Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - art gallery

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/6 Tom Chance : > This debate was settled in the discussion page. Martin and I have reanimated > the debate there, I suggest anyone who has views on this add them to the > wiki. As you can see from my voting comment, I have other objections as well: gallery has a lot of different meanings,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - art gallery

2010-11-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:22:50 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > As you can see from my voting comment, I have other objections as > well: gallery has a lot of different meanings, in architecture alone > there is 4 and more, in mining, etc. press gallery peanut gallery and a use in the theatre whe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - art gallery

2010-11-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 November 2010 19:46, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > and a use in the theatre where you get heckled from the gallery too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njUwJUg1I ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [Tagging] Tidying up arts venues

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/6 Tom Chance : > For now, in the absence of that key, we have to decide whether these > features sit in amenity or tourism. no, not at all. We don't "have" to decide on an inadequate tag just because there "is" not already a suitable on. I'd rather disencourage to do so. If you changed

Re: [Tagging] Tidying up arts venues

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/6 Tom Chance : > I like the idea of a "culture" key. Would you like to draft a proposal? done, see here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/culture cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lis

[Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I would like to invite you to take part in the discussion for a new key "culture". The first draft is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/culture the discussion should mainly take place on the mailing list IMHO, because I consider it more suitable for discussions. cheers,

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would helpfull. although there needs to be a clear difference from 'tourism' key. perhaps 'tourism' is reserved for things that are designed primarly for the benifit of visitors to the area, were 'culture' is more for locals 'cul

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Tom Chance
In general I like this proposal, but given that this changes a substantial number of very well used tags that go back to almost the beginning of the project it is essential to describe how existing data will be migrated across, tools updated, mappers notified, etc. The other job, similar to the sh

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi Martin, the idea sounds really good :) In my opinion it would be a good step to unite the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_guidelines Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Tom Chance wrote: > On 7 November 2010 13:04, Sam Vekemans > wrote: >> >> Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would >> helpfull. > > On this particular suggestion, I think community centers are definitely > amenities. All the culture=*

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.11.2010 14:04, schrieb Sam Vekemans: Hi, Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would helpfull. although there needs to be a clear difference from 'tourism' key. perhaps 'tourism' is reserved for things that are designed primarly for the benifit of visitors to the

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks, I'll have a look at the latest version of josm, and see your menu tree structure, before commenting further :) poke me if i dont :) cheers, sam On 11/7/10, Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 07.11.2010 14:04, schrieb Sam Vekemans: >> Hi, >> Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/7 Sam Vekemans : > Hi, > Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would > helpfull. > > > although there needs to be a clear difference from 'tourism' key. I think the current definition of tourism is not too bad: "Places and things of specific interest to tourists

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/7 Tom Chance : > In general I like this proposal, but given that this changes a substantial > number of very well used tags that go back to almost the beginning of the > project it is essential to describe how existing data will be migrated > across, tools updated, mappers notified, etc. so

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 7. November 2010 14:21 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > Hi Martin, > In my opinion it would be a good step to unite the > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Tagging_guidelines I don't understand this. How is it related to this proposal? The linked page looks at first glance like an attempt

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/7 Anthony : > All the culture=* tags describe amenities. It is true that they are at least partly a subgroup of amenity, which is by general judgement quite overcrowded at the moment. A subgroup that incorporates objects that share a certain aspect and can therefore be moved to this key

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/7 Ulf Lamping : > I came to the conclusion, that deciding if e.g. a museum better fits in > tourism or leisure is pointless - as it is both and the decision will > largely depend on your personal bias and the museum in question. yes, and both is not suitable to give a good description, as

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Tom Chance
On 7 November 2010 17:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/7 Tom Chance : > > In general I like this proposal, but given that this changes a > substantial > > number of very well used tags that go back to almost the beginning of the > > project it is essential to describe how existing data wil

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/7 Tom Chance : > On 7 November 2010 17:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> IMHO we could simply start using it. Tools will get amended >> "automatically", as soon as a substancial number of items is tagged >> with it. > > As somebody who makes substantial use of the data, I would really pr

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
someone tried to change the meaning of culture=arts_centre by amending the text to a meaning different of the one of amenity=arts_centre and added also a new tag culture=community_arts_centre (without specifying what this should be, but I guess it is our "good old" arts_centre). Please do not do t

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Tom Chance
On 7 November 2010 18:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > don't know. It seems that the british art world is not very active on > wikipedia then, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_gallery redirects to > art_museum ;-) > Ah, Wikipedia, that well known internationally agreed source of definitions for w

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:15 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/7 Anthony : > >> All the culture=* tags describe amenities. > > It is true that they are at least partly a subgroup of amenity, which > is by general judgement quite overcrowded at the moment. Overcrowded? Less than 0.

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:43:28 -0500 Anthony wrote: > > It is true that they are at least partly a subgroup of amenity, > > which is by general judgement quite overcrowded at the moment. > > Overcrowded? Less than 0.1% of possible > values are taken. How about containing

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:18:33 + Tom Chance wrote: > > don't know. It seems that the british art world is not very active > > on wikipedia then, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_gallery > > redirects to art_museum ;-) > > > > Ah, Wikipedia, that well known internationally agreed source of > d

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:43:28 -0500 > Anthony wrote: > >> > It is true that they are at least partly a subgroup of amenity, >> > which is by general judgement quite overcrowded at the moment. >> >> Overcrowded?  Less than 0.000

[Tagging] GeoNames to Garmin Custom Map to Geonames conversion

2010-11-07 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi Marcel & Geonames group, and others, I have now completed the analysis of the Geonames and Garmin Map Features conversion. I narrowed the list down to 1,024 features https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dDZJYUtjMVF4Mk1Yc3B6c0ktVlRiNEE&hl=en The 1st 5 columns, A-E are of use t

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
On Domingo 07 Noviembre 2010 13:04:31 Sam Vekemans escribió: > Hi, > Adding 'culture=community_center' and culture=community_centre' would Independeltly of if they are culture or not, should only one of these two be used. We do not need two tags for exactly the same thing, do we? Noel er Envite

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Noel David Torres Taño
I think we can simply say that "culture=museum" is for "every building or intitution that names itself as", and let it have other key, subordinated, like museum=art, museum=history, museum=technology, museum=anthropology, museum=natural_history, museum=science. Thse cover almost all possible mus

Re: [Tagging] I started a draft on a new "main" key culture

2010-11-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 7 Nov 2010 16:13:52 -0500 Anthony wrote: > Is is really obvious to everyone but me which of (archaeological_site, > art_gallery, artwork, bar, bookstore, cafe, cinema, dance, garden, > library, memorial, monument, museum, park, pub, sports_centre, > stadium, theatre, theme_park, and zoo)