Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-05-02 Thread Markus Peloso
expect in this facility. I want to start voting in a few days. Does anyone have any additions or comments? Best regards Markus (ToastHawaii) Von: Markus Peloso<mailto:mar@outlook.com> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Februar 2020 10:36 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailt

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-16 Thread Markus Peloso
king=yes from the description, like the public_bookcase, when someone makes a proposal. As I understand, "blessing boxes" are more about food like a free pantry. I agree I also think this is not a good name for this proposal. Markus Von: Philip Barnes<mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.u

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Markus Peloso
donation of goods" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/donation_of_goods - Some mappers tag blessing boxes with new amenity=give_box tag https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/RAA Best regards Markus (ToastHawaii) ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-03-01 Thread Markus Peloso
ill start voting in a few days. Best regards Markus Von: Martin Koppenhoefer<mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Februar 2020 12:00 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-03-01 Thread Markus Peloso
last / newest entry and coping the value from the oldid parameter in the url. Best regards, Markus Von: European Water Project<mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 12:15 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

2020-03-01 Thread Markus Peloso
Thanks for the idea. I love it. :D https://priceless.zottelig.ch/#offers=trip%2Fopenstreetmap https://priceless.zottelig.ch/#offers=trip%2Fopenstreetmap&location=50.556607%2C12.6785266 Von: Rory McCann Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Februar 2020 12:00 An: tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-29 Thread Markus Peloso
food and it is some kind of social service. Markus Von: Jmapb<mailto:jm...@gmx.com> Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Februar 2020 06:34 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators On 2/26/2020 4:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-28 Thread Markus
://www.parlament.ch/de/über-das-parlament/archiv/wahlen-im-rueckblick/bundesratswahlen/2019-12-11 Please excuse the confusion. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-02-28 Thread Markus Peloso
added to the POIs without being on the list. Best regards, Markus Von: Hauke Stieler<mailto:m...@hauke-stieler.de> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Februar 2020 19:41 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food

Re: [Tagging] Clarify explicit abstention when voting on a proposal

2020-02-27 Thread Markus
no votes > and ratio of yes to no votes. +1 for option 1 Markus aka SelfishSeahorse ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-02-26 Thread Markus Peloso
Thanks, Markus, for your feedback. I agree with you, network fit better then brand. I remove charity I think it is not usefull because it do not fit. The little free pantry is more about food for people in need. My intention was to document this with charity=yes. Best regards Markus aka

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-02-26 Thread Markus
Thanks, Markus, for writing this proposal. I like the proposed tag. Just two minor things regarding tags that can be used in combination: - brand=* Optional. Name of the brand or network of the facility if there is one visible. eg. I would change this to network=* as it seems to fit better

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-02-26 Thread Markus Peloso
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Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-25 Thread Markus Peloso
Hello Markus Thank you for starting this discussion. I have plans to start a feature propose for food sharing. I found four tags that people use for food sharing social_facility=food_sharing, amenity=food_sharing, social_facility=community_fridge and recycling:food=yes. https

Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-25 Thread Markus
posed tags, we would need yet another one for non-cooled > food, so this is a bad idea in my opinion. > > So, I suggest: > amenity = give_box > food = only > refrigerated = yes Not perfect, but way better than amenity=recycling or amenity=

Re: [Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-25 Thread Markus
reusing facilities together in amenity=reuse or similar, but with already 5,538 uses of amenity=public_bookcase it's probably too late. Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Public refrigerators

2020-02-25 Thread Markus
munity_fridge. What do you think? Thanks in advance for your feedback. Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Markus Peloso
ecycling tag is over used and I don't want to give it more meaning. Best regards, Markus Von: Markus Peloso<mailto:mar@outlook.com> Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Februar 2020 09:27 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Markus Peloso
that describes what I’m looking for I will search for “donation”. 3.) I add a section with tagging examples. Best regards, Markus Von: Hauke Stieler<mailto:m...@hauke-stieler.de> Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Februar 2020 18:45 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.or

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-15 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/in-kind_donation For a place that takes in-kind donations. Hi I describe a tag for shop and amenity that takes in-kind donations. I'm interested in your opinions. Best regards, Markus ___ Ta

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting closed - give box

2020-02-09 Thread Markus Peloso
ed. Talk:Proposal_process#Clarify_whatever_explicit_abstaining_is_the_same_as_no_vote<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposal_process#Clarify_whatever_explicit_abstaining_is_the_same_as_no_vote> Best regards, Markus ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Markus Peloso
uot; if you want another name. Please give a clear statement. I will only count "yes" and "no" as part of the total. It is also helpful if you vote "yes" and give a clear comment about the name. Currently my second choice would be "free box". Best reg

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an utilitarian fountain?

