Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-23 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 23.06.2020 um 06:29 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: The wiki page Key:boat says that tag is to specify "Legal access restriction for boats. In the sense of OSM these are small boats and pleasure crafts, including yachts." The picture shows a "no ro

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.10.2019 um 11:24 schrieb Markus: On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 23:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: +1, or e.g. sidewalk:right=lane there are a few instances tagged like this: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/sidewalk%3Aright=lane 18 out of 30 are additionally tagged sidewalk=right. I think

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.10.2019 um 23:23 schrieb Clifford Snow: I'm not familiar with the laws of the country the picture [1] listed in the first post on this thread, but the diagonal yellow lines look to me like a don't park here rather than a sidewalk. Even the one pedestrian in the picture isn't walking the d

Re: [Tagging] key, name, long or a partial abbreviation?

2020-01-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Don't ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair designated parking space tagging?

2019-01-05 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 04.01.2019 um 23:22 schrieb Warin: Possibly there needs to be a main wiki page for 'disabled' features tagging, toilets, tactile paving, parking, access. On 05/01/19 07:58, Paul Allen wrote: On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 at 20:44, Richard > wrote: looking through the w

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-07 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 07.01.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Graeme Fitzpatrick: & here we go: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop%3Dcaravan :-) Seeing that apparently it's already been used 130 odd times, can I take that we don't actually have to RFC & vote on it? May be not necessary to RFC & vote - but I think to

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.01.2019 um 00:29 schrieb Dave Swarthout: Now, if we could only get rid of tourism_caravan_site and replace it with tourism=campground. Sigh. That'll never happen but it should. whoow - please do not stumble over the next misleading OSM-keys. ;-) I think you mean tourism=camp_site, wh

Re: [Tagging] Link roads between different highways type

2019-01-15 Thread Georg Feddern
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 11:52 Saeed Hubaishan wrote: About the subject I used to tag the link with the lowest way class but in: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Link_roads_between_different_highways_types it guides to use the hightest way class.

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.01.2019 um 14:43 schrieb Marc Gemis: On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:55 PM Georg Feddern wrote: tourism=caravan_site is the one where you (at least in Europe) only can stay with motorhomes (selfpropelled) - but not with caravans (towed). but the wiki states on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.02.2019 um 10:22 schrieb Florian Lohoff: So for me retagging residential to unclassified is broken under the assumption that unclassified is something "better" than residential. It is even more broken when there is residential usage in which case unclassified is inappropriate. While discu

Re: [Tagging] highway=service // public road?

2018-05-24 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 23.05.2018 um 22:33 schrieb Greg Troxel: Florian Lohoff writes: I now see increasing usage of service roads as a category below unclassified. People tagging "smaller roads" in the countryside as a service roads. I think this is basically wrong tagging. I find this a little disturbing and

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-17 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 17.09.2018 um 16:17 schrieb Florian Lohoff: is it intentional that StreetComplete tags the maxspeed source/type in maxspeed:type instead of the much more used source:maxspeed? If you search the german forum you will find that it is indeed intentional: StreetComplete wird maxspeed:type taggen

Re: [Tagging] issues with the list of deprecated features

2018-10-17 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.10.2018 um 16:38 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am Mo., 15. Okt. 2018 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Tom Pfeifer mailto:t.pfei...@computer.org>>: On 15.10.2018 10:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 3. amenity=creche and amenity=nursery > For both tags amenity=kindergarten is suggested as

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 07.10.2013 19:13, schrieb Richard Welty: On 10/7/13 1:08 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: I remember seeing such a "cyclists must dismount" on the narrow footway of a bridge over the James River, in Richmond, Virginia, USA. Not only was the footway narrow, [...] there's a cyclists must dismount s

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 08.10.2013 20:16, schrieb Volker Schmidt: Just for your reference - while for many cases, I agree that bicycle=no is appropriate, there are quite interesting cycleways in the Czech Republic, where using bicycle=dismount for nodes on a path would make things easier for

Re: [Tagging] Usefulness of bicycle=dismount on ways

2013-10-16 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 16.10.2013 09:23, schrieb Volker Schmidt: (this thread is so long now, that I don't remember if I have inserted "my" problem with bicycle=no/dismount) Here in Italy we have heaps of pedestrian-only crossings, which are part of dedicated combined foot-cycle paths or even pure cycle paths.

