Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Mann
I use frequency=6 for 6 buses per hour as a tag on a bus route relation. And journeys=3 for 3 services a day. Interpreting such tags is always likely to be context-sensitive Richard On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I'd like to tag approximate ferry frequency in OSM

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-03 Thread Richard Mann
Yes, that is how I use it - frequency if there's 1/hour or better, journeys if it's less than that. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:35 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Richard Mann wrote: >> >> I use frequency=6 for 6 buses per hour as a tag on a bus route relation. >>

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Mann
Ah, do you mean the signalling headway, or the planning headway or the operating headway? :o) service_interval=nnn would probably be more en-gb On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > Tilo wrote: > >> what about the headway tag? >> >> > Perhaps a tag that's actually used by normal

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-11 Thread Richard Mann
Jonathan, I think you are saying that foot=yes+bicycle=no covers it. It doesn't because bicycle=dismount is typically advisory, and considerably less strong than bicycle=no. Usually it means that a pedestrian might take umbrage, but the authorities aren't interested in making it an offence. On Fr

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-14 Thread Richard Mann
bicycle=no on the entry/exit node should suffice for routing On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Stephen Gower < socks-openstreetmap@earth.li> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 11:53:04AM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) > wrote: > > > > and [Neither cycling nor pushing allowed] would be an a

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Mann
> There are only some singular situations where "pushing bicycles as an object" is not allowed. > In this situations I am always puzzled, what I have to fear, if I would carry the bicycle like a suitcase or parcel/packet ... > none I suppose, but I never was in such situation yet. > > Georg Nothing

Re: [Tagging] Waterway river vs stream

2013-10-19 Thread Richard Mann
Ah, but in England we have some Streams that are bigger than Rivers. Stream is sometimes used when a river divides into a number of channels, and some Rivers retain that name even in their upper reaches when they are pretty small (and easily jumpable). So you can't always rely on the name. On Sa

Re: [Tagging] How to tag max width at chicane-type bicycle barriers

2013-12-03 Thread Richard Mann
I've pondered this without conclusion, yet. Unfortunately it's a bit complicated, since length and width of vehicle, width of barrier and width of path all come into play. You could probably calculate it for "standard" bikes by drawing a ?0.7m straight path through the barrier and then calculatin

Re: [Tagging] How to tag max width at chicane-type bicycle barriers

2013-12-16 Thread Richard Mann
0.7m is the width of the path (typical handlebars plus a bit) On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Richard Mann < > richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You could probably calculate it for "stand

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-02 Thread Richard Mann
We have lots of "false" one-way streets in Oxford. We tag a short section with oneway=yes+oneway:bicycle=no. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] layer=-1, rivers, bridges and tunnels

2014-03-14 Thread Richard Mann
Setting the river to layer=-1, and the bridge to layer=0 (or 1) avoids a range of rendering artefacts when roads have casings (which they usually do). Good practice is only applying that to a shortish section of river, obviously. I don't know why the wiki has a statement against it - it always see

Re: [Tagging] layer=-1, rivers, bridges and tunnels

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Mann
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > > Situation 1 happens in many other cities across the world, and if you > > tag the bridge as layer=1, you may end up inverting the rendering > > order of highways, leading to this: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/138032009 > good point

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
"left luggage" for the facility as a whole, probably "locker" for them individually it might be more "international" to call them "lockers", though On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Michael Reichert wrote: > Hi, > > over a year ago I was indoor-mapping the central train station of > Heilbronn,

Re: [Tagging] Native English speakers: locker or lockbox?

2014-06-24 Thread Richard Mann
te: > Hi Richard, > > Am 24.06.2014 19:41, schrieb Richard Mann: > > "left luggage" for the facility as a whole, probably "locker" for them > > individually > > > > it might be more "international" to call them "lockers", though > &

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Mann
I did manage to do it (reasonably accurately) by algorithm for the UK, but it was a bit of a pain. Adding dual_carriageway=yes tags, particularly in urban areas, wouldn't hurt. Richard On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am thinking about marking tagging roads with

Re: [Tagging] Marking dual carriageways

2014-07-10 Thread Richard Mann
I think I just ignored very short links, so I don't think it would help in that case. Very roughly, I calculated the bearing of each way, and matched up ones that were within a few metres laterally and a few degrees of 180deg of each other. Richard On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Mateusz Koni

Re: [Tagging] "Relations are not categories" excepted for "type=network" ?

2014-07-16 Thread Richard Mann
It's established that we use relations for routes, because the components are related geo-spatially to one another (in a particular order, sometimes having particular roles such as forward/backward). If a way forms part of multiple routes, that is fine - just make it a member of multiple relations.

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
Interesting interpretation of history. Slightly different version: The path tag was introduced by people who couldn't deal with highway=cycleway being shared with pedestrians, and wanted something less mode-specific than highway=footway and highway=cycleway. In practice, this use is fairly limite

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
(hawke = snowmobile enthusiast, or at least that's the impression he gave, for anyone coming late to this debate) On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-11-04 11:28 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> 2014-11-04 11:17 GM

Re: [Tagging] path vs footway

2014-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
In Germany, highway=bridleway was interpreted as horses *only*. It's the same issue as for bikes. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 11:28 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > 2014-11-04 11:17 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann > >

Re: [Tagging] Wiki Edit War on using/avoiding semicolon lists

2015-01-21 Thread Richard Mann
Click on the dots, ctrl-a, delete. It's a lot easier than regex. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Mapping busways with alternating physical separation

2015-03-02 Thread Richard Mann
Map it one way or the other (I'd say either was acceptable), but don't switch repeatedly between the two. There are many tram systems which only really separate from the road at stops, with much less separation between stops than your clear white line. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Fernando Tre

Re: [Tagging] Mapping busways with alternating physical separation

2015-03-04 Thread Richard Mann
y tags mixed on same line (akin > to maping bus lanes with tags on the main way) > 52.0680083 4.288239 Same as previous > 43.6513302 -79.3843008 Highway and railway are overlapping ways > (probably bad practice, and also seems to break the logic of "one line > for each rail tra

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing/crossing=traffic_signals

2015-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
I've taken to adding a way on the alignment of the crossing (with highway=footway+crossing=traffic_signals as tags). This allows them to be rendered as a orientated feature, rather than just as a node. I guess the nodes aren't rendered because otherwise you'd have traffic light symbols dotted all

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing/crossing=traffic_signals

2015-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
Example in OSM default render: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.75352/-1.26340 and my rendering: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/busmap/?zoom=3&lat=51.75325&lon=-1.26182&layers=B0FT On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Dave F. wrote: > On 15/07/2015 08:42, Richard Mann w

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing/crossing=traffic_signals

2015-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
ayers=B000FF > > > https://github.com/cquest/osmfr-cartocss/blob/abe144cfb375eb7fb403992f06924c40120c6cbf/other.mss#L3547 > > To me, it seems worse for mapnik to miss the rendering of 75% of traffic > lights than not displaying any of them. If you can see some the assumpti

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

2015-07-16 Thread Richard Mann
You might have to explain a little more what the issue is, if you want comments from people from other countries who don't speak much/any Polish... On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > There's a lengthy discussion going on polish forum about using > motorway/trunk tagging for our

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

2015-07-16 Thread Richard Mann
07.2015 15:16, Richard Mann napisał(a): > >> You might have to explain a little more what the issue is, if you want >> comments from people from other countries who don't speak much/any >> Polish... >> > > I gave the link only as a convenience for those who speak o

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

2015-07-16 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > On Thu Jul 16 15:06:34 2015 GMT+0100, Richard Mann wrote: > > For those interested, the issue appears to be that the Poles can have > > multiple routes on one road section (fine, just like the Americans, use > > relations), but also

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
What we have is a mess. Most data consumers will simplify it to meet their needs. About the only useful high-level distinction is between well-made paths, typically in an urban environment, which clearly have been built with the intention that they be used by someone, and poorly-made paths (mostly

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread Richard Mann
people use tags in practice: all tags develop a semantic meaning, the only question is whether anybody understands what that meaning is! On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 03.08.2015 um 11:07 schrieb Richard Mann <

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-05 Thread Richard Mann
This isn't an argument that's ever likely to reach consensus. Use of highway=path for unmade paths, usage rights vague is unobjectionable. Use of highway=footway for made-up paths, default usage foot is unobjectionable. Other uses carry a degree of ambiguity. All we can do is document the variou

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > For Belgium we follow this convention: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths > It's full of highway=path examples. You'll give us a lot of work if we > have to revisit and retag them all. :-) > So if it's a 2m pav

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-01 Thread Richard Mann
I use highway=footway+crossing=X+crossing_ref=Y on *ways* (as well as placing a wiki-compliant node at the intersection of the crossing way and the road way). This makes it (relatively) easy to draw a Zebra crossing, correctly orientated along the way. Richard On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Ge

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-02 Thread Richard Mann
It's been the advice for a long time to use a node. Some data users will expect a node. I use both a way and a node, because I can make good use of the way. Looks like someone has set up a preset that does the way and not the node. That's not ideal, because some data users will expect the node to

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

2015-11-04 Thread Richard Mann
Just to add to the fun, we're now getting a new type of roundabout, with a different-coloured circle of tarmac and no signs (or markings) at all. I'd use a node if the mini-roundabout is just an ineffectual piece of traffic calming, and make a circle if people genuinely give way (yes I know that's

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)

2015-11-22 Thread Richard Mann
You may or may not know, but mid-block signalled crossings are a bit of a UK-specific phenomenon. In many other countries (in Europe, anyway), signalled crossings are part of junctions. Anyway, if you want something rendered, raise a ticket with the renderers; it's not a tagging issue as such. On

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing not rendered on Mapnik (& others)

2015-11-23 Thread Richard Mann
treetmap.org/#map=17/51.74895/-1.23984&layers=C Richard On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Richard Mann wrote on 2015/11/22 23:24: > >> You may or may not know, but mid-block signalled crossings are a bit of a >> UK-specific phenomenon. In many other c

Re: [Tagging] highway=crossing and crossing=*

2016-02-06 Thread Richard Mann
Nodes don't have an orientation, so I find it useful to put crossing=* tags on the footway/cycleway, so I can render it with a nice set of black and white stripes. Eg: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/cyclemap/?zoom=3&lat=51.74075&lon=-1.25238&layers=B0TF I also add the tags to the intersecting

Re: [Tagging] furniture maker

2016-03-31 Thread Richard Mann
Cabinet maker. But furniture maker is probably better. On 31 Mar 2016 10:34, "Andreas Labres" wrote: > What would be the "correct" English term (craft=* value) for a "furniture > maker"? > > And what if that craftsman works on both building houses and making > furniture ("Bau- und Möbeltischlerei

Re: [Tagging] Link roads : the Michelin style

2017-04-27 Thread Richard Mann
The links around my city have links_lower and links_higher tags so the renderer can use those if they prefer. It works a treat. (I raised this a few years ago and got shot down by people saying "you can't change this now"). Some problems have no acceptable solutions... On 27 Apr 2017 22:37, "dja

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] sidewalks and trails

2011-05-04 Thread Richard Mann
Relations between adjacent ways - yuk - proximity tests between near-parallel ways are computationally horrible. It isn't adequate to just say the two are related and hope the data consumer will sort out the mess. The cycleway key is applied to the road to say what the cycle facility is on that cor

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill wrote: > The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for > things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting > steadily more and more complex and confusing and less and less beneficial. I think we need to s

Re: [Tagging] Cutting on only one side?

