Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> there are always exceptions. not far from me, there's a traditional >> hydrant of the type normally used with pressurized systems, but >> it's sourced from a pond. the reason is that the pond is elevated, some >> distance fro

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 18-Aug-17 01:38 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 8/17/17 10:25 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: That's not really what's being discussed here. A non-pressurized hydrant wouldn't be attached to a tank at all. It would require a fire engine to suck the water out. It does not look like a traditional fi

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 17-Aug-17 07:17 PM, Viking wrote: My point is suction points and fire hydrant are different but compatible things, as follow : emergency=suction_point is a prefered place where to pump water in a river emergency=fire_hydrant is a kind of device which may or not be present in places like suct

Re: [Tagging] Simplify building:part areas

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Javier Sánchez Portero < javiers...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am thinking in ways to reduce the complexity that introduces the mapping > of parts of buildings. For example: > > * If one part is inscribed within a larger one, can I use simple ways > overlapped and lea

[Tagging] Simplify building:part areas

Hello. I am thinking in ways to reduce the complexity that introduces the mapping of parts of buildings. For example: * If one part is inscribed within a larger one, can I use simple ways overlapped and leave to the render decide how to draw them or should I create a multipolygon for the larger p

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi Viking, 2017-08-17 16:47 GMT+02:00 Viking : > Francois, I understand the issue that in some countries the normal mapper > can't distinguish a dry hydrant from a pressurized hydrant and he would tag > a dry hydrant simply with emergency=fire_hydrant. But he will not use the > correct tag in any

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi Moritz, 2017-08-17 14:50 GMT+02:00 Moritz : > > Ok, my understanding is you want to have only to categories: > > * Pressurized water sources (fire hydrants) > * "dry" hydrants where a pump has to be brought to get water ("dry" > hydrants or suction points or whatever tag it will be) > Not onl

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On August 17, 2017 11:38:10 AM EDT, Richard Welty wrote: >On 8/17/17 10:25 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: >> >> That's not really what's being discussed here. A non-pressurized >> hydrant wouldn't be attached to a tank at all. It would require a >fire >> engine to suck the water out. It does not

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 8/17/17 10:25 AM, Eric Christensen wrote: > > That's not really what's being discussed here. A non-pressurized > hydrant wouldn't be attached to a tank at all. It would require a fire > engine to suck the water out. It does not look like a traditional fire > hydrant at all. there are always e

Re: [Tagging] ferry relations

-- Original Message -- From: "wille" To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Sent: 17/08/2017 16:06:39 Subject: [Tagging] ferry relations Hello! The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry says that "No relation should be used even if the key route

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 08/17/2017 10:47 AM, Viking wrote: > In the case of commercial/industrial local water networks fed by pumps, we > all agree to use emergency=fire_hydrant. Because externally (at least here in > Italy) they are not distinguishable from hydrants fed by public mains and > they have the same usag

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 8/17/17 10:30 AM, Moritz wrote: > > I would rely on the Collins English Dictionary in this point rather > then on wikipedia [1] > >> (General Engineering) an outlet from a water main, usually consisting >> of an upright pipe with a valve attached, from which water can be >> tapped for fighting f

[Tagging] ferry relations

Hello! The wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dferry says that " *No relation should be used even if the key route =* suggests this.".* However more or less 10% of the route=ferry objects are relations, the routers and renderers

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi all. I'm a firefighter too. Nice to meet you. In the case of commercial/industrial local water networks fed by pumps, we all agree to use emergency=fire_hydrant. Because externally (at least here in Italy) they are not distinguishable from hydrants fed by public mains and they have the same

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi Mark, the hydrant (by the meaning of the word) is something connected to the water main ;) If I read the previous wikipedia link, there are pressurized hydrant and not-pressurized hydrant. If wikipedia use the word hydrant for both, maybe the "by the meaning of the world" is that. I wou

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 08/17/2017 10:12 AM, marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 17. 08. 17 à 14:50, Moritz a écrit : >> the hydrant (by the meaning of the word) is something connected >> to the water main ;) > If I read the previous wikipedia link, there are pressurized hydrant and > not-pressurized hydrant. > If wikip

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

On 08/17/2017 08:50 AM, Moritz wrote: > But "dry" hydrants are always connected to other water sources like > ponds, wells, water_tanks. > They are not isolated things on the field. So you have the "dry" hydrant > which is next to a pond/lake/etc. and > connected to it. A dry hydrant is just a con

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hello, Le 17. 08. 17 à 14:50, Moritz a écrit : > the hydrant (by the meaning of the word) is something connected > to the water main ;) If I read the previous wikipedia link, there are pressurized hydrant and not-pressurized hydrant. If wikipedia use the word hydrant for both, maybe the "by the m

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi all and thank you for those interesting developments My point is all about semantics and ease the mappers' work Like everyone, I agree to distinguish pressurized fire hydrants, and "dry" hydrants like ones where a pump is required to get water. But not in favor of an additional value of

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi all and thank you for those interesting developments My point is all about semantics and ease the mappers' work Like everyone, I agree to distinguish pressurized fire hydrants, and "dry" hydrants like ones where a pump is required to get water. But not in favor of an additional value of emergen

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Suction point is probably not the right word in English. I haven't found any specific idiomatic usage of this phrase, so it seems to just mean "point where suction is present/applied". I think it suction_point is just a word by word translation of German word for it (point where to suck wat

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Suction point is probably not the right word in English. I haven't found any specific idiomatic usage of this phrase, so it seems to just mean "point where suction is present/applied". Dry Hydrant seems a better fit for what you are discussing, do you agree? http://www.nfpa.org/assets/gallery/fir

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

Hi François, hi Alberto, we had in the past days a discussion on the german OSM forum[3] and agreed on the point that a point where you can suck water from a water source is a emergency=suction_point. Our understanding of a fire hydrant is, that it is connected to a water main and thus any su

Re: [Tagging] Fire hydrants vs suction_point

>My point is suction points and fire hydrant are different but compatible >things, as follow : >emergency=suction_point is a prefered place where to pump water in a river >emergency=fire_hydrant >is a kind of device which may or not be present in places like suction points >but in a large amount