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Georg Feddern
Even I am not Pee Wee nor any author of the proposal, but Am 12.11.2013 19:29, schrieb Dave F.: How does this improve mapping/routing over using bicycle=no? How does your proposal distinguish the exceptions to the rule that you gave as an example below? consider a muscular trike, which is c

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-14 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.11.2013 10:13, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 14/nov/2013 um 00:53 schrieb "Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)" : I don't see why you can't tag the roads you're talking about with bicycle=no (or maybe something like bicycle=restricted for the cases where more significant use is allowed) and

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-14 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.11.2013 10:47, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 14/nov/2013 um 10:40 schrieb Georg Feddern : @Martin: Your reply is only valid for the first line of the citation. An approach which combines 2 tags in a way that the meaning is only true for the combination of both, but not for the

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-14 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.11.2013 11:04, schrieb Andre Engels: And why not? What's the difference between "road: you may not cycle, cyclepath: you may cycle" and "road: you may only cycle on the cyclepath, cyclepath: you may cycle"? And if it's such an important difference, why only use this for cyclists? Why not

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 29.11.2013 13:03, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 29. nov. 2013 10:32, Jonathan wrote: I would agree, I think that covers it. A webcam is surveillance, it's a camera that is watching you making it available to anyone. Some would say that is a greater infringement than an official camera that

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-12-02 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 02.12.2013 11:31, schrieb Pieren: Adding a sub-tag will simply move the current 21700 man_made=surveillance elements without subtags in uncertainty. OK, that is a point, I agree here. I still think that a (public) webcam could be tagged differently from a CCTV because it's not the same pur

Re: [Tagging] How to tag max width at chicane-type bicycle barriers

2013-12-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.12.2013 10:44, schrieb Volker Schmidt: Here in Italy we have plenty of bicycle barriers or chicanes (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Barrier_examples), often with more than 2 inverted-U-shaped bars to make life even more difficult. [...] Should I use "width" or "est_width" which nor

Re: [Tagging] noexit

2013-12-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.12.2013 14:48, schrieb André Pirard: I agree to: This tag is - not necessary for routing - senseless on ways - only useful on nodes (the last one, where no other way is connected) The wiki should be changed, especially the use on ways should be removed. But I do not agree to I doubt

Re: [Tagging] one-directinal bicycle dismount on oneway road ?

2014-01-19 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 19.01.2014 09:19, schrieb Volker Schmidt: I frequently need to map short pieces of a bicycle routes where cyclists have to dismount and walk their bicyle on a one-road in the "wrong" direction. I need something like a one-directinal bicycle dismount. Any suggestions? Yes: Nothing. A cycli

Re: [Tagging] one-directinal bicycle dismount on oneway road ?

2014-01-19 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 19.01.2014 12:06, schrieb Colin Smale: In the UK there is a difference between "no cycles" and "no cycling". Although in general you may be correct that a dismounted cyclist is effectively a pedestrian, there are also footways (or whatever you want to call them) signed as "no cycles", which

Re: [Tagging] Tagging lifeguard watch towers

2014-02-18 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 18.02.2014 14:40, schrieb Fernando Trebien: There's a discussion going on in the Brazilian community on which is the best tag for this. Among the suggestions are: - emergency_service=lifeguard - health_facility:type=first_aid Thinking from the point of view of applications (rendering and geoc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.02.2014 16:35, schrieb Robin `ypid` Schneider: On 25.02.2014 16:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I don't know in this specific (british) context, but my guess is that 12:00+ indicates (typically) until curfew, while "late" maybe has the meaning "beyond curfew". All right. Interesting. If th

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm wondering if anyone can speak to where the tagging for fire_hydrant:type came from? AFAIK the Germans are guilty again - and I plea myself for not-guilty. ;-) (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant and their histor

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.02.2014 22:06, schrieb John Packer: Then I think I am confused too. As the description is right now, what is the difference between building=factory and man_made=works ? yes, that is the point of the thread opener: man_made=works does not make sense for one building only. I always tag ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 09:19, schrieb Philip Barnes: Surely you then need to define when curfew is, does it require a tag law=marshal? :) I don't think so - that's an info you should know or get as soon as you need it - wherever you are. Like the maximum speed without explicit signage - wherever y

