Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

I'll weigh in with the common American conception of "dirt road". It is a general term meaning unpaved. As Jaakko correctly pints out, some "dirt roads" are really quite well built. For an example close to my Alaska home, the long lonely road leading to the Prudhoe Bay oilfields, see these images o

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

Here's my take from an Englishman! While the term dirt road is used here, it is much rarer as all public (adopted) roads in the UK are paved in some way shape or form. Most dirt roads are probably private roads, farm tracks or paths. Now, back to the original question. I totally agree with

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On 13.03.2014 10:34, jonathan wrote: > Here's my take from an Englishman! > > While the term dirt road is used here, it is much rarer as all public > (adopted) roads in the UK are paved in some way shape or form. Most > dirt roads are probably private roads, farm tracks or paths. > > Now, back t

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - amenity=Boat_sharing

Dear all, the proposal is now open for voting. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boat_sharing The idea is to create a tag for boat sharing communities, just in analogy of the existing and well accepted tag "amenity=car_sharing". Thank you very much for voting. nounours77 _

[Tagging] Feature proposal: tourism=apartment: approved

Dear all, the proposal reached the end of the voting period. There were 10 Yes and 0 No. I consider therefore the proposal to be accepted. Thank you all for your comments and the support for the proposal Nounours77 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

[Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

Hi, How great to finally more than an empty page !!! But now, if that relation factorizes (2) "street name" shouldn't it factorize addr: city, country, postcode too? Shouldn't those keys be allowed in the relation? Shouldn't those who

Re: [Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

What do you mean by 'factorize'? Jo 2014-03-13 15:00 GMT+01:00 André Pirard : > Hi, > > How great to finally more than an empty > page!!! > But now, if that relation factorizes (2) "street name" shouldn't it > factorize addr: city

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

But do you think that earth and ground are different kinds of surface? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:16 AM, fly wrote: > On 13.03.2014 10:34, jonathan wrote: >> Here's my take from an Englishman! >> >> While the term dirt road is used here, it is much rarer as all public >> (adopted) roads in the UK

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On 13.03.2014 15:37, Fernando Trebien wrote: > But do you think that earth and ground are different kinds of surface? Well, I would consider earth as earth where ground could be earth but does not have to be. All together, I think we could get rid of at least one out of the three tags after updat

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 09:34:24AM +, jonathan wrote: > Here's my take from an Englishman! > > While the term dirt road is used here, it is much rarer as all >From another English person, I would say that "dirt" in British English is understood to mean the substance which causes something to

Re: [Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

On 2014-03-13 15:17, Jo wrote : > What do you mean by 'factorize'? The same as Sylvain Letuffe and Albert Einstein ;-) ab+ac=a×(b+c) a is a multiple common factor that is expressed only once. It is the street name that can be alongside each number or only once in the relation. Понимаешь? ;-) Cheer

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On 13/03/2014 15:09, ael wrote: From another English person, I would say that "dirt" in British English is understood to mean the substance which causes something to be "not clean". That is it is much wider in meaning than soil or earth. But it is almost never used to mean soil or earth under y

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

Am 13.03.2014 15:56, schrieb fly: On 13.03.2014 15:37, Fernando Trebien wrote: But do you think that earth and ground are different kinds of surface? Well, I would consider earth as earth where ground could be earth but does not have to be. All together, I think we could get rid of at least on

Re: [Tagging] Relation:associatedStreet: house or address? factorizing?

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 3:00 PM, André Pirard > (1) the role is "house" but the descriptive comment very vaguely, tersely > and strangely describes it as "one or more house numbers" which is logical. > Should I assume that "house" is a misnomer, that it means "address" and > that I need only the

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On 3/13/14 12:02 PM, Georg Feddern wrote: > > So I would get rid of dirt, but keep 'earth' beside 'ground' as a > useful value (smooth walking on hiking trails) . where as for my mapping in the US, dirt is the only one that i use, and common usage is to refer to these roads as dirt roads by pretty

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

My two cents: "dirt" maybe applies only to road surface "ground" human impacted 'earth' "earth" as natural as remains depending on location =Russ -Original Message- From: Georg Feddern [mailto:o...@bavarianmallet.de] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:03 AM To: Tag discussion, strategy a

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

In Portuguese, we have the same false friend as French, and I'd guess Spanish and Italian have it too. At least for Portuguese, literal translations of these terms (ground, dirt, earth and soil) correspond exactly to your description, Steve. If we translate literally, however, we're gonna see peopl

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

While I'd probably colloquially call it a "dirt road", your description of the construction sounds suspiciously like the construction developed by John MacAdam and may well be considered to be surfaced road by a highway engineer. In the early days of motoring that type of road was considered to