2020-02-05 Thread Markus
_fountain * amenity=fountain * man_made=water_well * man_made=water_tap * natural=spring Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread Markus Peloso
status to approved :D. Best regards, Markus Von: Markus Peloso<mailto:mar@outlook.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2020 09:42 An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Feature Proposal - Voting - give box https://wiki.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-23 Thread Markus Peloso
Thanks for that. Now it's clear for me. +1 from me for drinking_water:refill_scheme I found three national programs (with maps) that I think are related to this tag. - https://refill.org.uk/refill-schemes/ - https://refill-deutschland.de/ - http://www.fillitup.ch/karte.html Von: European Water

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-01-21 Thread Markus Peloso
, Markus Von: Markus Peloso<mailto:mar@outlook.com> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2020 21:26 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A sm

Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”

2020-01-18 Thread Markus Peloso
Hello Jyri-Petteri Paloposki Maybe amenity=coworking_space combined with operator:type=private_non_profit fits for a place like that? Best regards, Markus Von: Jyri-Petteri Paloposki<mailto:jyri-petteri.palopo...@iki.fi> Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Januar 2020 00:13 An: tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-16 Thread Markus Peloso
Hello Stuart Can you describe the difference between free_water and drinking_water better? Based on the wiki drinking_water means free potable water. Best regards, Markus Von: European Water Project<mailto:europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Januar 2020 22:09 An: t

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-14 Thread Markus
n, My point was that the different uses of disused: and disused=yes may not be as problematical ("tagging for the renderer") as they seem, but that there seem to be valid reasons for it. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] How to revive a tag proposal?

2020-01-14 Thread Markus
%3Doil_mill Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-14 Thread Markus
on businesses because it feels wrong; either i remove them or i prefix them with was: . For example, building=commercial + disused=yes on the area and was:shop=supermarket + name=* on a node within. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-14 Thread Markus
be how the building looks, not how it is used. For example, a church that is now used as a pub still remains a building=church. Therefore, for a disused building, i'd leave the building=* tag and add disused=yes. (The alternative tagging using lifecycle prefixes, disused:building=*, isn't re

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-13 Thread Markus
a solution for parkings for multiple vehicle classes, i would recommend to tag it as follows: amenity=parking access=no bus=customers hgv=customers Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Special traffic signs - still highway=traffic_signals?

2020-01-13 Thread Markus
es to red to allow or facilitate passage for the bus or tram https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_signals I'm going to adjust the documentation for the normal state of these special case of traffic signals, as they may be off or blinking yellow. Regards Markus __

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-09 Thread Markus Peloso
suggestions on how this boxtypes could be handled with existing tags (the goods tag is already taken). I want this tag to be more specific then the reuse tag. I do not want to cover all existing variations with it. IMO someone like food boxes for example deserve their own tag. Von: Markus Peloso

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-07 Thread Markus Peloso
ifficult. As abstraction for OSM, I think we can use the same tag. free_box would be my second choice. I would like to solve it democratically. In two weeks I would like to vote on give_box. If you prefer free_box then vote against it and write it in the comment of the vote. Then I change it

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Markus Peloso
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the sense of free sharing. Hi Based on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse and the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Markus
e: "Note that OSM follows the On the Ground Rule. Names recorded in name=* tag are ones that are locally used, especially ones typically signposted." [1] For places where it's impossible to identify a local name, the name tag should not have been filled out