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 10:21, schrieb Philip Barnes: This is going off the tagging issue, but it is a bit scarry that you are casually talking about curfews, where outside places like North Korea do they exist? A curfew to me, as a brit equals being arrested/shot for being on the street after a cer

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 13:23, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm currently tinkering with what will be come a proposal to modify current hydrant tagging. my thinking is to add fire_hydrant:water_source={main,pond,stream,standpipe} and deprecate fire_hydrant:type=pond no objections except 'standpipe' - see b

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

2014-03-13 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 13.03.2014 15:56, schrieb fly: On 13.03.2014 15:37, Fernando Trebien wrote: But do you think that earth and ground are different kinds of surface? Well, I would consider earth as earth where ground could be earth but does not have to be. All together, I think we could get rid of at least on

Re: [Tagging] simple_brunnel : one node bridge like xing highway over waterway

2014-04-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.04.2014 21:43, schrieb Richard Z: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 02/04/2014 17:14, Richard Z. wrote: as explained in the rationale the dimensions of the bridge/culvert are frequently only a fraction of the achievable precision. Think of a track crossing a smal

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-16 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.05.2014 19:15, schrieb Andreas Goss: I'd see it like this: capital=2 this place is the capital of a country capital=4 this place is the capital of a region (etc.) i.e. you can see the administrative importance, but there is no notion of which entity the place is the capital. capi

Re: [Tagging] editing polygons in JOSM

2014-05-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.05.2014 21:12, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Am 27.05.2014 20:23, schrieb Tom Gertin: 1. Clip a polygon using another polygon 2. Cut a polygon using a line Cutting by a line is easy: [...] Clipping by a new polygon is basically the same - but draw that new polygon first instead of the line, th

Re: [Tagging] Rendering change: buildings within highway areas

2014-07-02 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 01.07.2014 12:34, schrieb Matthijs Melissen: On 1 July 2014 11:25, Janko Mihelic' > wrote: If I'm right, this will mostly affect pedestrian areas (highway=pedestrian + area=yes) that have buildings mapped over them. Yes, that's correct. Did you consider bu

Re: [Tagging] Proposed change to Tag:access=designated page

2014-08-24 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 24.08.2014 12:43, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: For me, "designated" means that there's a respective sign, e.g. a cycleway sign => bicycle=designated. yes that is the typically (non native-language?) (mis)understanding of designated - and guided by the phrase "A way _marked_ for a particular

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.09.2014 11:48, schrieb Pieren: I think the main issue raised in this thread is to decide if each data consumer can decide alone what surface is paved or not (using this "surface" key and its hundreds values) or if we are able to find a common definition stored in the osm db (using this "pav

Re: [Tagging] Date of survey

2014-12-23 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 23.12.2014 um 05:16 schrieb Marc Gemis: Which would not help in my case, as I work for several days on the same survey. as long as changes are not detected for month/years sometimes - some days difference between real survey and tagged date would not be any problem. And as long as any chan

Re: [Tagging] RFC - obligatory usage - bicycle=obligatory

2015-04-14 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.04.2015 um 07:28 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:08:31 +0200 Volker Schmidt wrote: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Separated_cycle_and_foot_path.jpg I would add also surface (and maybe smoothness) as this one seems to be quite bad. 3) How would y

Re: [Tagging] To tag "opening_hours=by appointment"

2015-06-30 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 30.06.2015 um 19:15 schrieb Robin Schneider: On 30.06.2015 14:04, Marc Gemis wrote:> in the local language (e.g 123 "nach␣Vereinbarung" -- German for by appointment) IMHO this means that there is nothing to forma

Re: [Tagging] waterway=derelict_canal

2015-08-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.08.2015 um 18:49 schrieb Philip Barnes: A disused pub, providing it still looks like a pub, is still a useful navigational feature. Pubs have always been the normal way of giving directions. http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/PrKK4Y3JBpdF3jg6fnLM1g/photo Turn right by The White Horse, carry o

