in a private offic

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

On 16/08/19 04:08, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 15 Aug 2019, 14:36 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 07:32, Mateusz Konieczny mailto:matkoni...@tutanota.com>> wrote: Unfortunately many office=* tags represent something that is accessible - for example

Re: [Tagging] insurance:health, staff_count:nurses, staff_count:doctors tags documented as a bad idea

On 15/08/19 21:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:doctors#Voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:staff_count:nurses#Voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:insurance:health#Voting V

Re: [Tagging] Artists studios, WAS Re: Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 16/08/19 12:03, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: What is the objective difference between the workshop of a sculptor who makes many copies of ancient or tradition sculptures out of stone by hand, versus the workshop of a “fine art” sculpture who sells expensive “original”’works? None. There are m

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 17/08/19 03:55, s8evq wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:37:56 +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: The key "educational" has only been used 25 times, mainly "educational=yes", and does not have a wiki page, so it would be best to remove it from the route pages. That's OK for me. Anybody who's agai

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 17/08/19 07:54, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 22:33, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: The way I see it, we’re mapping the world, as it is. Not just places where the general public may have an interest in navigating to it. If you were to make

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

My limited experience; Gaps on the gpx route tend to be straight lines, ok when they are contiguous but where they back track it gets confusing. Some initial thoughts on what I would do, and have done on some routes of interest to me ... On 16/08/19 21:31, Peter Elderson wrote: Looked at de

[Tagging] key educational

as that already exists and is adaptable to any route. On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 9:52 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 17/08/19 03:55, s8evq wrote: > On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:37:56 +0900, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.e

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

Would produce=crop be better? As produce could be fish, cattle, sheep, wool, or crops. produce=crop would say that only crops are produced here. On 18/08/19 01:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 17. Aug 2019, at 17:09, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 9326 of 9657 crop=yes is on

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

ard? Vineyards have their own tag, should the tag crop=grapes be removed? Joseph On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 7:44 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: Would produce=crop be better? As produce could be fish, cattle, sheep, wo

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

ee that there is some desire for a tag for generic cropland, or farmland used to grow unspecified crops. For this I would suggest the key "farmland=cropland" or "crop=field_cropland", rather than crop=yes (less specific) or produce=crop (unclear). https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

On 19/08/19 05:16, Paul Allen wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 19:55, Rob Savoye > wrote:   So no space ? USFS roads use "FS " with a space, at least that seems to be common. So should those be "FS739.1A' ? My opinion is "paint the label."  Others disagree.  Make

Re: [Tagging] Is crop=yes tag completely and utterly useless?

On 18/08/19 22:10, Paul Allen wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 07:40, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: But I see that there is some desire for a tag for generic cropland, or farmland used to grow unspecified crops. For this I would suggest the key "farmland=

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 19/08/19 10:20, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: This: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-March/044160.html was the original discussion that I had been going to expand on, with the possibility of trade= for places like a plumber's workshop / shed etc. There was also discussio

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 19/08/19 18:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Interesting! I remembered a problem with "trade=*" - it's already been used almost 5000 times to specify the type of trade goods sold at a shop=trade - see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/trade and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dt

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 19/08/19 19:12, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 19 Aug 2019, 10:44 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 19/08/19 18:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Interesting! I remembered a problem with "trade=*" - it's already been used almost 5000 times to specify the type of trade

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

On 19/08/19 20:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: What is the best tag to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow? I checked, and currently a number of farmyards are tagged with farmyard=*, but most values describe the feature, like farmyard=feedlot. Landuse=meadow can be tagged with mead

Re: [Tagging] Signposts in Roles of route members

On 19/08/19 18:50, Volker Schmidt wrote: Let me also introduce a further complication in the "sorting" discussion for hiking and cycling route relations. Some mappers like the idea to keep signposts in the same route relation as the ways making up the route. This strategy has been adopted in

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

On 19/08/19 21:14, ael wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 05:21:22PM +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Interesting! I remembered a problem with "trade=*" - it's already been used almost 5000 times to specify the type of trade goods sold at a shop=trade - see https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/trad

Re: [Tagging] Branched and alternative roujtes

On 20/08/19 00:11, Kevin Kenny wrote: (Summary: What do the data *consumers* want to see in the tagging for route alternatives, circular routes, and routes that begin and end on dual carriageways?) On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 3:47 AM Sarah Hoffmann wrote: We do happen to have a clear rule for unbr

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

First. What is to be mapped? The presence of animals? Or The animal output of a agricultural feature? Once I have that answer I can respond to that issue rather than provide multiple answers that confuse. The first post talks of both presence and output, while the subject says presence.

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

On 20/08/19 03:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 19. Aug 2019, at 13:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: So the produce key is used for the output, if that is live animals then they can be tagged that way. If the output is milk then produce=milk not produce=cow

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

On 19/08/19 21:34, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 12:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: That is a negative for me, I like property tags that can be used anywhere appropriate. The authors of at least one editor disagree wi

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

On 18/08/19 00:07, Peter Elderson wrote: In this case, I do NOT want to go from A to B. I want to do the hike, that is the route, exactly as it is specified OSM. Those ways, in the exact order. I want my smartphone or garmin to guide me exactly along those ways, which were carefully picked when

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

On 19/08/19 20:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: What is the best tag to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow? Along with crop rotation, livestock are also rotated from one place to another, probably on a more frequent basis. How many mappers will keep the presence of the animals u

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

device know where to go? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 20 aug. 2019 om 05:49 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>>: On 18/08/19 00:07, Peter Elderson wrote: > In this case, I do NOT want to go from A to B. I want to do the hike, &g

