Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:52:29 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/15 Elizabeth Dodd : > > > I would have put 'craft' under industrial, and then used 'trade' but > > craft is too far processed to consider a complete alternative. > > > this might be a cultural difference, but IMHO craft is

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:53 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/9/15 Nathan Edgars II : >> I've used it, and it's a natural extension of highway=stop. Maybe the >> highway tag is overloaded; you can't tag a node that's both >> traffic_signals and motorway_junction or crossing. But give_way isn'

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:57 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > It does seem, however, that it would seem to make more sense to either have > separate nodes for each of the possible directions, or have some other way of > signifying which direction or directions the stop sign applies to. http://wiki

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread John F. Eldredge
It does seem, however, that it would seem to make more sense to either have separate nodes for each of the possible directions, or have some other way of signifying which direction or directions the stop sign applies to. Frequently, only some of the traffic directions at an intersection are req

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 06:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > this might be a cultural difference, but IMHO craft is the mere > opposite of industrial It's somewhere between hobby and industrial... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 Nathan Edgars II : > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> Recently I stumbled upon a tag sneaked into the wiki without (AFAIK) >> any discussion or announcement on this list. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dgive_way > > I've used it, and

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 Elizabeth Dodd : > I would have put 'craft' under industrial, and then used 'trade' but > craft is too far processed to consider a complete alternative. this might be a cultural difference, but IMHO craft is the mere opposite of industrial cheers, Martin _

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Recently I stumbled upon a tag sneaked into the wiki without (AFAIK) > any discussion or announcement on this list. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dgive_way I've used it, and it's a natural extension of highway=sto

Re: [Tagging] place tagging for rendering cities and towns vs townships

2010-09-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
(copied to the talk-us list) On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Antony Pegg wrote: > ok I can't figure this out and its driving me crazy! > > please look at this map: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.024&lon=-76.242&zoom=9&layers=M > > > In the middle of it you will see "West Lampeter" > > if

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:59:49 +0200 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > If people would ask here before simply sneaking in tags, there would > probably be less mess in the wiki and our tagging structure. Certainly. I haven't tagged highway=give_way but I have definitely put in new shop categories withou

[Tagging] place tagging for rendering cities and towns vs townships

2010-09-15 Thread Antony Pegg
ok I can't figure this out and its driving me crazy! please look at this map: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.024&lon=-76.242&zoom=9&layers=M In the middle of it you will see "West Lampeter" if you zoom in to ZL 10, you will see "Lancaster" finally show up as a label. If you zoom back out

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 15. September 2010 19:53 schrieb Matthias Meißer : > Hi Martin, > > you spot exactly the point. There are a few tags in different tagging pages > that have one of this: no discussion, not wellknown, unvoted the problem is, that until they fit into our common logics they are quite welcome to me

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 04:36, Richard Welty wrote: >> railway=service... I haven't checked but I wouldn't be surprised if >> railway=depot already exists... >> > a quick check suggests depot is not currently showing in the wiki > for tagging. I wasn't talking about the wiki, I'm suggesting people m

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/15/10 1:38 PM, John Smith wrote: On 16 September 2010 00:16, Richard Welty wrote: i agree, there are other kinds of depot besides these transportation related ones (military depots, for example.) while right this instant i'm mostly interested in the transportation ones, there's no reason

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
2010/9/16 Matthias Meißer : > I have no clue how to improve the situation, there were no real good ideas > in how to improve/reanimate the proposal process No, there were no ideas that everyone would be happy with. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Matthias Meißer
Hi Martin, you spot exactly the point. There are a few tags in different tagging pages that have one of this: no discussion, not wellknown, unvoted I started a topic back in August with the aim to clean the wiki: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/003518.html but ther

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 September 2010 00:16, Richard Welty wrote: > i agree, there are other kinds of depot besides these transportation > related ones (military depots, for example.) while right this instant > i'm mostly interested in the transportation ones, there's no reason > to exclude the broader usage, whic

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 Pieren : > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:59 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> >> There are >> no indications on how to use this (on a node part of the highway or >> beside it). Why is this a highway-tag? >> > > Consistent with the very similar tag highway=stop which is fine for me (but > r

Re: [Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:59 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > There are > no indications on how to use this (on a node part of the highway or > beside it). Why is this a highway-tag? > > Consistent with the very similar tag highway=stop which is fine for me (but raises the same questions). Piere

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/15/10 9:50 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Depot should IMHO not be a highway-tag (I'd prefer to keep highway related to streets, paths and similar). i agree, there are other kinds of depot besides these transportation related ones (military depots, for example.) while right this instant

[Tagging] sneaking in tags in the wiki

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Recently I stumbled upon a tag sneaked into the wiki without (AFAIK) any discussion or announcement on this list. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dgive_way Actually we do have a proposal process and if the creator would have used it, there probably wouldn't be such a bad descripti

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 John F. Eldredge : > A garage is highway-related, but it isn't a way.  As far as I know, all of > the other usages of the highway tag are a road, path, track, motorway, or > some other type of way. I agree (the only exception I am aware of is highway=bus_stop on nodes (actually lookin

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread John F. Eldredge
A garage is highway-related, but it isn't a way. As far as I know, all of the other usages of the highway tag are a road, path, track, motorway, or some other type of way. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Pieren wrote: > > Most examples listed by Richard seemed to be highway related... > > > > > > > but parking is also highway related... > Why not > "amenity=depot" ? Proposed depot are close to parking (access private and special purpose), so it seems a good idea to stay close to parking tag for

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:58 AM, John Smith wrote: > > Most examples listed by Richard seemed to be highway related... > > > but parking is also highway related... Why not "amenity=depot" ? Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 September 2010 19:53, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes for the subtags, but why "highway"? Most examples listed by Richard seemed to be highway related... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 John Smith : > On 15 September 2010 08:48, Richard Welty wrote: >> so depot really sounds ok. > > So... > > highway=depot > depot=bus|communication|road_works| yes for the subtags, but why "highway"? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] tagging government garages

2010-09-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/15 Katie Filbert : >> these are the obvious ones, although there are also >> garages devoted to commercial vehicle fleets. >> >> anyone have any thoughts on this? > > I would tag them as amenity=parking + access=private + operator=New York > State Department of Transortation (or whatever ap