Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree that a 'forum' is far better at engaging a community ... keeps > topics more organised as replies are localised (that are no isolated > branches for instance), avoids the 'digest mode' problem, some even have a > syste

Re: [Tagging] Accepted or rejected?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I agree that a 'forum' is far b

Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory

I don't see a benefit to complicating access tagging for just one mode. Routing engines are already capable of handling the situation quite handily if the way that bicycles are not allowed on is bicycle=no or bicycle=destination. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Hubert wrote: > Hallo fellow map

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

I tend to include Boy Scout camps when I find them because they're often well-known landmarks. Some that I've mapped include Camp Baldwin (which I'd love to detail map since I've spent around 100 nights at that camp alone now but the canopy's too dense f

Re: [Tagging] Tagging established, unofficial and wild campings

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-03-30 4:01 GMT+02:00 johnw : > >> They are just private facilities, but they should be properly tagged as a >> camp site, as people drive long distances to take scouts there, so they >> should be searchable and routable. > > > I

Re: [Tagging] recommend tagging of volcanos as ways rather than nodes

On Mar 30, 2015 6:27 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: > > I suggest to tag volcanos on ways rather than nodes, if possible. Currently the wiki states that only nodes should be used, and while I agree that nodes might be a preliminary way of mapping, I think that typically volcanos are bigger than

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

On Mar 29, 2015 1:28 AM, "David Bannon" wrote: > > On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 21:57 -0700, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > wrote: > > Just a note about using semicolon-delimited lists. Most > > renderers do not handle such lists very well so a tag like the > > following: > >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging method of amenities at camp_sites

On Mar 30, 2015 11:05 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:51 PM, fly wrote: >> >> Am 30.03.2015 um 23:35 schrieb John F. Eldredge: >> > It's about time that renderers started supporting semicolon-delimited lists. Splitting apart a delimited string is a trivial programming tas

Re: [Tagging] Highway barrier

I'd tend to think this would be an enforcement device and a barrier. Though, shark teeth would be something different, tagged with highway=give_way where the centerline of the way crosses the pavement marking. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:35 AM, Dave F. wrote: > I've tagged these a spikes, althoug

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

On Apr 17, 2015 1:41 AM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 9:50 PM, David Bannon wrote: >> >> >> That scheme seems to rely on house number model. Sure looks good. >> >> But does it, by implication, indicate there is a (eg) a house number 12 >> on the unnamed service road ? I

Re: [Tagging] Ambiguous translations of waterway=dam - should be moved to man_made=dam

On Apr 16, 2015 6:06 AM, "Nelson A. de Oliveira" wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Richard Z. wrote: > > not all of the dams are man_made, beavers are busy builders. > > I want to be the first one tagging a beaver_made=dam :-) Did I just find another furry?

Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory

On Apr 14, 2015 2:10 AM, "Volker Schmidt" wrote: > > > > >> >> How would you tag: > > > Here are my reformulated answers. > Note that the answers do not apply to all countries, and most certainly not to the US, where to my knowledge there are no distinctions between bicycle and pedestrian use of s

Re: [Tagging] Way inside riverbank

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:47 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > The location of the deepest channel can change over time, as mudbanks or > sandbanks shift position. This is why commercial vessels operating on > rivers frequently rely upon a succession of pilots, each familiar with a > particular port

Re: [Tagging] Does oneway:bicycle apply to cycleway=track?

Is there an aerial we can correspond this with? On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:33 PM, 715371 wrote: > Am 26.02.2015 um 12:06 schrieb Paul Johnson: > > What's the location we're working with? > > Here a location for cycleway=opposite_track: > https://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] electric zigarrettes

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:47 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote: > > is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is > > permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=* > > or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=

Re: [Tagging] [Bug] calculated shortest route wrong (was: often longer than fastest route)

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:58 PM, john whelan wrote: > The difficulty is in many cities traffic lights are synchronised in such a > way that cars may have to stop at the first but there after if they are > travelling at or close to the speed limit they will not be stopped on > subsequent sets of l

Re: [Tagging] [Bug] calculated shortest route wrong (was: often longer than fastest route)

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:58 PM, john whelan > wrote: > > The difficulty is in many cities traffic lights are synchronised > > in such a way that cars ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours default PH off

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:11 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In the USA, there aren't any public holidays on a national scale on which > businesses are required to close. Businesses aren't the only things with opening hours. That said, there's a different and similar problem encountered: Just a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours default PH off

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: > They should be covered for all US states [2]. It has > been noted that the US has multiple holidays. Is that like the bank > holidays in > the UK? It might be worth to defined them. > Problem is they vary so damn much. Nobody seems

