Re: [Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Thanks for working on this, Bob, Check out the page "Proposal_process" and in particular Proposal_process#Creating_a_proposal_page to help improve the formatting and make sure you've included important information. Please clarify exactly what should be mapped with this new tag. Is going to be add

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
Am 12.09.2019 um 23:24 schrieb Peter Elderson: In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
In NL node networks all node2node routes are route relations. Then all the relations and the nodes are added to the network relation, where the network:type (i.e. the setup/system/rules), the network name, operator, website etc are tagged. Currently, the network relation for node networks is used

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Hubert87 via Tagging
To summarize: - (highway) Use lcn=yes on the highway; (my Idea) maybe with some more Information about the network like lcn:operator=*, lcn:ref=* or similar. - (route-relation) split up the network into smaller relations going from guidepost to guidepost. Seems very complicated, also to query/get

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-12 Thread Jeremiah Rose
I've updated this RFC with some of the comments received over the last week. footway=indoor: indoor pedestrian route https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/footway%3Dindoor Thanks, Jeremiah Rose ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstree

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
12 Sep 2019, 11:43 by jan...@gmail.com: > One problem > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 06:53 Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com > > > wrote: > >> >> I still see no benefit in using part:wikipedia >> or part:wikidata over current version. >> > > One problem with

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Le 12.09.19 à 13:52, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > A supermarket chain can introduce paper bags today, discontinue them > next week, and re-introduce plastic bags next month. in theory yes. in practice logistics chains probably change less quickly than the urbanization of agricultural land. if we thi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I am generally skeptical of us becoming more and more a business directory. I think that objects in the real world have some real-world, observable properties, like a house that has a certain form and height, or a sign that has been put up, or a bench, and while these properties can change, i

[Tagging] Proposed features / landuse=open_defecation

2019-09-12 Thread Bob Kerr via Tagging
I have created a proposal page for landuse=open defecation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dopen_defecation Please review it, my wiki page editing skills have suffered from lack of use so it could do with a little tidy if anyone wants to. Please discuss your thou

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
well in this case, this shop isn't a bulk_purchase=yes shop bulk_purchase=* in osm mean that you can BUY item in bulk not that the shop has a stock of product that he packs for you on site. bulk_purchase informs how the customer can have the product and not in what form the stock in the shop is ke

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
And sorry Marc but I don't have an article explaining the use of one-use only bag proposed by bulk purchase shops. In my case, I buy only bulk purchase products and it often happen in supermarket for example that you can only use the supermarket's paper bags with a plastic window on the bag to

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

2019-09-12 Thread Bob Kerr via Tagging
Hi, Mapping areas for Open Defecation may be a little tricky in the web editor but no problem in JOSM. In many slums Open Defecation Areas(ODA) can be a lot bigger than the size of a house. Individual nodes would be used in places like between houses or dead ends. Some areas are so big they hav

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
Hello, It's not the same as the key bulk_purchase. As explained: " OpenStreetMap allows to identify bulk purchase shops and it exists some applications like https://cartovrac.fr for people who just want a render of these data.

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I think it makes sense to map preference routes as route relations, same as node2node routes within node networks. I am not a fan of network relations if they are just collections of elements, but if the information about how they are organised and used is also present and verifiable by survey (whi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 12.09.19 à 12:20, Antoine Jaury via Tagging a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_packaging > Definition: Describes a shop accepting reusable containers from their > customers and/or proposing some it'sn't the same as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Antoine Jaury via Tagging
Hi, I would like to propose the following feature for comments: Link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_packaging Definition: Describes a shop accepting reusable containers from their customers and/or proposing some Thank you all for your kindly comments and ha

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
I see similarities of this approach with the hiking paths of the alpine clubs, but with the important difference that the routes do not have a reference. And it's very similar to a node network, except that the nodes are not numbered. It's a 1:1 copy of the road network signposting (and please allo

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 11:18, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > I don't think this is good mapping. agreed, I didn’t imply it was good mapping, what I said was that it can be mapped without question, because it is there, visible a verifiable. No need for a relation at all, and I agr

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't think this is good mapping. Firstly, this is not a route. A route is something that gets you from one place to another. This is a network of routes, and there is a tag for it, type=network[1] But this type of a relation breaks the "Relations are not Categories" rule [2]. That's why I think

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 02:44, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > The Key:bus has this definition currently > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bus): > > "A bus is a large motor vehicle used for public transport of passengers that’s a brand new page you have created b

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 10:49, Peter Elderson wrote: > > If there is agreement that this actually is something worth mapping, I don't > see a problem there. this is how wikipedia works, in OpenStreetMap you do not need approval of others that something is “worth” mapping,

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Sep 2019, at 00:03, Paul Allen wrote: > > I'll just > go and look at wikidata for stolperstein... It's not identified as a > category, but it clearly is one. It's > a sub-class of commemorative plaque. It makes no more sense to apply > Q26703203 to every > stolp

Re: [Tagging] mesh bicycle network

2019-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I would say it is a system of preferential cycleroutes to different destinations. It resembles the system of preferential truck routes in Amsterdam. It is a system, and it's visible on the ground. The arrow signs create a route to the next signpost in the chosen direction. If there is agreement th

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 23:24, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > Art or memorial installations like Stolperstein[1], which are distributed, > but have one wikidata item. It's hard to imagine every Stolperstein will get > its own article. And a relation with all these nodes makes no se

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
One problem On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 06:53 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I still see no benefit in using part:wikipedia > or part:wikidata over current version. > One problem with the current system is that if you click one of those dwarfs in OSM, and see it's linked to an object in wikidata, you h

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 20:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > Where wikipedia articles in a language do not match the wikidata then the > article or the wikidata > is incorrect. the problem is not black and white, things can match in wikipedia, partially. And several wikipedia arti

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Sep 2019, at 20:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > The > question I'd consider important is have you mapped those two things as > distinct OSM objects? with the current state I am not sure what wikidata is describing here, or if these are maybe duplicates. At some point i