Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-08 Thread Andreas Goss
As >this tag is always going to be used within another entity I think we should >rather look towards something like indoor tagging or other subtags. In >addition using amenity for reception desk would for example prevent you from >placing it on the node of the amenity and use one node for both. N

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reception Desk

2015-02-08 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have to admit I admire the problem but do not have an answer. What I would like to suggest that dropping the "desk" part and just using "reception" could make it more conducive to the various applications being discussed. It could then be added as a subcategory to the area/building such as recept

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I appreciate that you bring this up, and share the analysis that neither highway pedestrian nor leisure=* are describing a courtyard (it might be accessible to cars, not accessible at all, could have a leisure related aspect but doesn't have to, etc.). From a technical point of view they are ty

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.02.2015 15:47, wrote Martin Koppenhoefer: > I am not in favour of place (neither locality nor courtyard), maybe > building:part=courtyard would be a good tag semantic wise No, it definitely wouldn't. The building:part key has a clear definition e.g. in the context of 3D rendering that does

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 15:47 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > maybe building:part=courtyard would be a good tag semantic wise (but > unlikely to be rendered on the main style) > +1 That's the first one that came to my mind. That is a part of the building. When I was mapping manors I would put building=m

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread fly
Am 07.02.2015 um 11:19 schrieb Martin Vonwald: > 2015-02-07 0:31 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić : >> 2015-02-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich : >>> >>> We could also user a lanes modifier: >>> lanes=3 >>> lanes:backward=2 >>> tram:lanes:backward=yes|no >>> tram:forward=yes Actually, I use an even

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly : > > Let me know if there's a place with a lot of such tags and I try to > update > > the style. (Please contact me directly via martin (the usual) vonwald > > (dot.) info for this) > > +1 > Keep your +1 until I tried AND succeeded ;-) And yes: some consistent tag

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 08.02.2015 um 16:14 schrieb Tobias Knerr : > > No, it definitely wouldn't. The building:part key has a clear definition > e.g. in the context of 3D rendering that does not fit for courtyards at > all. All building:part elements need to represent filled-out volumes > rather than empty volu

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 17:48 GMT+01:00 fly : > Actually, I use an even more general approach: > railway:forward=tram > railway:lanes:backward=tram|no > > together with access I also use train > access:lanes:backward=no|yes > train:lanes:backward=designated|no > I don't understand why you would use railway:fo

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Jo
I don't like to reuse the same ways for both railway and highway. The shape of the railways follow smooth curves for obvious reasons, whereas cars can make 90 degree turns. So I'll always keep using separate ways for the tram rails. One for each direction of travel. And a way in the middle (on the

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 8 February 2015 at 19:57, Jo wrote: > I don't like to reuse the same ways for both railway and highway. The shape > of the railways follow smooth curves for obvious reasons, whereas cars can > make 90 degree turns. I don't understand why that is a problem. If the road is such that the vehicles

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Warin
On 9/02/2015 1:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: From a technical point of view they are typically associated with fire protection (way to leave the building, access for firefighters), If the courtyard is fully enclosed by buildings or by one building .. they are not part of a fire escape (p

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Jo
is it one asphalt way with one track? Then I agree. Or is it one asphalt way with two tracks, one for each direction of the tram lines? Then I'd draw 3 ways, 2 for the tracks, and 1 for the highway. Jo 2015-02-08 21:35 GMT+01:00 Markus Lindholm : > On 8 February 2015 at 19:57, Jo wrote: > > I d

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > in architecture you'd definitely consider a courtyard part of a building, > and volumes are distinguished in fully closed, open at the top and closed > on top but open at the sides (at least in German building codes aka DIN), > but if

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:rubbish=

2015-02-08 Thread Warin
A proposal for a new high level tag of .. Rubbish :-) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features_key%3Drubbish At present there as a number of 'waste' values under the amenity key. Some people say the amenity key is being over used. There are people thinking of adding more waste val

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
2015-02-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Jo : > I don't like to reuse the same ways for both railway and highway. The > shape of the railways follow smooth curves for obvious reasons, whereas > cars can make 90 degree turns. So I'll always keep using separate ways for > the tram rails. One for each direction of

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Markus Lindholm wrote: > On 8 February 2015 at 19:57, Jo wrote: > > I don't like to reuse the same ways for both railway and highway. The > shape > > of the railways follow smooth curves for obvious reasons, whereas cars > can > > make 90 degree turns. > > I don't

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Luca Sigfrido Percich
Hi all, many thanks for all your feedback! It will take me a week to sort it all out! :) In Milano we already have (nearly) all the tram traks drawn as distinct ways, so switching back to the "single way for highway and railway" model wouldn't be a good option - it would mean losing detail. I un

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
train:lanes=* might be a tag worth inventing for the highway way, giving it more thought. On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Luca Sigfrido Percich < luca.perc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > many thanks for all your feedback! It will take me a week to sort it all > out! :) > > In Milano we alread

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Jo
I'm afraid joggers may want to start training on those train:lanes... Do you mean rail:lanes? or tram_track:lanes? or tram_rails:lanes? 2015-02-09 0:08 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson : > train:lanes=* might be a tag worth inventing for the highway way, giving > it more thought. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:rubbish=

2015-02-08 Thread David Bannon
On Mon, 2015-02-09 at 09:15 +1100, Warin wrote: > A proposal for a new high level tag of .. Rubbish :-) Sigh ... . OK, its a good solution but before I'd vote for it, I'd like someone to explain a few things to me - Firstly, how is rubbish= a better solution than the slight redefinition of waste

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 8 February 2015 at 22:32, Jo wrote: > is it one asphalt way with one track? Then I agree. Or is it one asphalt way > with two tracks, one for each direction of the tram lines? Then I'd draw 3 > ways, 2 for the tracks, and 1 for the highway. Fair enough, but that doesn't quite correspond to the

Re: [Tagging] courtyards

2015-02-08 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 08.02.2015 22:17, Warin wrote: >> >From a technical point of view they are typically associated with fire >> >protection (way to leave the building, access for firefighters), > > If the courtyard is fully enclosed by buildings or by one building .. they > are not part of a fire escape (prote

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Luca Sigfrido Percich
Hi Jo, I was looking closely at your example, and noticed that maybe the highway tag is missing from this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40283536 because the tram line looks interrupted there. Sig 2015-02-07 1:12 GMT+01:00 Jo : > The reason to use separate ways for trams can be seen in t

Re: [Tagging] Tram tracks running in a road

2015-02-08 Thread Luca Sigfrido Percich
Sorry I meant the railway tag. just added a note on the map 2015-02-09 8:54 GMT+01:00 Luca Sigfrido Percich : > Hi Jo, > > I was looking closely at your example, and noticed that maybe the highway > tag is missing from this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40283536 > because the tram line lo