2011-05-23 Thread Richard Mann
cutting:left=yes Rendering is, as ever, another matter. On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Is there a way to tag a cutting that's only on one side of the feature? This > appears to be an example: > http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dXEL7_-VClA/TOnGKjrOgDI/A3Q/dGJZk3ZhETM

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Mann
That'll be a very big boat On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:57 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/6/14 Sander Deryckere : >> It's Paul Johnson who introduced the tag, not Nathan. >> >> Your comment is right, but you should point it to Paul Johnson instead. > > > yes, I saw this, he kept it, so they'

Re: [Tagging] access=avoid

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Paul Johnson wrote... Well done Paul, for not rising to the bait. Can we keep discussions productive please. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Missing only_u_turn?

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: > On 22 June 2011 15:13, Steve Bennett wrote: > I assumed he meant "only U-turn and forward" - ie no left or right > turns.  I have seen that restriction once at a t-junction, where the > side street can enter the main road in either direction,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-22 Thread Richard Mann
Urban normal in the UK is 100-120mm. Raised (at eg bus stops) is about 160-200mm On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> >> 2011-06-22 Josh Doe: >> > I think we're definitely going for functional. The original author used >> > th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Mann
kerb=flush would mean that there is a kerbstone (with all the potential for localised puddling, misalignment, settling etc), whereas kerb=no would mean there's a continuous tarmac surface - the latter occurs either if someone is trying to make a very smooth transition between the road and a cycle t

Re: [Tagging] Road center style

2011-07-15 Thread Richard Mann
I would be glad if it was revived. As we get ever more detailed imagery, people are starting to want to split roads in two at every intersection and it makes for a right mess: I'd prefer if there was a more elegant way of handling divided roads in towns. The routing stuff should be smothered - it'

Re: [Tagging] Oneway except for buses

2011-07-23 Thread Richard Mann
oneway:bicycle=no is used by OpenCycleMap etc it might be better as oneway:psv=no, rather than oneway:bus=no ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Richard Mann
When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - without being too country-specific. I'm not sure that the deleted sentence is particularly helpful, so I'd leave it out on the keep-it-simple principle. __

Re: [Tagging] highway=unclassified

2011-07-27 Thread Richard Mann
wrote: > 2011/7/27 Richard Mann : >> When I had a go at re-writing it, I tried to give some clarity on the >> boundaries with adjacent values (residential, tertiary, track) - > > > Yes, but on the other hand deleting the cited part changed the > definition and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Kerb

2011-07-28 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> http://www.kohl-ratingen.de/images/kohl-markierung/z.299.jpg That's a dropped kerb, which is probably semantically equivalent to "lowered". But "dropped" is the standard en-gb term. ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] Light rail station

2011-08-18 Thread Richard Mann
Trams and street-running light rail should have railway=tram_stop. Put in a sub-tag if you want to distinguish different types. If your light-rail system runs onto heavy rail (eg famously in Karlsruhe), and shares stations with heavy rail passenger services, then use railway=station on the clearly

Re: [Tagging] Light rail station

2011-08-18 Thread Richard Mann
e rights of way of. As far as I can tell > the original heavy rail tracks are used, at least on some stretches. Of > course new signaling and overhead wires were installed. > Martijn > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Richard Mann > wrote: >> >> Trams and street-running

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk tag when mapped as a separate way

2011-08-23 Thread Richard Mann
Put the sidewalk tag on the road, and put some indicator on the footway (I use adjacent=yes) that it's also covered by tagging on the adjacent way. The worst that happens is some router gets two parallel links in their network, or that some super-clever algorithm identifies two parallel sidewalks

Re: [Tagging] railways, subway stations and train stations

2011-09-22 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/22/11 13:43, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> More seriously, in Boston we sometimes use the word "subway" to refer to >> several MBTA lines, and non-train-nerds don't really distinguish between >> the Green Line (which is probably "li

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - entrance=*

2011-10-12 Thread Richard Mann
I think you meant "might be advised" rather than "need" On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > If entrance=* is being used at all, you need to change your rendering to > support it, whether or not existing building=entrances are being changed. > __

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-06 Thread Richard Mann
They are called bus bays in EN-GB. I'd probably add a suitable tag (bay=yes, maybe) to the highway=bus_stop node (and maybe to a node on the road on the lines of busway:right=bay or some such). But I haven't tagged any (might be something to do with the negative value I associate with them...) R

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-07 Thread Richard Mann
-06 at 09:11 +, Richard Mann wrote: > > > But I haven't tagged any (might be something to do with the negative > > value I associate with them...) > > Curious what negative value this is? > > ___ > Ta

Re: [Tagging] Bus pullout?