Re: [Tagging] Pubs with accommodation

2015-09-28 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 28.09.2015 um 14:46 schrieb Andy Townsend: Depends on the pub, I'd say. Some places are both a hotel and a pub, some have essentially separate "hotel" and "pub" bits (for which 2 nodes within a building might work) and some (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/75844692 ) are pubs that

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-05 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 05.10.2015 um 12:01 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: Many people have been using (motor_)vehicle=destination for this, but that's just wrong, because "destination" would mean that you are allowed to drive in to take a walk or shoot photos. Sorry, but your interpretation is wrong in my opinion - a

Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

2015-10-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 15.10.2015 um 22:57 schrieb Warin: On 16/10/2015 7:08 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: What the picture shows is a Carrière, which is to be tagged as leisure=pitch sport=equestrian +1 And someone will now say that it is not a sport... just like for cricket_nets ... Anyone for another key sp

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Hello, Am 25.10.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Gerd Petermann: I do not fully agree here. In Germany, I often see a traffic sign "Vorsicht Düker" (~ "Attention! Culvert") next to these culverts. I am not sure why I should pay attention, but it seems that some people think that the traffic on the ro

Re: [Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

2015-11-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.11.2015 um 17:43 schrieb GerdP: I read the wiki a few times and still did not fully understand how this traffic_sign:forward idea should work. If you read (and use) _only_ traffic_sign:forward - I suppose you read only the german wiki page and then I understand your problem, because tha

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a fence made with metal bars?

2015-11-05 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 05.11.2015 um 15:59 schrieb Gonzalo Gabriel Pérez: Hi everyone, I'm reading in the wiki ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type ) about the fence_type key and I think that it ambiguous the way that is described how could be tagged a fence made with metal bars like these, see pic

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.11.2015 um 17:29 schrieb Marc Gemis: On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Florian Lohoff wrote: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/LeaK3riwsMuv7f0i3Jt3XA/photo I would tag the crossing as a node and the "table" as part of the way, not as a node. If it is really enforced to identify a traffic

Re: [Tagging] improve tagging of traffic_calming

2015-11-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.11.2015 um 18:24 schrieb Gerd Petermann: I found 940 nodes which were tagged with highway=traffic_calming. Most of them were also tagged with e.g. traffic_calming=bump or traffic_calming=table or one of the other well documented values. A few were not tagged traffic_calming=*. I changed th

Re: [Tagging] boundary relations and the subarea property

2015-11-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.11.2015 um 15:46 schrieb André Pirard: Have you noticed that some borderlines are *hexaplicated* (that they appear in 6 different relations) and that *that* is unhealthy redundancy that is made unnecessary by subareas? And that, unlike wanting to destroy an enemy, the programs I spoke of

Re: [Tagging] service = parking_access for main ways on a parking lot

2016-03-27 Thread Georg Feddern
At all - what's the matter with the already said "highway=service" only if you can not distinguish the service or if it is a "bigger" service road? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging natural or historic regions

2016-03-28 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 28.03.2016 um 08:28 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 27.03.2016 um 21:59 schrieb Colin Smale : If we can't mark polygons as fuzzy, then we can only allow 'accurate' polygons well, as was proposed above, we could introduce a way to store fuzzy areas without using polygons, or by using more th

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

2016-04-17 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 18.04.2016 um 04:39 schrieb John Eldredge: The 808-foot antenna for radio station WSM fits both the tower and mast descriptions we are using. > You are right about the descriptions in the wiki. The

Re: [Tagging] nursing homes and group homes

2016-06-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.06.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: +1 to social_facility=nursing_home Just some days ago I had to change with my father from a retirement home (with ambulant care) to a nursing home with 24/7 care. I looked at the social_facility scheme - stumbled about the disclaimer - w

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of larger surfaces for rendering and routing

2016-08-15 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.08.2016 um 23:24 schrieb Stefan de Konink: On zondag 14 augustus 2016 22:43:04 CEST, Marc Gemis wrote: IMHO, the value of the highway tag should define its use, not the surface from which it is made. So highway=pedestrian (or service or ...), surface=grass; area=yes makes more sense to me

