Re: [Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
It’s interesting that wherever you go, the “builder” people all seem to have their own culture and identity - and uniform. The "construction workers" in america that frame houses all seem to be part of of a big club, and the specialty wooden house people here in Japan - daiku-san (大工さん) , with t

Re: [Tagging] city walls

2014-12-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Razed would be much better for this kind of object (though I am not a big fan fan of razed, sooner or later completely mundane things without any kind of recognition are tagged this way). But at least it is not misrepresenting things. 2014-12-16 22:20 GMT+01:00 Zecke : > > > "interesting to map

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-16 Thread Dave Swarthout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: typically city gates have had such a huge impact on the structure of cities > that they normally persist even if there is nothing left in physical terms. Agreed. Here in Chiang Mai Thailand there are a number

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-16 Thread Dave Swarthout
I tag an adit as a node, the opening through which you enter the underground part of a cave or mine. Cheers, Dave On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:26 AM, Zecke wrote: > > Am 16.12.2014 19:19, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > > 2014-12-09 16:39 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : >> >> I get the point. How

Re: [Tagging] Adding values to usage=* key for power transmission

2014-12-16 Thread François Lacombe
2014-12-16 17:50 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > could be. I am also generally for splitting different entities into > separate objects, for the same reasons you describe below. Still with > common values like "abandoned" in the railway key, stuff becomes less > clear, and a combined object of

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
Another common use for such temporary buildings is as the office at a major construction site. They may sit in one place until the construction project is completed, or may be relocated for different phases of the project. Once the project is completed, the construction office trailers are remov

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-16 Thread Zecke
Am 16.12.2014 19:19, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-12-09 16:39 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann >: I get the point. However, man_made=adit has been defined in the wiki to be the entrance only, since August 2010. The tag is used 2309 times that way, i.e

Re: [Tagging] city walls

2014-12-16 Thread Zecke
"interesting to map dismantled city gates as historic=city_gate" It is OK to map ruins/remmants, archeological site - but note that completely destroyed objects should NOT be mapped. typically city gates have had such a huge impact on the structure of cities that they normally persi

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
The existing tagging scheme supports various levels of government, from local up through national. On December 16, 2014 2:50:48 AM CST, Simone Savio wrote: > The issue is that in Italy a government office, for example, > corresponds to the > prefecture. > An office, such as that of the Informa

Re: [Tagging] Wiki - contact: & Map Features

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 19:15 GMT+01:00 Andreas Goss : > > The try to make the Wiki page sound like they are still present more often > in the database. actually the "idea" to prefix phone etc. with "contact:" was never more popular than the simple form. The "contact:"-form was proposed later and never set a

Re: [Tagging] man_made=adit_entrance

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-09 16:39 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann : > > I get the point. However, man_made=adit has been defined in the wiki to be > the entrance only, since August 2010. The tag is used 2309 times that way, > i.e. on nodes. It does not seem right to re-define a tag that has been in > use for so long.

[Tagging] Wiki - contact: & Map Features

2014-12-16 Thread Andreas Goss
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Honestly the people supporting this tag are annoying me more and more. They try to push that tag everywhere even when the tag without the prefix is used 10x more. The try to make the Wiki page sound like they are still present more often in the database. Put it on the MapFeatures

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 18:16 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > "interesting to map dismantled city gates as historic=city_gate" > > It is OK to map ruins/remmants, archeological site - but note that > completely destroyed objects should NOT be mapped. typically city gates have had such a huge impact on th

Re: [Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread SomeoneElse
On 16/12/2014 17:05, Andreas Goss wrote: Just found this tag (craft=builder) on Taginfo and it has been used by a few times, but it does not seem very clear what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Builder So is there any good definition for this tag or should I just create a Wiki page tha

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
"interesting to map dismantled city gates as historic=city_gate" It is OK to map ruins/remmants, archeological site - but note that completely destroyed objects should NOT be mapped. 2014-12-16 11:51 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > 2014-12-16 10:10 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : >> >> (Opening

[Tagging] craft=builder definition?