2011-12-07 Thread Richard Mann
Paul asked; I answered out of courtesy. It was off-topic so I'm not going to discuss further. Richard On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/12/7 Richard Mann : > > A bus bay means > > 1) less sidewalk (usually) > > > in here usually no

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
I'd have called it amenity=parking+access=private and then added a way through the area for pedestrians (tagging individual parking aisles, probably, plus any footway links to connect it up) On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2012/1/11 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2012/1/11 Er

Re: [Tagging] Amenity parking

2012-01-12 Thread Richard Mann
access=private is a modifying tag - if it is used in conjuction with an amenity=parking area then it means that the parking is private (and nothing else). I guess you could use something more specific like parking=private, but there are 1000s of uses of access=private in this context, so it's unlik

Re: [Tagging] Level and type of school (ISCED, public/private/charter)

2012-01-20 Thread Richard Mann
Life's too short to argue about something like this. Just use something that's locally meaningful - that's all most mappers will understand, and if there's an international scale, document that and maybe people will use it (but they probably won't). level=secondary/primary works for me If it's s

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett & paving_stones

2012-02-20 Thread Richard Mann
The problem is that setts are often referred to as cobbles, in common parlance. If someone tags something as cobbles, I'd probably reckon they were actually setts 99% of the time. http://g.co/maps/bnndk The stuff in the road is cobbles; in the gutter and on the pavements is setts. So having a cle

Re: [Tagging] Wikifiddling, surface=cobblestone vs. sett & paving_stones

2012-02-20 Thread Richard Mann
Probably better to introduce a new value to mean yes-they-really-are-cobbles. Perhaps "cobbles" (as opposed to cobblestone) On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Jonathan Bennett wrote: > > In summary: I believe the three classes to be separate and > > non-overlapping. So I disa

Re: [Tagging] Named railway locations

2012-02-20 Thread Richard Mann
Well the British railway speak for such locations would probably be "TRUST reporting point" or timing point. They are typically junctions, crossovers or passing places (if there's no station). So I'm not sure there's a "public" term available. Maybe railway=location? Richard On Mon, Feb 20, 2012

Re: [Tagging] Named railway locations

2012-02-20 Thread Richard Mann
Yes, I remember *Adlestrop* ... On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Richard Mann wrote: > > Maybe railway=location? > > Or even railway=locality, to tie in with the well-established > place=locality > for tagging a 'lieu-dit'. > > (

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-20 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > But I think about adding a statement, that > usually only on major roads or very complex junctions those lanes are > actually mapped. Can we agree on this? > +1 Urban roads are going to be very messy if every little centre turning lane gets

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-21 Thread Richard Mann
If it's <4m, you will be able to see continuous wear on the verge where people drive off the edge of the tarmac. At >4m there will only be wear for occasional large vehicles (tractor tracks, typically). At 6m there's usually a centre line. I'd quite like some tags for these subtleties, but I would

Re: [Tagging] Another reset on roundabouts

2012-05-18 Thread Richard Mann
The distinction in the UK is between a roundabout and a gyratory. Roundabouts can have signals, but they tend to be linked so that it flows, and if you're going straight ahead, you won't normally stop once you're on the roundabout. Roundabouts don't generally have buildings in the middle, or pedest

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes & cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-23 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > You have to keep in mind that most of the streets are in fact a > collection of parallel features. Only at some points (junctions, ends) > this might not be true. The proposed relation might(!) be a solution > for some special cases (e.g. ir

Re: [Tagging] Cycle lanes & cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-26 Thread Richard Mann
In Denmark, they use lanes/tracks that are immediately alongside the road and separated by a shallow kerb, and turn into lanes on the approach to junctions. You can certainly move on and off them very easily. On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Rob Nickerson wrote: > > Hi All, > > Sorry for the late

Re: [Tagging] New access tag value needed?