[Tagging] Possible Vatican City tagging issues

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/41.9041/12.4527 While viewing Vatican City, I noticed an extremely high ratio of access=private roads. I can understand access=private for most VC buildings, but, roads, that seems highly unlikely. I vaguely recall border crossing issues between people accept

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you > can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial. > a monument is often a building IMHO > US usage frequently disagrees on an almost biblical scale. This one used to lea

[Tagging] US-style destination sign tagging

It seems that the destination sign tagging is a bit European-specific in expecting signs to have only one border, back and arrow color. That makes it a little hard to tag signs like these multicolored phenomenons: http://mapillary.com/map/im/fiAnz2BPUy_AICzS24dSXw Suggested tagging, please? _

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > How do you tag speed limits on curves and highway on/off ramps? At > least in Ontario, these speed limits are advisory only and signed with > a yellow sign (and sometimes on curves you will see a curve speed > limit sign and a higher gene

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast wrote: > Well, in the US, I've just been tagging the 'ramp' speeds ( > https://goo.gl/maps/Bw8Is ) as a normal 'maxspeed'. I know several other > users here in the US have been doing it the same way. > Please don't, as this is confusing. Advisory spe

Re: [Tagging] Roads with motor vehicle access limited to residents of a specific town

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > In the USA one occasionally sees "local traffic only" signed. > It's meant to counter cut-through traffic by commuters and delivery trucks. > Usually that would be access=destination. Not quite the same that you can only drive it if you'r

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

If I understand what pmailkeey is saying, he's suggesting an expansion of maxspeed into a namespace, so maxspeed:advisory could be a recognizable thing. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Ross wrote: > And read the wiki page on maxspeed: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed > > "

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:56 AM, Jo wrote: > 2015-05-11 13:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . : > >> >> >> On 11 May 2015 at 11:40, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:04 AM, James Mast >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, in t

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:33 AM, wrote: > On Wed May 13 09:02:18 2015 GMT+0100, Ross wrote: > > Not the way I read their email. > > > > However there is already provision for: > > > > maxspeed: > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed > > > > and > > > > maxspeed:advisory > > > > h

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > Don't agree with this... there have been discussions in the past about > whether the "width" of a "way" includes the pavements etc... Where a road > goes under a bridge, where do you measure the "height" of the road? The > highest point (not

Re: [Tagging] Maxspeed

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > A signed height limit is likely somewhat conservative. On a USA road > way that's an advisory sign, but if you > run a larger load under the bridge and something happens it's your fault. > > The actual maximum height is likely larger. Ther

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

Level should be the layers relative to the (lowest) ground, regardless of how that's defined in the building, for consistency sake. As often as not here, 1 is either the second floor off the ground or the ground floor, with G being Ground. Granted, this gets a little tricker, with complex example

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:22 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > Building is the 'common' example. In cases where plots of land receive > things then the plot area should have the address. If there are many > buildings but only one address, where is the mail to be delivered ? Put the > address on that build

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

There's got to be a better way to do this. Oregon, this would be handled by the DMV in rural areas, and the Department of Environmental Quality in the Metro and Lane County regions. In Oklahoma, this would be handled by the Oklahoma Tax Commission, same as you'd get a fishing license. Driver's l

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > I would like to propose that the tag full_service=yes be used to tag > gas stations that are full serve (i.e. an attendant pumps gas, like > all gas stations in New Jersey and Oregon). Nope! You're conflating minimum service and full s

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:53 AM, johnw wrote: > > On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Everything else being the same (taxes, base fuel price, etc), minimum > service is always about 10-15 cents *cheaper* > > The idea that a human costs less than a credit car

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 06:07 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > Full service does cost more, because full service typically checks and > > tops off any fluids you're low on, along with checking your tires and > >

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > >> > While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full >> > service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheaper than >> > self because there is someone who does wo

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-09 12:27 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson : > >> There's got to be a better way to do this. Oregon, this would be handled >> by the DMV in rural areas, and the Department of Environmental Quality in &g

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

tin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-09 14:37 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson : > > > > > How would you tag a shop that sells tax stamps and licenses, but is > not a > > > government office, and does not provide other services? The Oklahoma > Tax > > > Commission uses suc

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

>From experience, the opposite isn't true; Oregon expects you to explicitly have an Oregon license plate or trip permit (a big reason why the first exit in Oregon on all four freeways is "DMV & DOT Permits". This seems to only be enforced in a rather haphazard way that's just ripe for police abuse

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 7:47 AM, wrote: > On Tue Jun 9 13:23:05 2015 GMT+0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-09 13:48 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > > > > > > While I agree that fueling only is minimum service and not full > > > > service, around here (Europe) minimum service is always cheap

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:38 PM, John Willis wrote: > > > > On Jun 9, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > P brands (Arco, Amoco, BP, Aral, am/pm, Wild Bean) usually make you go > inside anyway and don't let you pay at the pump. > > A long time ago

Re: [Tagging] Airport Security Zones (from pet relief area thread)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:52 AM, johnw wrote: > I would hate for a gas station icon to pop up somewhere where I couldn’t > access it with normal transportation or not really be a “gas station” Devil's advocate: For quite a few people (particularly in the pacific northwest, the arctic, and othe

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 1:02 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > From my experience in the USA, prepay is only available by going inside > and paying the clerk. If it turns out you didn't have enough room in your > fuel tank for the amount you prepaid for, you go inside a second time and > get a refund. T

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Wed, 2015-06-10 at 18:07 +0100, Craig Wallace wrote: > > > > > > Why does everything have to be a 'station'? A station is a place > > where > > trains stop, not where you plug your phone in. Plus it makes the tag > > unnecessarily verbos

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > One could tag every power outlet that seems to be in a public space. For > many years I charged my laptop at > >> airports by finding the places the cleaning crew plugged in their vacuum >> cleaners. But that sort of accidental >> chargin

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > > so i have two things in mind here: > > 1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers > > 2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a > README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup > a dialog s

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:28 AM, John Willis wrote: > At a lot of tool stores they sell a cheap little metal tab that is a key > fob, and it has various tabs along its sides that are shaped for standard > and phillips screws (a tapered tab to fit into one of the slots on a > phillips screw). > >

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

That'd count as a median in my book. Separate ways for either side of it. On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > Try this link https://goo.gl/photos/3tyt92t4fdVVw3mN9 > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Shawn K. Quinn > wrote: > >> On Mon, 2015-06-22 at 16:58 -0700, Cliffor

Re: [Tagging] Concrete kerbs in highway

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-23 1:58 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow : > >> I have a question about how to tag concrete kerbs that prevent vehicles >> from crossing. Below are links to two different examples. Creating a dual >> carriageway doesn't seem correct.

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Richard Mann < richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote: > For those interested, the issue appears to be that the Poles can have > multiple routes on one road section (fine, just like the Americans, use > relations), but also the same route number can get used on a

Re: [Tagging] Local highways classifications

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:23 AM, wrote: > On Thu Jul 16 15:06:34 2015 GMT+0100, Richard Mann wrote: > > For those interested, the issue appears to be that the Poles can have > > multiple routes on one road section (fine, just like the Americans, use > > relations), but also the same route number

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Eric Sibert wrote: > Yes, I started with the easy case where not country is occupying the > disputed area and both countries agree on the limits of the disputed area. > There should be a similar case between USA and Canada for islands near > Vancouver. Curious i

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Eric Sibert wrote: > Overlapping should be the first step to mapping a dispute. Then if you want >> to add dispute attributes, you could create a new multipolygon with areas >> in question, and add dispute specific tags, wikidata tags, and similar. >> > > In my pr

Re: [Tagging] Disputed area

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Eric Sibert wrote: > I think a good test case for testing if this can handle ongoing and complex >> conflicts would be Kashmir, as it's currently five-ways disputed between >> Pakistan, India, China, a Kashmir separatist/freedom/independence >> movement, >> and re

Re: [Tagging] Describe explicitly that values of highway tag do not imply anything about road quality (except highway=motorway and highway=motorway_link)

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Note that it afffects also highway=path - in that case some/many > people are convinced that there is some kind of difference of implied > quality between highway=path and highway=footway. I tend to see the distinction as this: highwa

Re: [Tagging] Describe explicitly that values of highway tag do not imply anything about road quality (except highway=motorway and highway=motorway_link)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 2:52 PM, wrote: > On Wed Aug 19 18:36:05 2015 GMT+0100, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny > > > wrote: > > > > > Note that it afffects also highway=path - in that case some/many > > > pe

Re: [Tagging] Describe explicitly that values of highway tag do not imply anything about road quality (except highway=motorway and highway=motorway_link)

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:05 AM, John Willis wrote: > Go to rich neighborhoods in San Diego. OK, so we're seeing a trend that at least in the US, it's something that's primarily an issue for southwestern California. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] Construction

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > Is there any way to tag roads as being under construction but which > are not closed to traffic? construction=minor. Also, if known, consider access:lanes=yes|no|no (vary as appropriate) as well. ___