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

On 20/08/19 17:48, s8evq wrote: On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:34:20 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: A map with copyright permitting OSM to make use of its data. There are several walks near me which appear on maps published by the county council or tourist board. Copyright does not permit me to make use

Re: [Tagging] JOSM is the A10 of editors ? (was: Roles of route members)

On 20/08/19 19:14, Andrew Davidson wrote: Thank you gentlemen, that has made my day. Maybe JOSM is the A10 of editors. It's old, it gets no respect, and it's as ugly as sin. Yet it still does the job better than everything else. Not sure what type of planes the other editors are. For train

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

On 20/08/19 18:38, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Kevin Kenny wrote: There's also something to be said for using the ugly editors to prove the concept, because at this point, we don't yet know how to do everything, much less how to make it novice-friendly! The exception is simple linear routes, and Sa

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 08:16, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 08:02, Rob Savoye > wrote: > We should probably add both of these to the proposed list of > campsite property tags at   That's be a good idea, as bear boxes are becoming more and more

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 07:03, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 21.08.2019 19:44, Rob Savoye wrote:    Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy your car if th

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

On 22/08/19 07:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Commenting in both places Not a bad idea as it would be handy to know that you can get cash out "here". Some potential issues I can see though. How much can I get out ($100 max)? A supermarket cashier may be able to give me $500, but a corner mil

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

On 22/08/19 10:25, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:23 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com <mailto:61sundow...@gmail.com>> wrote: Is there a requirement to tag these 'animal resistant boxes'? Would a more universal tag be better? I've generally

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

On 23/08/19 07:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 22. Aug 2019, at 18:52, Philip Barnes > wrote: You can usually walk into a hairdressers to make an appointment and if they are not busy they will not turn you away. Its just those with an appoi

Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose

On 25/08/19 15:02, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Getting back to the original example, phone=* was proposed first and voted on in 1/2008 - see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Phone - the tag was rejected. Some people at the time did not think that OSM should contain phone numbers,

[Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

Hi There is a wiki entry for 'landcover=dune'. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover#Landcover_tags_and_related_tags It has 0 uses in the data base. There is an existing tag 'natural=dune'. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Ddune To me dune is a

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

Misuse of a key/tag happens. Some guidance should resolve the issue. First lets outline the problems this user has with the present tagging advocated by some here using the example: natural=dune 1) It may not be natural. The key natural is, i

Re: [Tagging] Parking spaces for car charging

amenity=charging _space? Says what it is. On 26/08/19 08:52, Paul Allen wrote: On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 23:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 23:53, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: So it looks like, for the charging s

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purpose

On 26/08/19 00:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 25. Aug 2019, at 07:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Type 'phone' into the OSMwiki search box and you get redirected to the key 'phone=*'. This gets preferential treatment to the key '

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone

On 26/08/19 05:48, marc marc wrote: Le 25.08.19 à 16:55, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : What about deprecating the contact: prefix, at least for phone? not "AT LEAST FOR" that's the main issue ! having some contact with contact: prefix and some other without is a very bad idea. we need to switc

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

e .. It may have been me placing produce there.. caution is advised! It is not easy to strike a good balance. (Note this is not a tagging issue... perhaps better on the main talk page?) On 8/26/19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi There is a wiki entry for 'la

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

On 26/08/19 20:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 26 Aug 2019, 05:51 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: This also brings up the question: is it appropriate to edit pages like this to mention the more common tags at the top, e.g. natural=dune, natural=sand? Yes. Especially in cases of tags th

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

On 26/08/19 20:36, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 26 Aug 2019, 12:31 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 26/08/19 20:22, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 26 Aug 2019, 05:51 by joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com : This also brings up the question: is it appropriate

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

On 26/08/19 23:18, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Yes, I agree that for something like landcover=hedge an even stronger warning is needed. Some context for why Warin and I are talking about this: The second section of the key page Key:produce has long mentioned the differences between produce=* and

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

On 26/08/19 21:27, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 at 04:52, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: There seems to be confusion about what the key "landcover" means, because recently there have also been pages created for landcover=water and landcover=hedg

Re: [Tagging] New proposal draft to simplify the mapping of farm buildings (stables)

On 29/08/19 09:45, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Re: > "The best I could come up with was landuse=farmland + produce=live_animal + animal=chicken" It's more common to use landuse=farmyard for poultry farms, and if you use produce=* it's more common to specify eggs, meat or live_animal=* depending on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

On 29/08/19 09:21, François Lacombe wrote: Le jeu. 29 août 2019 à 01:01, Graeme Fitzpatrick mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com>> a écrit : I've just had a quick play on TagInfo & protect_class & protection_title, plus a couple of others, all refer to protected areas of one type or anot

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Cash withdrawal

I think the 2 week time frame is to allow for someone on holidays (of ~ 2 weeks) to be able to see things and respond. As such the 2 weeks is a minimum not a maximum. Indeed there is no maximum for RFC nor for voting. However if there has been no activity for some time (months?) then some one

Re: [Tagging] What sport=* for automobile racing?

On 31/8/19 9:49 am, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: With highway=raceway, the most common tags are sport=motor, sport=motocross and sport=karting (and even some sport=rc_car for remote controlled model cars). These are specific types of motorsport, except for "sport=motor", which can include automobiles

Re: [Tagging] How to tag flood prone points and areas?

On 1/9/19 10:30 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 at 20:51, Paul Allen > wrote: Verifiability is a problem. Near here, there's one office building built lake-side, that has a car park as the ground level of the building. The car park has a li

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