2012-05-31 Thread Richard Mann
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-17530125 (lorry stuck on very tight corner) This is tagged hgv=unsuitable in OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/69590803 Maybe such tags need regularising Not sure I'd bother with cycle tracks though. Richard

Re: [Tagging] sports_centre

2012-07-16 Thread Richard Mann
"gym" is a bit colloquial, but if it's already in use then go for it (potential confusion for German speakers, I guess, but probably tolerable) Richard On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 07/16/12 10:24, Philip Barnes wrote: > >> Sports centres are usually big,

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-01 Thread Richard Mann
Chill guys. Refs and street names on ways are OK in most countries. So leave well alone. Data consumers can and do cope. If you're one of the few places that use multiple refs on a single street, then code them by local agreement - probably using relations. Yes, relation support should improve.

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-08-02 Thread Richard Mann
Bridge ref & highway ref: bridge ref should have a specific tag, such as bridge:ref=whatever Two roads meet at roundabouts: roundabout has higher-ranking (ie lower) number, unless the higher-ranking road has a flyover or underpass. Or don't have a ref. None of the issues raised justify changing a

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
I guess that'll be me. The total number of tracks is a useful piece of data, whereas tracks=1 on the four individual tracks is useless. I don't really mind where the information is stored; the tracks tag looked like a sensible place to me (and indeed was already being used in this way in some plac

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-07 Thread Richard Mann
Tracks is actually mostly used in the UK to tag the total number of tracks, whether the lines have been individually mapped or not (this snapshot is a few days old): http://www.itoworld.com/map/14#lat=51.78185298480979&lon=-0.5093040346167376&zoom=7 ___

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-08 Thread Richard Mann
I think we're rapidly heading to mapping each track separately. They can all be labelled as tracks=1 (though the wiki doesn't actually tell you to do that), but that would be completely pointless. It might have some value in the interim period, but the tag isn't used consistently enough to make tha

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-08 Thread Richard Mann
-changing infrastructure-type information is better recorded on the ways. Whereas service-type information is better recorded in relations. Richard On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Richard Mann < > richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-08 Thread Richard Mann
I've copied the info to a new passenger_lines tag, since it would appear that some people would prefer to use the tracks tag for a different purpose. For those of you who don't have experience of train operations, I can assure you that the number of tracks available for passenger operations (and i

Re: [Tagging] traffic=fast

2012-08-09 Thread Richard Mann
There's two things that distinguish HSLs/LGVs/NBSs: high maxspeed (typically 250-320, though some would include the new lines in Switzerland, which are "only" 200), and a lack of slow traffic (freight, stopping passenger services) because they have alternative routes. In some cases, you can get pr

Re: [Tagging] traffic=fast

2012-08-09 Thread Richard Mann
official" designation (from > Network Rail)? I recall also seeing things like service=main_line (from > memory) to distinguish main line from local tracks. > > Colin > > > On 09/08/2012 11:33, Richard Mann wrote: > > There's two things that distinguish HSLs/LGVs/NBSs: h

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-10 Thread Richard Mann
I've added track_detail=yes in places where there are tracks>1 tags but the lines are separately drawn. I've included some that have been there for a while. I've contacted the only people who I'm aware that use the tracks data (itoworld) to see if deleting the tracks tags (or setting them all to t

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-16 Thread Richard Mann
Dave has been quite rude, and completely dismissive of the value of anything other than his interpretation of what the wiki states. Internet etiquette is that you do not respond to rudeness, so I haven't. Counting parallel lines is a pain, and trying to put the info into relations is unnecessarily