Re: [Tagging] Access tags (general question, but mostly regarding bicycle)

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Ruben Maes wrote: > Friday 28 August 2015 19:05:52, Mateusz Konieczny: > > For example iD - is it clearly > > indicating that it is about legal status? I am also regularly checking > > situation in my region and fixing new problem. > > In English it's called "Acce

Re: [Tagging] Construction

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:18 AM, johnw wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > The Gardiner is reduced to 2 lanes (was 3), the speed limit is lowered and > it is causing huge traffic jams. > > > > if it is still a motorway, it is a motorway. reduce the lanes and the >

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am looking for a better name - but for example [highway=footway; > proposed=yes] may not be incorrect. It is not changing that such > tagging should not be used as it makes OSM data less usable. > How about highway=proposed, proposed=f

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:24:48 +0100 > "Dave F." wrote: > > > On 01/09/2015 10:59, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:08:34 +0100 > > > "Dave F." wrote: > > > > > >> Your suggestion of decreasing the road class is "trol

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > But for example Japan has "national highways" - that generally are > equivalent of highway=trunk (according to > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Japan_tagging ) but "Note that a > little part of Japanese National highways have regions

Re: [Tagging] Construction

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > Am 30.08.2015 um 22:32 schrieb Paul Johnson : > > > > construction=minor. Also, if known, consider access:lanes=yes|no|no > (vary as appropriate) as well. > > > you could split the highway and adju

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:54 PM, John Willis wrote: > > > > On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > presently traverses a staircase! > > I currently forget which, but a national road in Japan officially becomes > a staircase near its terminus, as

Re: [Tagging] Road classification

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Generally following official classification is a good idea (otherwise > it will be inconsistent) but some exceptions should be expected. > > Also, there are many ways to map official classification on to OSM > hierarchy. At least sometime

Re: [Tagging] Access tags (general question, but mostly regarding bicycle)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:57:47 +0200 > Richard wrote: > > > Imo *=designated and *=permissive also imply infomration about > > suitability. > > Typically it is true - but in theory something may be legally cycleway > and unsuitable for cycl

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

This is why you ride with full fenders with mudflaps and use a chaincase. On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:40 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > Not to mention the amount of horse dung you are willing to have your bike > wheels fling up onto you. > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com > "Darkness can

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: Obligatory tagging of oneway on motorway_link

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On Thu, 2015-09-10 at 14:20 +0200, Joachim wrote: > > I drafted up a proposal about oneway=* for highway=motorway_link. > > Please comment. > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Motorway_link_obligatory_oneway > > > > P

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: Obligatory tagging of oneway on motorway_link

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Kieron Thwaites wrote: > > Though I agree in principle with the idea of making tagging more > > explicit, how big of a practical concern is this? i.e. how many times in > > the real world is motorway_link a two-way road? > > While I agree such a case is rare, it i

Re: [Tagging] New proposal: Obligatory tagging of oneway on motorway_link

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 7:41 AM, moltonel wrote: > > If not tagged, the oneway=* > >status of this way is undefined. > > You wont gain anything by de-defining the "oneway=no" default value. > Consumers (routers, renderers, whatever) will not be swayed by a wiki page. > They might look at stats an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting Extension - Dynamic maxspeed

Addressing Midgard's objection, "I *oppose* this proposal. I support tagging variable speed limits, but not the "reasons". In schools zones near me the reason is obvious, but on our motorways speed limits may be lowered for all of the other reasons." I believe this could be handled cleanly with "m

Re: [Tagging] barrier enforcing maxwidth

On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 10:38 PM, johnw wrote: > I was driving in Chiba and Saitama yesterday and encountered a couple new > types of barriers. I realized later one is traffic_calming=chicane. > > > The other one is all over rural Japan as traffic_calming=choker on rural > roads that could bypass

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long names for highways

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Peter wrote: > Hi all, > > we've detecting more and more long names for highways, like I once > reported here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/karussell/diary/26055 > > One example: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/51109811 > > As discussed there the names ar

[Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

Seems like some of the examples are wrong. For example, M2c... Wouldn't it be better and more consistent relative to other mode-specific lanes to tag it as... oneway=yes cycleway=lane lanes=3 motor_vehicle:lanes=yes|no|yes bicycle:lanes=yes|designated|yes

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

gt; is correct, too. > > > > Yours Hubert > > > > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes > > [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes > > > > *From:* Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] > *Sent:* Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015 13:06 >

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

double-tracked motor vehicles in mind. > > Also, what tools are you talking about? > > > > *From:* Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] > *Sent:* Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2015 13:40 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.o

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

Sure, when you're drafting out the lanes in JOSM or rendering them in Osmand, your lane counts are off by however many bike lanes there are if you don't explicitly map them in the lanes count and tag accordingly. On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Hubert wrote: > Hey Paul, > > I couldn’t find a pr

Re: [Tagging] when should highway=centreline be used?