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

It seems that: - if a surface can be grass or paved, asphalt, concrete, paving_stones, etc., then it seems the only reason to state "the surface consists of ground" is if it's unpaved and without vegetation, right? - the American usage of "dirt" (as in "your car will get dirty") is a broad descript

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours open until

Hi After some discussion about this feature on the mailing list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-February/016559.html the proposal is now open for voting. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until -- Live long and prosper Robin Schneide

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select

Hi again And direct the next one. Sadly there was no discussion for this proposal yet. Started voting phase: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_holiday_select -- Live long and prosper Robin Schneider ___ Tagging mailin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - amenity=Boat_sharing

On 2014-03-13 14:20, nounours77 wrote : > Dear all, > > the proposal is now open for voting. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boat_sharing > > The idea is to create a tag for boat sharing communities, just in analogy of > the existing and well accepted tag "amenity=car_sha

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - opening hours holiday select

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: It's unclear if your proposal is "opening_hours=SH(summer holiday)" or "opening_hours=SH" (then you should correct the wiki because the tag template is using the first version) I guess you plan to update the main "opening_hours" wiki

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Fernando Trebien < fernando.treb...@gmail.com> wrote: > It seems that: > - if a surface can be grass or paved, asphalt, concrete, > paving_stones, etc., then it seems the only reason to state "the > surface consists of ground" is if it's unpaved and without vegeta

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

So: - "earth" is a close synonym of "soil" (though it's not exactly the same thing) - "ground" could refer to: soil/earth (no vegetation), soil/earth + vegetation (say, grass) - "dirt" could refer to: soil/earth, clay, sand, arguably gravel (it may not be correct but it may be a good idea to clarif

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

> Am 13/mar/2014 um 15:56 schrieb fly : > > Well, I would consider earth as earth where ground could be earth but > does not have to be. +1, both are probably an indication that the way is travelled frequently enough/compacted to some level that prevents vegetation (ok, this surely depends o

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

> Am 13/mar/2014 um 20:57 schrieb Fernando Trebien : > > So: > - "earth" is a close synonym of "soil" (though it's not exactly the same > thing) > - "ground" could refer to: soil/earth (no vegetation), soil/earth + > vegetation (say, grass) IMHO if it's grass then the mapper will most likely

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

In Australia, we refer to a "dirt road" meaning just about any unsealed road. Very rarely use "earth" or "ground". Ground sounds to me more like the level than the surface, I'd argue most roads are at ground level ! We often describe a gravel road as a dirt road, as such a road goes through its n

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

Well, I've updated the descriptions in the wiki for ground, dirt and earth: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Asurface&diff=1000653&oldid=978363 Does it look ok? On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:31 PM, David Bannon wrote: > > In Australia, we refer to a "dirt roa

[Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

I'm very interested to hear people's opinion on landuse=civic_admin It would be a landuse for townhalls and other capital buildings, Federal Buildings, DMV, courthouses, and other basic civic administrative offices where it is clearly a government building. This is to have a matching landuse to

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

I agree with David Bannon when he says " 'earth' and 'ground' are really not very informative terms" when it comes to road surfaces but not what he says about dirt, and with most of what Martin said in his recent post, but especially that a "dirt road does not contain gravel" even though we colloqu

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

+1 for dirt. There is a distinct difference between a dirt and gravel roads, as well as sand. In the US, dirt roads - especially fire and forestry roads - are maintained for private and emergency access. Most of these roads are maintained by grading, but are not surfaced with gravel in any way

Re: [Tagging] surface=ground/dirt/earth

Keeping up with you: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Asurface&diff=1000695&oldid=1000659 It seems science defines "soil" more broadly, we sure can expect people to choose based on common (not scientific) usage. From Wikipedia: "[Soil] is a natural body that

Re: [Tagging] Landuse=civic_admin

+1 to define "landuse=civic_admin". It is very helpful to represent the outline when using type=site relation. Especially for more than 2 amenities shares 1 landuse. e.g. in the case of 2 schools (junior high & high school) is in 1 landuse, in Japan. I think they must be represent as type=site re

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

> not sure but usually the sauna in public baths is somewhat separated so > we might as well tag part of the object as sauna. Yes, this is a very difficult point. I also could not define which is better. Maybe depending on the situation and country. But from Japanese view, Onsen's main feature is

Re: [Tagging] Hot springs

To me, Amenity=onsen is similar to amenity=townhall. for many onsen, there is no particular room you would say is " the onsen," just like no particular room is the "townhall", It is the title of the facility itself.. The purpose of the facility becomes it's name. There might be some small fac