Re: [Tagging] landuse=forest VS natural=wood

2013-10-04 Thread Dave Swarthout
To me, the word and tag "landuse" implies human intervention or intention; people are using the land or area in a certain way. Natural implies something hat exists in a state of nature, in other words, not made or regulated by man. Regardless of prior usage, therefore, I tend to agree with Werner.

Re: [Tagging] landuse=forest VS natural=wood

2013-10-04 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 04.10.2013 08:24, schrieb Werner Poppele: > Waelder mit natural=wood sind nach meinem Verstaendnis Urwaelder, > Waelder im Hochgebirge oder Waelder in Nationalparks usw. Dein Verständnis ist insofern richtig, als es der derzeit herrschenden Interpretation entspricht, die vor Jahren mal auf eine

Re: [Tagging] landuse=forest VS natural=wood

2013-10-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 04/ott/2013 um 13:18 schrieb Tobias Knerr : > > die "hier ist Wald" und "diese Fläche wird forstwirtschaftlich genutzt" > voneinander entkoppelt. Früher mal war das der Fall, indem man für > ersteres natural=wood verwendet hat, und für letzteres landuse=forest > ergänzen(!) konnte. Für "d

Re: [Tagging] landuse=forest VS natural=wood

2013-10-04 Thread Petr Morávek [Xificurk]
Dne 4.10.2013 13:18, Tobias Knerr napsal(a): > Am 04.10.2013 08:24, schrieb Werner Poppele: >> Waelder mit natural=wood sind nach meinem Verstaendnis Urwaelder, >> Waelder im Hochgebirge oder Waelder in Nationalparks usw. > > Dein Verständnis ist insofern richtig, als es der derzeit herrschenden >

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Thanks all - some great suggestions. To clarify, I'm not looking to put detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. Based on Richard M's and Janko's suggestions, I'm tempted to use: journ

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread sabas88
Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM (although not on relations yet), like http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/176323421 Cheers, Stefano ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagg

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
sabas88 wrote: > Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM Indeed. I actually edited duration out of my OSRM route profile because it gave misleading results for cycling - the router would often head for the nearest long-distance ferry, since ferries are often quicker than cycling, eve

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/10/4 Richard Fairhurst > To clarify, I'm not looking to put > detailed timetable information in (that properly belongs in a GTFS feed or > somesuch, not OSM), just a broad-brush indication to help routing engines. > That's the beauty of it, my proposed tag can be detailed, but doesn't have

[Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
Hi, what about the headway tag? This tag is already in use for more than 750 public transport routes (bus, tram, subway). The headway time is given in minutes. This is used for multiple departures per hour and also for only one departure per day. For only one departure per day a headway of 1440

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > sabas88 wrote: > > Duration is also important and currently used by OSRM > > Indeed. I actually edited duration out of my OSRM route profile > because it > gave misleading results for cycling - the router would often head for > the > nearest long-distance ferry, since f

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Steve Doerr
On 04/10/2013 18:14, Tilo wrote: what about the headway tag? I've never heard the word 'headway' used in this way, but I see from the Oxford English Dictionary that this meaning ('The interval of time or [occas.] distance between two consecutive trains, buses, etc., on a given route') does

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread SomeoneElse
Tilo wrote: what about the headway tag? Perhaps a tag that's actually used by normal people (as opposed to the Gnomes who operate e.g. London Underground) would be better? Realistically, this is never going to turn up in the presets in the editors used by most mappers - better to pick somet

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency (headway tag)

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
I've seen this tag the first time in Orlando bus routes. A mapper tagged all bus routes there with this tag. If you think "headway" is difficult to understand, what tag would you like to prefer? Temporary I thought about "interval". "Frequency" would be a bad solution because this is the recipr

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread ael
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 06:36:33PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: > That said, I like the journeys=3/day, 5/hour. If we decide to go with it, I > can just replace my 3d and 5h with it. I think that would be sensible. I would never be able to remember what your notation meant without looking it up eac

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John F. Eldredge wrote: > That brings up an issue for routing in general, not > just cycle-routing. The routing algorithm needs > to take into account the day of the week, and what > time it will be when you reach a point with time- > dependent restrictions, or only intermittent > service (suc

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
ael wrote: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 06:36:33PM +0200, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > That said, I like the journeys=3/day, 5/hour. If we decide to go > with it, I > > can just replace my 3d and 5h with it. > > I think that would be sensible. I would never be able to remember what > your notation meant

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Richard Mann
Ah, do you mean the signalling headway, or the planning headway or the operating headway? :o) service_interval=nnn would probably be more en-gb On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:46 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > Tilo wrote: > >> what about the headway tag? >> >> > Perhaps a tag that's actually used by normal

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Dudley Ibbett
One thing that you may also need to consider is that the timetables and therefore number of journeys a day may depend on the month as there are often summer and winter timetables. Regards Dudley > Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 07:28:26 -0700 > From: rich...@systemed.net > To: Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
If I may insert myself into the conversation. I looked at the opening_hours syntax recently when learning about parking specifications. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours#Syntax Something like that could be used to specify different frequencies with time of year. ferry:sche

Re: [Tagging] Ferry frequency

2013-10-04 Thread Tilo
So it seems, that "interval" is the better term. Of course the service headway is meant. The tagging should be done with routes. Routes are operated on railway lines, streets or waterways. Only railway lines have signaling headways, not routes. Bus routes also don't have signaling headways. If

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=musical_instrument

2013-10-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, For shops selling musical instruments, there are currently two tags in use: shop=musical_instrument and shop=musical_instruments. The singular (1327) is used nearly 10 times as much as the plural (126). I suggest to confirm the current situation by formally accepting the tag that is most

Re: [Tagging] Pre-proposal: gambling

2013-10-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
> > There are currently various tags for gambling-related shops and amenities > in use, including amenity=casino, shop=bookmaker, shop=betting, > shop=lottery, and shop=gambling. See here for an overview of usage > statistics: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/gamb