Looks like this would primarily be obsoleted by the much more orthagonal lanes:*, change:lanes:* and various access related keys already (though along these same lines, I still believe bicycle lanes need to be included in these counts to give consumers an accurate representation of where lanes are

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

I think we'd have to invent a tag. I only know them to be called a "programmable changeable message sign", so I'd probably tag it traffic_sign=pcms On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Please see > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/31

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:57 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-10-29 9:33 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson : > >> I think we'd have to invent a tag. I only know them to be called a >> "programmable changeable message sign", so I'd probably tag it >> tr

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Hubert wrote: > I'm sorry Paul, but I still don't understand what your issue is exactly. > Do you get an error message or similar in JOSM? What do you mean by > "drafting out the lanes"? > And in OSMAND the only "lane rendering" I know of is when you enable "Show

Re: [Tagging] post_box:type values, meter in particular

On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 6:30 PM, John Eldredge wrote: > U.S. Post Offices used to have separate collection slots for stamped mail > and metered mail (postage printed on it by a machine), but it is several > years since I last remember seeing such. They're still somewhat common at higher volume

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Hubert wrote: > Thanks for the link. > > I agree for „lanes=*“. > > > > But “*:lanes=*” is still a different story. One could also use “*:lanes=*” > on segregated foot- and cycleways. For example > > highway=path > > degregated=yes > > bicycle=designated > > bicyc

Re: [Tagging] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > UN convention, apparently: > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2011-September/008578.html > Well, this would qualify a decent number of bike

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Thu Oct 29 12:20:37 2015 GMT, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > > > Also FYI, I noticed but did not add to OSM a sensor type weighing device > in > > Thailand the other day. My quick glance at the sign suggests it is a type > > of scale you m

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a weigh station / bridge ?

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Well, the word amenity seems to imply some kind of pleasure (at least the > translations that I found do so), > > I don't see any fun in using it ;-) > Well, if the Vermont State Police in Super Troopers t

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > It seems that many mappers associate words like "island" or "traffic > island" > > with an area on a road that is enclosed by a white line and > > maybe hatched lines ("schraffiert") > > Also often used: t

Re: [Tagging] roundabouts without obstacles in the middle

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > > I think the wiki > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout > > is very clear about this, one has to connect the roads in a single node > > and add the tag highway=mini_r

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 1:48 AM, John Willis wrote: > > > > On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I commonly tag the center-lane variety as lanes:both_ways=1, > access:lanes:both_ways=no > > I completely forgot about the center com

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 01.11.2015 um 12:30 schrieb Richard Mann < > richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com>: > > > > I use highway=footway+crossing=X+crossing_ref=Y on *ways* (as well as > placing a wiki-compliant node at the interse

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Gerd Petermann < gpetermann_muenc...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, I am confused by these terms. > > What is a "center two-way turn lane " or a "center common bi-directional > turn lane" > > Do you have a picture ? > http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/crwjPDmLeyFE3nmd

[Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

ref=* on ways has become an unmitigated hot mess for maintainability, and now that relations have been around for a considerable amount of time. Let's kill this dinosaur like Linux killed ext filesystem support already. It's so long in the tooth it's starting to go from egregious to just sad. *Bac

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > On Friday 06 November 2015, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Stop rendering this key and instead render the relations > > Is there *any* map style that does this at the moment? > I believe Toby had a working mapnik-based rend

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > Obviously in places where a road can have multiple equivalent references > (such as the US) route relations perfect sense (as does figuring out which > routes are actually signed on which bits of road) but in places where > there's only one

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:56 PM, David Marchal wrote: > ___ > > > > On 06/11/2015 10:24, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > Obviously in places where a road can have multiple equivalent > > references (such as the US) route relations perfec

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > @Colin - I see it now in Wiktionary, but since it is not in the OSM Wiki > how would renderers show or use that information? I guess my point is that > the relation manager and tools are difficult to master and forcing their > use on the gen

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Dave Swarthout > wrote: > >> @Colin - I see it now in Wiktionary, but since it is not in the OSM Wiki >> how would renderers show or use that information? I guess my point is that >&g

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in favor of relations

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Am 07.11.2015 um 13:49 schrieb Dave Swarthout : > > > > . It has three or four relations, provincial, 2 wood multipolygons, and > a river) sharing ways along an international boundary. Trying to separate > on

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