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-06 Thread Markus
the building=* way (also because of inheritance to objects within), if entrances have their own numbers, tag it on the entrance=* node. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Markus
? designated seems to be orthogonal to yes/no/private/customers/visitors.... Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-05 Thread Markus
rcar=*) on over 3 million amenity=parking would be accepted. As for the areas within a parking facility, we could use something similar to building:part: for example amenity=parking_facility:part if the parking facility is tagged amenity=parking_f

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-02 Thread Markus
s or bicycle frames). What about recycling:small_metal_items? By the way, am i right that recycling:cans is for both tin and aluminium cans (and thus implies recycling:aluminium)? Or is it only for tin cans? Wishing everyone a happy new year! Best regards Markus _

Re: [Tagging] footway=crossing in detailed tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Markus
oth examples, the cycleway is physically separated from the footway by a row of trees except at the crossing. Therefore mapping them as separate ways makes sense. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] footway=crossing in detailed tagging

2019-12-15 Thread Markus
eway. The way from the right lateral end of the cycleway to the centre of the sidewalk could be mapped as footway=link or, for simplicity, you could extend the footway=crossing to that point. (Tell me if this was unclear and you need a diagram.) Regards Markus

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-15 Thread Markus
gnized > in the US. If you wrote Tcyb, I doubt most people would even recognize it. If > written out, The Countries Best Yogurt, people probably would recognize it > either. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2304474733 for an example. TCBY is an

Re: [Tagging] footway=crossing in detailed tagging

2019-12-15 Thread Markus
can be found here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-November/thread.html#49311 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-December/thread.html#49527 Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Markus
for acronyms. I think this makes sense because it doesn't give these names more importance than other names in title case. By the way, newspapers do the same. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.opens

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-08 Thread Markus
side road area specifically (e.g. as footway=connection), but not the part of the track inside the road area? Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-12-08 Thread Markus
there's no appropriate crossing tag for it: is it > crossing=uncontrolled/marked, crossing=unmarked, or unset? All of them are > inaccurate in some way or another, or ambiguous. I agree that the part from the centre of the sidewalk to the kerb is a part of the sidewalk, but ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (changing_table:location)

2019-12-05 Thread Markus
enstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2018-December/041650.html [2]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/041884.html [3]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Taggin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting result - Pedestrian lane

2019-12-05 Thread Markus
pedestrians have priority over cyclists?), i think a separate tag like foot_cycle_lane=left/right/both would make most sense. Another possibility were pedestrian_lane:bicycle=designated, but this would imply that a shared foot and cycle–lane is a subtype of a pedestrian lane. I&#

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting result - Pedestrian lane

2019-12-04 Thread Markus
On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 13:06, Marc Gemis wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:36 PM Markus wrote: > > > > In my opinion, footway[:left/right]=lane isn't a good idea for the > > following reasons: 1. footway=lane is a contradiction, as a lane (part > > of a road/p

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting result - Pedestrian lane

2019-12-03 Thread Markus
ant. Many thanks to the (unfortunately rather few) people who took part in the vote. Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Foot or foot.cycle crossing

2019-11-27 Thread Markus
bra crossing ... not the best example of accessible and safe pedestrian infrastructure ...) Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Foot or foot.cycle crossing

2019-11-27 Thread Markus
need a crossing node for the cycle lane as it is part of the carriageway of Via Egidio Forcellini. This is different form the sidewalk that is interrupted by the unnamed one-way road. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-26 Thread Markus
7;t really exist. It is only used to connect the roads or paths to make routing possible. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-25 Thread Markus
ng them on the street way. [2]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/536404830 [3]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=46.93737%2C7.44928%3B46.93757%2C7.44893 Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-24 Thread Markus
an also be used by vehicles in order to make way for oncoming traffic. [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/47.04825/8.30513 [2]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/682152784 Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-24 Thread Markus
footways. [...] Could you please give me some examples for these two points? [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/893450790 [2]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/506223281 [3]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/518400616 Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-20 Thread Markus
On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 13:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > the issue with steps being represented too long is not related to the > proposal of adding a specific subtag. I generally map highway=steps only for > the (approximated) actual projection of the steps (first to last riser of > each st