Re: [Tagging] Freeway exit tagging

2016-08-25 Thread Georg Feddern
I consider the visual lane assistance as it is named - as an assistance useful where there are several options. If there is no assistance anybody who get the advice "take the exit" (*) should obviously use the rightmost lane. So even _no_ turn lane tagging would be an option for me in this (quit

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Freeway exit tagging

2016-08-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.08.2016 um 14:18 schrieb Kieron Thwaites: I can, however, see the rationale behind tagging "none;slight_right", as well as tagging nothing at all, and as such, I think that this is an issue that we need to find consensus on. That said, I believe Paul is quite correct with his statement tha

Re: [Tagging] Busways

2016-11-06 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 02.11.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Tijmen Stam: On 02-11-16 20:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: careful with access=no, I suggest to use vehicle=no in this case, because you risk of excluding pedestrians (and other means of transport you didn't think about) as well (happened around here in the rea

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign relevant direction: relation type:enforcement vs. direction=* vs. traffic_signals:direction=*

2017-03-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.03.2017 um 17:29 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2017-03-27 16:34 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis >: In the case you have added e.g. a stop sign on the way. A second mapper comes in, splits the way on the stop sign, reverts the direction of one of the spit part

Re: [Tagging] Anti-slip surfaces

2017-04-17 Thread Georg Feddern
Hi, Am 17.04.2017 um 22:58 schrieb Dave F: What's the best tag to describe an anti-slip surface made from small grit pieces coating a layer of bitumen?. Often used on footbridges, sometimes pre-made & supplied in rolls to the site. Grit/gravel on their own appears inappropriate as they sugge

Re: [Tagging] Bus relation - circular route - report says not closed

2017-05-18 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 19.05.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Warin: P1) JOSM validator reports that the relation is not closed. Yet all elements appear and they are connected. I cannot verify/reproduce the first part/sentence with JOSM (11639 / 12039). As the relation editor indeed does verify and show the 'circular' aspe

Re: [Tagging] Road barrier

2017-11-28 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 28.11.2017 um 10:00 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: On 27. Nov 2017, at 13:51, Selfish Seahorse > wrote: Sorry for asking again, but does anyone know if motorcar=no implies that there is no access for all multi-track motor vehicles or only for motorcars? In c

Re: [Tagging] Road barrier

2017-11-28 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 28.11.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Selfish Seahorse: On 28 November 2017 at 11:26, Georg Feddern wrote: Yes, unfortunately the european common-in-use traffic sign "VEHICLES PROHIBITED EXCEPT MOTORBIKE/SIDECAR" or "Prohibited for any double-tracked motor vehicles" has no e

Re: [Tagging] route/forward/backward members in all types of routes

2018-01-10 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 10.01.2018 um 12:32 schrieb Ilya Zverev: Selfish Seahorse wrote: The course of the route is determined by the order of the stops in the route relation. Therefore forward/backward roles would be redundant. But stops are not mandatory in public transport routes, unlike highways/railways! I am

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011-07-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Tobias Knerr schrieb: Erik Johansson wrote: I think turnstiles and full height turnstiles should be the barrier=turnstile, add some extra tag to differentiate them. I'm convinced that this point wouldn't come up if the English language didn't happen to use the term "turnstile" for bot

Re: [Tagging] Best way of tagging split between electronic toll and cash lanes?

2011-07-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Nathan Edgars II schrieb: Many toll plazas now have high-speed electronic toll lanes. Tagging seems haphazard. As I see it, the choices are: *What gets tagged as motorway vs. motorway_link? *What gets the name, ref, and relation membership? [...] So the question is whether to use motorway_link

Re: [Tagging] lanes tag dispute

2011-09-18 Thread Georg Feddern
Toby Murray schrieb: My take on lanes is that it should be the number of continuous lanes along a road. This impacts traffic flow and road capacity which allows routers to make more informed decisions. Turning lanes don't increase overall road capacity. That's always the problem in OSM: Is it m

Re: [Tagging] second_hand shops

2011-11-06 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 05.11.2011 15:49, schrieb Tobias Johansson: I think it would be good with two values. only and both, to make a distinction between purly second hand shops and second hand shops that also sells new items. +1 (maybee second_hand=yes could subbstitute only -1 If you want to differentia

