Re: [Tagging] JOSM 7995 (January 2015) released

2015-02-01 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have just started up JOSM and, while it did upload 7995 and ask me to update my plug-ins the last entry on the start page is still ... 2014-12-29 (7906) On 1 February 2015 at 15:45, MichaƂ Brzozowski wrote: > Oddly enough, there is no info on the JOSM start page. I thought this > info gets upd

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Unfortunately things are changing regarding the Hard Shoulder on UK motorways. During times of congestion the Hard Shoulder is opened up to alleviate some of the problem by allow traffic to use it to get to the next off ramp and leave the motorway. So access=no would only apply some of the time (an

Re: [Tagging] Access restrictions for shoulder lanes?

2015-02-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Now your question is a lot clearer. The highway=motorway already implies that there is two or more lanes plus an emergency hard shoulder, but this does not apply to other highways. The only other tag is the highway=escape which is something completely different. I am not aware of any other tag that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-08 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have to admit I admire the problem but do not have an answer. What I would like to suggest that dropping the "desk" part and just using "reception" could make it more conducive to the various applications being discussed. It could then be added as a subcategory to the area/building such as recept

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - traffic_signals (Lukas Schaus)

2015-02-10 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
My feelingsis this not something for a separate study by someone rather than a feature on OSM? Keeping this kind of information updated will be an impossibilitymany cities are becoming "computerised" and the signals adjusted according to the traffic conditions along that road. At best the t

Re: [Tagging] building=yes on nodes?

2015-02-20 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
In a discussion with Ivan Gayton of MSF on this subject and his view on the humanitarian angle isthey prefer the "area" to be shown rather than the node. They use the area in estimating the number of occupants (for which they have worked out an average table for the areas they require). So wher

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I believe there is room for tagging both the amenity and the private toilet where this is deemed a positive study point. The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is rendered on the map. As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places where it is j

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Well, I guess I am also out of this. Needs me to log in to make a comment but appears I have done something wrong because it just does not work for me. I do not have a Google account and my Virgin email is unacceptable. So I cannot comment. Question:... Can you include pictures or diagrams as vis

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Thanks Kotya, Being able to include pictures, etc, is at least is a great positive. I still need to sort out what has happened to stop me from signing up for the group. If this is going to be a common problem then it may discourage some from getting involved. Or we need to give more accurate sign

Re: [Tagging] Loomio evaluation

2015-03-23 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
The next question is The results of the graph are based on the response of the person when they post their comment. This affects the result of the pie chart because it starts to clock up how people feel before all the comments for and against have been posted. Those later arguments could affec

Re: [Tagging] How does an end user use camp site data ?

2015-03-28 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
David Bannon, a great approach to rendering information on the OpenStreetMap which should be adopted for deciding all symbols... HOW DOES AN END USER USE THE DATA. If the overall area rendering for a campsite remains the same and a node symbol within the campsite is rendered in the colour depicting

Re: [Tagging] model airplane "airfield"

2015-04-07 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
If it has a formal airfield then the name would indicate what it is, such as the 'Avondale Model Flying Club' but this tag needs a bit more investigation and discussion as there are over 800 clubs affiliated to the British Model Flying Association, some are indoors, some are outdoor airfields for m

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

2015-05-16 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I believe that the discussion regarding amenity v landuse should consider that where amenity designates the actual use of the area as in amenity=school, landuse designates the general use of the land... in the case of the school it should be landuse=education, the same as you get landuse=residenti

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

2015-05-18 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
My apologies for that inaccuracy Richard On 18 May 2015 at 10:43, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > > OSM is only now starting to realise that not all the specialist detail > > can be depicted on one map and we are starting to see > > specialist areas creati

Re: [Tagging] Airport power and USB stations

2015-05-24 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
The idea is to get this rendered on the map. My opt is for amenity=power_socket which is what people will be looking for. It will be impossible to have a different symbol to indicate every different type of outlet in the world. Then the next thing they will need to know is the type of socket so t

Re: [Tagging] Removal of "amenity" from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
And with this argument for a hierarchical approach we are back to the start point of umbrella tags that cover all possibilities which is landuse=educational as a polygon encompassing the whole area and the whole range of educational facilities. using landuse=school excludes universities, colleges

Re: [Tagging] Big amenity=fountain

2015-05-31 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I am a bit puzzled by the use of amenity here. According to wiki it is "Covering an assortment of community facilities..." that are of obvious use to locals and/or tourists such as toilets, banks, schools. I find the use of amenity for things like a bar or biergarten or sauna to be outside this d

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

2015-06-04 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
[Errr road is where you cannot determine the classification. highway=road is where you cannot determine anything other than it is some link between features. [ From satellite imagery I can infer the surface and number of lanes most of the time. [ I can usually infer the classificatio

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

2015-06-04 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
The oneway=yes, oneway=no conundrum.. put yourself in the position where you are looking at a road ahead of you. It is only wide enough for one vehicle but has passing bays along it's length. It is not wide enough to be a conventional twoway road so can it be tagged twoway? That would give the