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-20 Thread Markus
penstreetmap.org/way/416303537 Thanks you all for your feedback so far! Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-20 Thread Markus
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 23:05, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Markus > > Will this fix the "error" of "Footpaths are disconnected from other roads"? It may, but this really depends on the situation. Could you give me examples?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-20 Thread Markus
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 23:40, Allroads wrote: > > All waylines inside a area:highway=footway footway=sidewalk is a > highway=footway footway=sidewalk > When there is a connection to the road, inside the area:highway=footway, > footwalk=sidewalk is till the barrier=kerb. I'm unsure if this is a go

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-20 Thread Markus
On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 04:24, Clifford Snow wrote: > > First off I like this proposal and agree that it be applied more broadly. > However there is a difference between a motorway=link (and similar) and a > footway=link. A motorway=link is a physical feature unlike a footway=link. A > footway=l

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=link

2019-11-18 Thread Markus
otway=link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:footway%3Dlink Definition: to link steps or a sidewalk with a road Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-18 Thread Markus
d_features/Pedestrian_lane Definition: a marked lane on the roadway, designated for pedestrians Thank you in advance for taking part in the vote. Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-18 Thread Markus
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 02:48, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > I use “unmarked crossing” for all connections of sidewalks where they > dead-end and have to be connected into the road. If there's a second sidewalk or a pedestrian lane on the opposite side of the road, this may make sense. But i

Re: [Tagging] shop selling trucks

2019-11-17 Thread Markus
cles? It seems we don't have one, but it may make sense to use shop=utility_vehicle or something similar. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-17 Thread Markus
nk it's less useful to do so for footpaths or any path or road that connects with another. But i probably wouldn't prevent people from doing so. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-16 Thread Markus
s and to indicate that these aren't steps or a sidewalk anymore, but part of the carriageway of the road. Other mappers seem to use this scheme too (already 743 uses and only every 7th is from me). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:footway%3Dlink Best regards and a nice weekend to all of you Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-12 Thread Markus
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 14:15, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 00:23, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> from the description, light meals aren’t a hard requirement, or it could be >> seen as satisfied by selling cakes (or ice cream cups in the case of cuisine >> =ice_cream): > > I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-11 Thread Markus
s > > A potentially helpful resource during these international comparisons: > https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/small_towns/page05.cfm. > The FHWA defines standards in the United States. Thanks. The content of this page seems to be identical to t

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-11 Thread Markus
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 11:55, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Is there some consistent difference how > this two tags are actually used? Unfortunately i can't answer your question (too little amenity=ice_cream and no shop=ice_cream around where i live), but i just discovered that 349, that's 15.2%,

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Markus
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 18:21, Paul Allen wrote: > >> However, shop=ice_cream says to take home, not to take away. > > > Then the wiki is unclear and misleading. And it looks like somebody has > taken an > alread-misleading page, decided it was a synonym of amenity=ice_cream and then > made it ev

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Markus
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:56, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > nitpick: tag is without underscore > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:takeaway Sorry and thanks for correcting me! Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Markus
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 17:00, Paul Allen wrote: > > Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just eat on > premises or take home. > There's also take away. As in an ice cream van on a fixed pitch. Rather > common at the > seaside. Or a kiosk selling only, or mainly,. ice

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Markus
Otherwise, it seems to make sense to deprecate shop=ice_cream in favour of the more used amenity=ice_cream. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-05 Thread Markus
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 18:25, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > This a well-known (small) problem that from time to time turns up in OSM > discussions. And then the discussion fizzles out again. Which is also a well-known problem ... I guess that bicycle=no almost always means that *driving* a bicycle i

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-05 Thread Markus
rested to see a law discriminating particularly against > pushing bicycles. https://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2016/10/25/venice-bans-pushing-bikes_e4ad7248-970e-49a8-b9a1-73efe5716101.html And there are some elevators at the train station in Bern where it's not allowed to take bi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-03 Thread Markus
On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 20:37, Clifford Snow wrote: > > I like your proposal but think it needs to clarify the difference between a > pedestrian lane and a shoulder [1]. In the US, most (many?) states allow > pedestrians to walk on shoulders if there is no sidewalk/footway, with the > exception o