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.04.2012 11:35, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: in the case of parallel ways it is impossible to tell whether you can filter them out or not (there could be a separation or they could be on different height levels), especially if people are mapping sidewalks the same as separated footways. Th

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.04.2012 12:47, schrieb p...@trigpoint.me.uk: I am wondering what happens where there are no crossings, or outside of built up areas where there are no sidewalks. That's quite easy: Where there are no crossings - no crossings can be used, any routing will use the nearest point approach

Re: [Tagging] Turn Restriction usage

2012-04-12 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.04.2012 15:42, schrieb Simone Saviolo: 2012/4/11 Ross Scanlon: No. The router should know not to do this. Likewise as below the router should not make u turns at traffic lights. Based on what? How does the router know that the two ways are two carriageways of a single road? Couldn't the

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-12 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 12.04.2012 15:15, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 12. April 2012 08:44 schrieb Georg Feddern: A router that does not consider sidewalks will use the roads anyway. No, a router that doesn't consider sidewalks would with the currently suggested tagging use the sidewalk and think it

Re: [Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 20.04.2012 10:46, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)

Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia

2012-04-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.04.2012 08:58, schrieb Elena ``of Valhalla'': On 2012-04-24 at 21:46:35 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Pieren - thanks for pointing out that "area=yes" is highway only. How could the documentation for it be clearer [1]? It's not highway only. For

Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia

2012-04-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.04.2012 12:29, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: -1, place=locality shouldn't be used here, because according to the wiki it is not to be used for settlements or parts of them Objection granted! I abandon this question, Your Honour! ;-) ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.04.2012 13:07, schrieb Colin Smale: 1) the hard shoulder is sometimes opened to traffic, creating an extra lane on the right this case is used in Germany in several regions e.g. http://www.staufreieshessen2015.hessen.de/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/slimp.CMReader/HMWVL_15/Staufrei_Inte

Re: [Tagging] "contact:phone" or "phone" to combine with "amenity=telephone"

2012-04-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.04.2012 18:07, schrieb Mike N: On 4/26/2012 8:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Can we use the taginfo stats to revert the change made the 2nd may > 2010 where "phone" has been replaced by "contact:phone" and add a big > "deprecate" notice on the "contact:" namespace wiki ? (overall, w

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.04.2012 09:23, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: What do you think of lanes=3.5? I have an example here: Not sure, how many lanes these are, could be 5 or even 5.5? Depends on the car widths and the experience of the drivers: Heheh... :-) ...there's

Re: [Tagging] Dispute prevention: meaning of lanes tag

2012-04-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 27.04.2012 11:54, schrieb Ilpo Järvinen: ...But how can I tag you this: A road which is lanes=1+wide _AND_ lanes=2+narrow at the same time? ...You ask me to provide width and select one of those two, and that is what I oppose, unless you give me some real tag that is not width to tell that 'he

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Georg Feddern
For highway=pedestrian, at platforms and many other things we allow to add area=yes to a feature to turn a circular way (ring) to a circular area (filled area, polygon). If - and that's in fact more or less the result of the discussions we had in the last days - the difference between mini rou

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Georg Feddern
How about diameter=15 on the mini-roundabout node? This is factually correct, verifiable on the ground and (IMHO) non-controversial; routing would not be affected (no need to route over areas) and renderers can draw a bigger blob. Problem solved, simples. +1 (as to Peter) I would prefer this

Re: [Tagging] Mapping larger Mini-roundabouts

2012-06-06 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 06.06.2012 14:09, schrieb Pieren: On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: On the other hand I would propose to add area=yes to avoid confusion both at data consumer side as well as on mapper side (yes, they MEANT it to be a mini roundabout, I guess, because they knew it's an ar

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-31 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 31.07.2012 10:33, schrieb "Petr Morávek [Xificurk]": Kytömaa Lauri wrote: Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: 2) A relation exists with member ways without ref tag. This means that the route is essentially mapped and any further editor is correcting errors, that he found. Then someone comes and

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 31.07.2012 22:50, schrieb LM_1: Not knowing how different routers use access I believe that ways marked as access=customers should be routed with some sort of warning. The same goes for access=private. Quite commonly the real final destination would be in some limited access area and so router

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.09.2012 14:46, schrieb Martin Vonwald: Hi! I'm looking for a map where I can see what ways are (not) tagged with surface/smoothness. http://roads.osm4people.org/?zoom=7&lat=49.60305&lon=10.72137&layers=B0TFF ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] Map for surface/smoothness?