2014-12-16 Thread Andreas Goss
Just found this tag (craft=builder) on Taginfo and it has been used by a few times, but it does not seem very clear what it means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Builder So is there any good definition for this tag or should I just create a Wiki page that people should use more spefific craft et

Re: [Tagging] Adding values to usage=* key for power transmission

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-06 23:23 GMT+01:00 François Lacombe : > > I guess no one should tag a single feature with both power=* and railway=* > since they are actually separated in reality. > could be. I am also generally for splitting different entities into separate objects, for the same reasons you describe be

Re: [Tagging] Distinction between amenity=restaurant and fast_food

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-12 15:15 GMT+01:00 Serge Wroclawski : > > they also classify it as > casual/not-casual. > > What do folks think of this as an alternative classification? > not sure about this. Around here you can come dressed as you like to any kind of restaurant, or is this casual/not-casual referring t

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 14:44 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > > Semi temporary buildings are usually called portables. Schools I have been > to in the US will have them in place for several years, though they lack a > foundation and can be moved away whole or in sections as a truck trailer - > similar to a mobile hom

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:44 AM, John Willis wrote: > > Semi temporary buildings are usually called portables. Schools I have been > to in the US will have them in place for several years, though they lack a > foundation and can be moved away whole or in sections as a truck trailer - > similar to

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread John Willis
Semi temporary buildings are usually called portables. Schools I have been to in the US will have them in place for several years, though they lack a foundation and can be moved away whole or in sections as a truck trailer - similar to a mobile home. Although the method is not similar, the offic

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread fly
Am 16.12.2014 um 13:04 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2014-12-16 12:36 GMT+01:00 johnw mailto:jo...@mac.com>>: > > Building=Civic + civic=civic_services if it offers something to them > (a place for activities, government funded things or services) > > or > > building=civic

Re: [Tagging] Moveable objects tagged as building=*

2014-12-16 Thread fly
So we are talking about objects which are movable but nearly do not move and are used similar to buildings. Instead of using key building we could use man_made or even some new one. For the fact that these objects are movable we need an additional key with perhaps some values. To distinguish bet

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
Ah - I made a mistake! the civic_admin and civic_service was the values for the landuse. My mistake. it would be: Building=civic + civic=[ youth center?], or whatever value he would want to create. the civic=* subtag I’m suggesting would fill out the missing types of civic buildings - the

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 12:36 GMT+01:00 johnw : > > Building=Civic + civic=civic_services if it offers something to them (a > place for activities, government funded things or services) > > or > > building=civic + civic=civic_admin if it is a place where they go for > paperwork, IDs or whatnot, or both admin an

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread johnw
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Simone Savio wrote: > > The issue is that in Italy a government office, for example, corresponds to > the prefecture. > An office, such as that of the Informagiovani, is very different because it > operates at a local level and it is a specific office for young p

Re: [Tagging] Combining gas stations & convenience stores

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 4:12 GMT+01:00 johnw : > > As long as it’s a pizza shop, it’s all cuisine=pizza, right? ;-) The main distinction in Italy (and you can find similar differences in the offering probably also in other countries, think Pizza Hut vs. a nice Italian restaurant) is between "round pizza" an

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-16 10:10 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt : > > (Opening a new thread to keep the conversations clean) > > Thanks for this improvement that made appear many walled cities in Veneto > on your map. > > Then I spot checked Rome and found some pieces of city walls that are not > shown as such. > > They

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
"operates at a local leve" "it is a specific office for young people." It may expressed by additional tags - it is unnecessary to create top-level rags for every single subtle variation. Also, something intended to function in this way was present in Poland during Soviet occupation, it is not som

Re: [Tagging] city walls (was: Watermill attributes)

2014-12-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
(Opening a new thread to keep the conversations clean) Thanks for this improvement that made appear many walled cities in Veneto on your map. Then I spot checked Rome and found some pieces of city walls that are not shown as such. They are all tagged with historic=citywalls. Taginfo gives 5489 h

Re: [Tagging] [tagging] Amenity=Ufficio_Pubblico

2014-12-16 Thread Simone Savio
The issue is that in Italy a government office, for example, corresponds to the prefecture. An office, such as that of the Informagiovani, is very different because it operates at a local level and it is a specific office for young people. Simone 2014-12-16 3:35 GMT+01:00 johnw : > > working on a