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-02 Thread Markus
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 22:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > currently your proposal is a description of the physical appearance of the > feature, but for highways what is needed are usually functional and legal > definitions. A cycleway is a way designated for bicycles, a motorway excludes > sl

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Pedestrian lane

2019-11-01 Thread Markus
Hi everyone, Following the recent discussion about pedestrian lanes (marked lanes on a roadway, designated for pedestrians), i've now written a proposal page for a new key pedestrian_lane=*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Pedestrian_lane Best regards M

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-22 Thread Markus
cycles [3]: https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/i-yuqBv2liMpsG4mWNyiew Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-21 Thread Markus
On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 18:14, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > In general, I don't think the definition of OSM keys should > automatically duplicate all nuances of the English dictionary, > especially ones that many non-native speakers will be unaware of. It isn't a nuance of one English dictionary. I've

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Markus
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 19:52, Jan Michel wrote: > > I also prefer this kind of tagging. I don't see a reason to invent a > fully new tag for this - it is an area meant just for pedestrians just > like a sidewalk. [...] I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Switzerland vehicles are allowed to d

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Markus
dewalk=lane. Why not inventing something different for a different feature? :) [1]: As well as some less useful values like "this" (156 uses!?), "bad", "both;right", "right;none", "10" or "forest". :D Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Markus
ause of the kerb, while a pedestrian lane doesn't. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-20 Thread Markus
ngine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=36.40695%2C139.33347%3B36.40655%2C139.33423 Cheers Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-19 Thread Markus
road markings cycleway=lane. So it only seems logical to also make the same distinction for sidewalks and pedestrian lanes. Thank you in advance for your replies. Best regards and have a nice Sunday, Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-14 Thread Markus
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 17:51, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > OK. Any more comments or we better go for a vote? It's a detail, but i think that leisure=sunbathing_area (or leisure=sunbathing_place) were a more descriptive tag than leisure=sunbathing. Besides, most leisure=* values are nouns. Reg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Utility markers

2019-10-13 Thread Markus
was a visual edit that added the tags to the {{vote}} template, thus disabling the template. I've fixed it by removing the tags. Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Markus
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019, 22:00 Peter Elderson, wrote: > But where pedestrian crossing is not allowed at all, as in the case I > described, two ways tagging does not give this routing problem. > No, but it's again not the only solution: the information that crossing the road isn't permitted can also

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Markus
pointed out, there are many places without pedestrian crossings. Therefore pedestrian routing wouldn't work where a road with painted lane separation is mapped with two ways. I wish you all a nice weekend Markus > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-10 Thread Markus
, if the road in your example is mapped with two separate ways, a routing engine would make pedestrians do a detour (possibly a long detour), even though they could just cross the street. [1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/change Regards Markus ___

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-10 Thread Markus
gs. To your second question: i think that local mapping deviations make our map less usable. I would prefer if people who think that a rule doesn't make sense don't simply ignore it, but discuss it on this global mailing list. Regards Markus ___

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Markus
On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 18:37, Markus wrote: > > The problem here is that pedestrians are routed along the highway=* > way and, as you wrote, tram tracks are usually (unfortunately) mapped > as separate ways. Consequently, the railway=crossing node is > disconnected from the highway

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-09 Thread Markus
isconnected from the highway=* way with the highway=crossing node (that is, on another way). Therefore a router doesn't know that trams also pass this pedestrian crossing (except if pavements and pedestrian crossings are mapped as separate ways, which, ho

Re: [Tagging] Pedestrian and highway crossings of tramways

2019-10-08 Thread Markus
PM8yTP96TfXpY9g Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread Markus
r: tags together form a complete address (a single addr: tag only gives part of an address), while a single contact: tag already is a complete contact information. Thus i think the addr: prefix makes more sense that the contact: prefix. Regards Markus > __

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-10-04 Thread Markus
On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 20:43, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > On 04.10.2019 19:10, Markus wrote: > > While orchard=meadow_orchard is the most used way of tagging a meadow > > orchard (2 748 uses), there > > are also 668 uses of the other subtag meadow=meadow_orchard. That mean

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