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Mann
http://www.itoworld.com/map/25 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > I'm looking for a map where I can see what ways are (not) tagged with > surface/smoothness. The tag width would be a nice-to-have. Maybe > something like OSMI? > > Any hints for me? > > Martin > >

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread Richard Mann
It looks like it's just inside the village (commune?) boundary. Maybe they mean the whole village? On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:55 PM, André Pirard wrote: > ** > Hi, > > Summary: setting access restrictions on ways sometimes (often?) > inappropriate > Full story and conclusions: ... > > At 50.5308

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: road in Luxembourgish park with unclear status

2012-10-22 Thread Richard Mann
I'd probably go for highway=service+surface=asphalt to photo 4, then highway=footway+surface=asphalt+bicycle=yes thereafter. Possibly highway=service all the way until it's not passable by motor-vehicle. (residential seems inappropriate since it's a shared surface without even a token sidewalk, bu

Re: [Tagging] designation=* is a mess in Germany

2012-10-23 Thread Richard Mann
Slowly walk away. The usage in the UK should be shifted to a new key (maybe something like path_type), and the rest probably ignored. The choice of name for the key stemmed from access=designated, and (with 20:20 hindsight) was a mistake. There are some people who prefer to have multi-purpose key

Re: [Tagging] Tagging GB railway stations and track

2012-11-07 Thread Richard Mann
Source? Most of these things are "owned" by Network Rail, and it's not clear whether they are publically available without strings. I'd love this to be available (speaking as someone who made maps of delay in a former life...). Richard On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Peter Hicks wrote: > All,

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
Try using Potlatch On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > I'm a little desperate now. The increasing number of relations - > especially those for public transport - make it harder and harder to > make simple edits. > > Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14

Re: [Tagging] Catchment Areas

2012-12-03 Thread Richard Mann
If only a handful of people are likely to use the data (inevitable with lots of overlapping catchments), then create it offline (draw it as a separate layer in JOSM and save it). If more than 1 person will use it, post it somewhere. You could add a link on the wiki city page. But I wouldn't add ob

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-12-04 Thread Richard Mann
Martin's problem would be solved if the extra-long relation is broken up into segments. Which you are just as free to do as splitting a way in two. Keep the relation tags on each segment, just like you'd do if you split a way. (This is rather different to Jo's proposal, which involves shifting tag

Re: [Tagging] How to solve the problem with relation overload?

2012-12-04 Thread Richard Mann
I think Martin is complaining about long-distance coach services. Splitting them into within-urban and extra-urban segments would seem fairly sensible to me. On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Jo wrote: > 2012/12/4 Richard Mann > >> Martin's problem would be solved if the extra

Re: [Tagging] cycleway Tagging and Wiki-Page

2013-01-12 Thread Richard Mann
I think shared_lane is used when the bikes are sharing the lane with cars, perhaps with a cycle logo in the centre of the lane. Sharrows are when there are cycle logos to one side, but no lane marking (not very common in the UK; I've seen them in Brussels alongside parked cars, and they're more oft

Re: [Tagging] Kids use a sled downhill

2013-01-20 Thread Richard Mann
No word for it in English (en-gb), to my knowledge. Locally we'd refer to "the slope by the bridge" or "going up to Rayleigh Park". As some of us were doing yesterday :o) On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Erik Johansson wrote: > I've spent every winter since ~2008 wondering what you call a Pulk

Re: [Tagging] Giant river multipolygons

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Mann
I think you are misinterpreting the one feature "rule". It's about trying to avoid situations where there are two versions of the same thing (eg an area-which-can-be-resolved-to-a-point and a node), not situations where there are multiple parts to a single whole. The Danube river is perfectly adeq

Re: [Tagging] Giant river multipolygons

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Mann
) On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > 2013/1/29 Richard Mann > >> The Danube river is perfectly adequately made whole by looking for >> name:en=Danube. Get the computer to do the work, not mappers. >> > > What if there is a little river Danube, s

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