Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 18:32, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Why are "stopping=yes|no" and "parking=yes|no" (and variants of these) not > > in use in OSM? > > But the much more complex "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" and > > "parking:lane:bot

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 11/02/2020 1:40 am, Marc Gemis wrote: Curious to understand why this is a cycleway and not an asphalted path. When I look at it what I'm hearing is whoosh: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/20333 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@o

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 13:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Why are "stopping=yes|no" and "parking=yes|no" (and variants of these) not in > use in OSM? > But the much more complex "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" and > "parking:lane:both=no_parking" are in use with the same meaning. Because parking:la

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 11/2/20 7:09 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: It cannot distinguish from this tagging between    there is a lane along the road, but I am not allowed to park/stop on it (i.e. it's an emergency lane) Do you mean a lane that is reserved for emergency vehicles or a lane that can be used by vehi

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 10 feb 2020, alle ore 21:57, Volker Schmidt ha > scritto: > > This is a pity as the no-parking and in particular the no-stopping > information is important to understand the traffic flow in a street. yes, 60% of all parking_lane:both values are either no_parki

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Robert Skedgell
I am starting to tag parking:lane:*=* on a cycle route in London for which I have just uploaded Mapillary images. The potential risk of "dooring" and the hope that routing engines may in future be able to make use of this information. -- Robert Skedgell (rskedgell) On 10/02/2020 20:56, Volker Sc

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
This is a pity as the no-parking and in particular the no-stopping information is important to understand the traffic flow in a street. I have come across this problem as I am working on instructions how to tag streets form a cyclist point of view. One of the things is to understand if there are ca

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 10 feb 2020, alle ore 20:43, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > ha scritto: > > Note also that "stopping=yes|no" is unclear and > "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" is > clear. yes, clear madness ;-) Why would we describe a place beneath or on the road where you ca

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
(I am looking at these tags for the first time, so please forgive me if I am asking newbie questions) Apart form being somewhat contradictory to have a parking lane on which you cannot park, this tagging scheme seems to have a basic flaw: It cannot distinguish from this tagging between ther

Re: [Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Have you considered how other, more complex, situations would be tagged? Would it be possible to tag this in consistent way? Note also that "stopping=yes|no" is unclear and "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" is clear. (note I have not checked whatever this tags are used as you say) Feb 10, 2020, 1

[Tagging] [Tagging} no stopping, no parking

2020-02-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
Why are "stopping=yes|no" and "parking=yes|no" (and variants of these) not in use in OSM? But the much more complex "parking:lane:both=no_stopping" and "parking:lane:both=no_parking" are in use with the same meaning. Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:41 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:36 AM Florimond Berthoux < > florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Le lun. 10 févr. 2020 à 09:49, AndreasTUHU a > écrit : > >>> > >>> I agree that '

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:36 AM Florimond Berthoux > wrote: >> >> Le lun. 10 févr. 2020 à 09:49, AndreasTUHU a écrit : >>> >>> I agree that 'surface' tag should be mandatory but in Hungary 54 percent of >>> the mixed foot-cycle-ways misse

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 3:36 AM Florimond Berthoux < florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Le lun. 10 févr. 2020 à 09:49, AndreasTUHU a écrit : > >> I agree that 'surface' tag should be mandatory but in Hungary 54 percent >> of the mixed foot-cycle-ways misses this tag. >> Additionally, the 20 p

Re: [Tagging] Tagging small areas of bushes, flowers, non-woody perennials, succulents, etc

2020-02-10 Thread Allroads
+1 landcover +1 on a hierarchy index and a well and a thoughtful methodology. landuse, should describe more the use of the land. For example: A road, this include the footway, cycleway, the verge, the barriers, traffic_islands, the trees. The verge, that is a part of the use, landuse=highway, t

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread Florimond Berthoux
Hi, « Implied tag is the root of all evil » as a wise man once said. I begin to think that implied tag is bad, let the data consumer do that. As long as the data is not set I consider the data imprecise. For instance in France I will assume by default that every road is paved, but it doesn’t mean

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2020-02-10 Thread Volker Schmidt
Andras, as far as I can see this field is a bit of a mess, and the data consumers will have to live with that. I did not want to imply that "my" approach is better or worse. In my view there is no way to "convert" existing tagging. Volker On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 at 09:49, AndreasTUHU wrote: > I agr

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?&In-Reply-To=<88cad950-d9cc-3c2e-9015-a54d7206a...@gmx.com>

2020-02-10 Thread AndreasTUHU
I agree that 'surface' tag should be mandatory but in Hungary 54 percent of the mixed foot-cycle-ways misses this tag. Additionally, the 20 percent of foot-cycle-ways has no 'segregated' tag. Not ideal conditions for converting mixed cycleways to path :) So in Hungary we will contiune to use the "c