Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Heiko Eckenreiter writes: > Today in OSM it's documented, only the ways signposted with a traffic > sign should be tagged with *=designated (as described on the cited page > access=designated and much more). > Now you'd like to apply the tag *=designated also to ways which are > constructional i

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Volker Schmidt writes: > Hmmm. > There is a problem. > We (cyclists) would like to be able to distinguish between ways that can be > used legally by bicycle, and > 1) that do not have any traffic sign saying this > and > 2) those where there is some kind of traffic sign saying explicitly that >

Re: [Tagging] Private vs. designated (was Re: access=designated wiki)

2015-07-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Marc Gemis writes: >> access=private is defined as "Only with permission of the owner on an >> individual basis" >> access=designated is defined as "A preferred or designated route for a >> specific vehicle type or types," >> >> So "private" means individual permission, designated means permissi

[Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-24 Thread Ruben Maes
Op vrijdag 24 juli 2015 heeft Andre Engels het volgende geschreven: > "xxx=designated" means that a road has been specifically designated > for vehicle type xxx. "access=designated" would mean that it was > _specifically_ designated for _everything_. A contradictio in > terminis. This is also how

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-24 Thread Andre Engels
From the wiki page [[Tag:access=designated]]: "NOTE! The exact key/value combination access=designated should never appear on an object." "xxx=designated" means that a road has been specifically designated for vehicle type xxx. "access=designated" would mean that it was _specifically_ designated

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Heiko Eckenreiter
Am 24.07.2015 um 17:24 schrieb Hubert: > But only the way with the traffic sign will be tagged with > bicycle=designated, foot=designated using the definition in the > description box > > That is not logical, because both ways are still equally designated to > pedestrians and cyclist in both situat

[Tagging] Private vs. designated (was Re: access=designated wiki)

2015-07-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Disagree. But 'splitting hairs' to do it. > > access=private is defined as "Only with permission of the owner on an > individual basis" > access=designated is defined as "A preferred or designated route for a > specific vehicl

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Hubert
Ø access=designated is not what you want. For clarification, I don’t use ‘access’=designated but ‘bicycle’=designated, ‘foot’=designated etc. Just like the wiki page sais : “The exact key/value combination access=designated should never appear o

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
On 24/07/2015 11:42 PM, Hubert wrote: access=designated wiki Well, there a ways that are “designated” for specific road users but are not marked explicitly and must be recognized through their design. I would put that as There are ways that are intended for a specific road use... For exam

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > access=designated is defined as "A preferred or designated route for a > specific vehicle type or types," which vehicle type ? For me that only makes sense if you also specify the type, so I prefer designated=xxx ( that's wi

Re: [Tagging] theatre vs concert_hall

2015-07-24 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 24.07.2015 15:41, Tom Pfeifer napisał(a): Many places where concerts are given, are multifunctional in fact, such as playing both operas and symphonic concerts, or have speech theatre one day and chamber_music the other. Thus having one master value for performing arts, currently amenity

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
On 24/07/2015 11:35 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: Access is also used (misused?) for things other than highways ... A hotel may be for 'designated' persons only .. eg employees, students o

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread John Eldredge
That makes sense to me. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 24, 2015 8:11:12 AM Marc Gemis wrote: I wonder what highway=primary; acce

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Hubert
Well, there a ways that are “designated” for specific road users but are not marked explicitly and must be recognized through their design. For example sidewalks. They are designated for pedestrians and could tag – ignoring the tag it as a sub key discussion – as highway=footway (implying foot=

[Tagging] theatre vs concert_hall / Re: Rendering dept questions

2015-07-24 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Daniel Koć wrote on 2015-07-24 14:43: 2. There was also a request for rendering concert halls: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1677 [...] Two most obvious propositions would be: a) amenity=concert_hall b) specific tagging sub-scheme for amenity=theatre Many places w

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Access is also used (misused?) for things other than highways ... > A hotel may be for 'designated' persons only .. eg employees, students > only for an apartment building. > An entry may be 'private' for residence only. > I

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
Access is also used (misused?) for things other than highways ... A hotel may be for 'designated' persons only .. eg employees, students only for an apartment building. An entry may be 'private' for residence only. Those kind of restrictions have been tagged with the access tag. On 24/07/2015

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Marc Gemis
I wonder what highway=primary; access=designated means. I think JOSM even complains about this. Don't you need a type of road that already restricts the access to 1 type of vehicles for that, such as highway=bicycle ? (although in many countries that one implies foot=yes, so it isn't well defined

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread jonathan
I agree with Volker. To me designated meant “what it is says on the roadside signage”. Usually seen where there are unique or special circumstances restricting access. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me From: Warin Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎24‎ ‎July‎ ‎2015 ‎13‎:‎50 To: Tag discussion, strategy

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
so landuse=resort .. does not exist .. tourism=resort .. exists .. 110 uses.. so may well not render. access=designated with the building tagged building=hotel ... will get rendered access=designated On 24/07/2015 3:16 PM, johnw wrote: If there was a pilots club, it wouldn't be tagged as a

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Volker Schmidt
Hmmm. There is a problem. We (cyclists) would like to be able to distinguish between ways that can be used legally by bicycle, and 1) that do not have any traffic sign saying this and 2) those where there is some kind of traffic sign saying explicitly that this way can be used by cyclists I assume

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Warin
On 24/07/2015 9:30 PM, Hubert wrote: access=designated wiki Hallo, during adiscussion within the german forum [1],I have been pointed to the description box of the“access=designated”wikipage [2]. It reads“A way marked for a particular use.”. I would like to change it to“A waydesignatedfor a

[Tagging] Rendering dept questions

2015-07-24 Thread Daniel Koć
Hi, I think some feedback loop would be good from rendering dept, because some features are requested and we could show them, but the help is needed regarding tagging and Wiki documentation: 1. We had problems trying to render site=parking relation on default map: https://github.com/gravit

[Tagging] access=designated wiki

2015-07-24 Thread Hubert
Hallo, during a discussion within the german forum [1], I have been pointed to the description box of the "access=designated" wikipage [2]. It reads "A way marked for a particular use.". I would like to change it to "A way designated for a particular use" or "A way intended for a particular use."

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 23.07.2015 um 23:50 schrieb Richard Welty : > > i'm not at all persuaded that this is an appropriate use of > landuse=military. I agree that landuse=military seems a bit strange for a holiday resort for civilian employees and service staff off duty for recreation. Are