2012-09-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.09.2012 18:14, schrieb Martin Vonwald (Imagic): Am 11.09.2012 um 16:10 schrieb Georg Feddern : http://roads.osm4people.org/?zoom=7&lat=49.60305&lon=10.72137&layers=B0TFF Thanks! This covers surface, but smoothness isn't supported as far as I can see. not yet

Re: [Tagging] Exclusive access rights

2012-11-01 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 31.10.2012 23:49, schrieb Johan C: Ok, so what you guys are saying is that http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Restrictions is wrong on the description of motor_vehicles. Fine to me, but I would appreciate an improvement of that page then. How can that be achieved? I do not s

Re: [Tagging] Clean-up the seamark landmark tags on the wiki (and perhaps later in the db)

2012-11-24 Thread Georg Feddern
Hi, Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the SeaMap, I'm just a coast dweller. Am 23.11.2012 11:48, schrieb Frederik Ramm: True - a cemetery is a cemetery and whether or not cemeteries are used as landmarks by seamen doesn't change that. I do not see, that the seamark:xxx=cemetery will repla

Re: [Tagging] SF Muni tram lines are layer=1? and general tagging levels considerations

2012-12-17 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 18.12.2012 07:31, schrieb A.Pirard.Papou: On 2012-12-17 22:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/12/17 A.Pirard.Papou > We badly need precision. . In fact, the only effect of assigning a layer is that upper layer objects hide lower layer ones (it's no

Re: [Tagging] Source tag - deprecated for use on objects?

2013-01-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 02.01.2013 18:16, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: +1, the smaller (and more sorted by kind of change action) changesets get, the better the chance that the following mapping will understand easily what it is about. There is really no point in grouping different kinds of edits in the same set of c

Re: [Tagging] Names on relations and not component ways

2013-01-06 Thread Georg Feddern
Hello, Am 04.01.2013 14:43, schrieb dies38...@mypacks.net: I recently created a waterway where I put the name of the waterway on the relation but not on the component ways which are grouped by the relation. To me, not duplicating data would seem to be the better overall practice, and duplic

Re: [Tagging] business closed for renovation - tagging best practice

2013-01-18 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 17.01.2013 16:42, schrieb Janko Mihelić: Well then you decide what its status is. Is it an abandoned building (building=yes), or is it a temporarily closed McDonalds (building=yes, amenity=restaurant, temporary:opening_hours=off). If someone says "Meet me at the abandoned McDonalds", you

Re: [Tagging] fire_hydrant extensions proposal

2013-03-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 11.03.2013 13:29, schrieb Richard Welty: On 3/11/13 7:25 AM, Andreas Labres wrote: Please keep in mind, there already a rather big list of possible tags: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant (only in German) and what the OpenFireMap displays (the diameter): http:

Re: [Tagging] New Proposal

2013-05-01 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 01.05.2013 12:53, schrieb Philip Barnes: The slip roads are straight ahead, whilst the through route curves to the right. The tag is need to tell the router that straight ahead is not stay on the same road. Hope that explains it. uhm, had you ever considered to tag both following ways

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of "local" produce

2013-07-03 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 03.07.2013 05:43, schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: Some farm stands actually sell in-season produce direct off the adjacent farm. Others, which look the same from the road, sell imported goods only. A third type offers the goods from various local farms. How could I tag the difference? May be some

Re: [Tagging] Seeking 3 volunteers (to send their votes down on toilets).

2013-08-13 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 14.08.2013 06:06, schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: Would three kind souls take the time to vote at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets To bring the total to 15 voters? It seems there are not so many interested souls ... I won't depend it on the _absolute_ numbe

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Feddern
Erik Johansson schrieb: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Willi wrote: 2) If the answer is 'use a relation', have I done it properly, and if so, why isn't Mapnik rendering the name properly? 2) If and how a feature is rendered is up to the renderer. The mapper can't and imho sho

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