Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 3:13 AM, Warin wrote: It may look like sports are played there to you and me. It may resemble a park to others. However none of those may be the case! Or it may not be the primary use. Simply viewing it without local knowledge may well cause errors! The local mapper should say what

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier : > The concept they are closest to is "plaza" > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza) - which, by the way, does not seem > to have currency in Openstreetmap. place=square Cheers Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@liotier.org>>: The concept they are closest to is "plaza" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza) - which, by the way, does not seem to have currency in Opens

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier < > j...@liotier.org>: > >> The concept they are closest to is "plaza" >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/4/20 8:08 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier mailto:j...@lioti

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 30/04/2020 12:10, Peter Elderson wrote: Seems to me that a "common" is an adequate word for such a place, so =common would be right. That makes sense to me as well. What key to use? I think it's a use of the land. Actual use can vary, may be leisure, may be commerce, may be parking, mayb

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 14:07 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend : > On 30/04/2020 12:10, Peter Elderson wrote: > > landuse=common makes most sense to me. > > name, surface, access etc could be added when applicable. > > > That's currently one of the keys used at > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 12:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: if these are significant open areas that are used for recreation and to meet each other, it seems improbable that they do not have names. Can you back your claim with real world examples? Go wander around Dakar and Bamako !

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On 4/30/20 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 14:07 Uhr schrieb Andy Townsend mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com>>: How about "leisure=common"? +1, I would prefer leisure=common over landuse, as these seem to be "features" (countable, etc.) leisure=common is an especi

[Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

Consider a wetland that contains a water body. I'm used to map that as natural=water inside natural=wetland - no multipolygon fanciness, just one on top of the other. JOSM validator complains about it, which irks me, so I opened a ticket at https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19171 - where mdk

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

Hi, I would create a multipolygon for that. Wetland is something different than a lake/pond. For wetland the wiki says, that wetland areas contain "characteristic vegetation that is adapted to its unique soil conditions" [0]. A lake obviously doesn't (at least no land-vegetation like grass and bu

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 04:36:31PM +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Consider a wetland that contains a water body. I'm used to map that as > natural=water inside natural=wetland - no multipolygon fanciness, just one > on top of the other. JOSM validator complains about it, which irks me, so I > op

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

> wetland area within a forest where trees are growing also within the wetland area That’s a “swamp”: natural=wetland + wetland=swamp https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dswamp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamp#Differences_between_marshes_and_swamps _

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On 30/04/2020 16:29, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > wetland area within a forest where trees are growing also within the wetland area That’s a “swamp”: natural=wetland + wetland=swamp https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:wetland%3Dswamp ... or it might be seasonal or intermittent, depending on

[Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

Hello, I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" (perhaps because they are unpaved?), e.g. [0]. Before I change these, I wanted to c

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:46, Mike Thompson wrote: > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" > (perhaps because they are unp

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:45, Andy Townsend via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: There are always going to be edge cases that aren't easy to categorise. > There's an area just up the road from where I am currently that started out > as https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/13866095 > That'

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

Mike is right, a driveway to a residential property should be highway=service + service=driveway, not highway=track, even if it unpaved dirt. This mis-tagging is probably common because OpenStreetMap-Carto and some other common map styles do not distinguish between unpaved and paved service roads.

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > This mis-tagging is probably common because OpenStreetMap-Carto and some > other common map styles do not distinguish between unpaved and paved > service roads. (We're working on it: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pu

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On 30/04/2020 19:09, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:45, Andy Townsend via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote: There are always going to be edge cases that aren't easy to categorise.  There's an area just up the road from where I am currently that started o

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 06:58:55PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 18:46, Mike Thompson wrote: > > > > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > > where driveways and resid

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:28 PM ael wrote: > I would not be comfortable tagging very rough tracks as anything but a track: > if it requires a 4 wheel drive or agricultural vehicle to negotiate. > I think a "road" normally implies navigation with a standard vehicle is > possible. In general that i

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

Mike Thompson writes: > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" > (perhaps because they are unpaved?), e.g. [0]. Before I cha

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:45 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > Not really germane to driveways, but a major distinction, at least > around me (ma.us) is that > > a road is a legal thing, with its own parcel > > a track is an agricultural road, or old time logging road, within a > parcel Here in Color

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > This mis-tagging is probably common because OpenStreetMap-Carto and some > other common map styles do not distinguish between unpaved and paved

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Florian Lohoff wrote: I also do consider overlapping natural and landuses to be a bug, > either its a natural=scrub or a landuse=farmland. It cant be both. > Sorry, Florian, but why do you say that? I've seen a lot of farms with scrub on them! Thanks Graeme __

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:15 PM Tod Fitch wrote: > In the rural southern Arizona community where my parents retired the only > real way to tell the difference between a track and a service+driveway+upaved > is whether you end up at a house in a reasonable amount of distance. In all of the cases

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

On 1/5/20 9:14 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:25, Florian Lohoff mailto:f...@zz.de>> wrote: I also do consider overlapping natural and landuses to be a bug, either its a natural=scrub or a landuse=farmland. It cant be both. Sorry, Florian, but why do you sa

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

> Vast areas of Australia are used to raise cattle, no tillage yet they are 'used' for farm land. And they are natural scrub... These areas are considered "rangeland" in North American English. I would not tag them as landuse=farmland, because they are only lightly touched by human intervention, i

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:08:22 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin > <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > > > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier < > > j...@liotier.org>: