Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2010 12:11, Dave F. wrote: > To differentiate between different entities, such as, in this thread, > different uses of hospitals & ambulances can be clarified using sub rags - > it doesn't have to be done in the primary one. People think amenity is over crowded, and perhaps Liz's sugg

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 12:36, Liz wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote: In an emergency you don't give damn where that building is, just how quickly the ambulance can get to you. Emergency should be used for items that you need to find in an emergency. sorry, mate I don't agree I do need to know w

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread pavithran
On 31 July 2010 17:20, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > Discussion > was quite reasonable until "don't change what doesn't > work...ups...works...sort of" meme didn't kicked in. > > I understand amount of work what should be done to change things. > However, should it be stoppage power so we do nothing

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-07-31 Thread ael
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 07:57:40PM +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael wrote: > > I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't > > seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"? > > There are specialty places that sell upmarket timbe

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 12:49, Liz wrote: I guess you have never tried to find a tag description on the wiki then. You will just have to imagine having open 3 very long pages of approved / proposed / abandoned proposals and searching for something which just approximates a particular type of "amenity" -

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 12:50, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Let's be more civil and polite with each other too. I resent your accusations of me being uncivil & impolite. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:47, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Sounds sensible to me, I'm busy tracing new nearmap imagery. With extremely useful changeset comments? :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Ross Scanlon
> Work out why it doesn't appear (5 min - your patch is actually very > slightly wrong btw, can you spot your mistake?) Spotted my friday afternoon coding did you. Glad to see someones on the ball!! > However the above is just for fun - lets replace my original statement > with 'a lot of time' a

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 22:04, Cartinus wrote: > On Saturday 31 July 2010 13:45:29 John Smith wrote: >> just repeating yourself by >> saying the same thing repeatedly won't make it any more true or more >> valid than other peoples opinions... > > Could you please, pretty please apply this "rule" to yours

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Cartinus
On Saturday 31 July 2010 13:45:29 John Smith wrote: > just repeating yourself by > saying the same thing repeatedly won't make it any more true or more > valid than other peoples opinions... Could you please, pretty please apply this "rule" to yourself too. -- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/31 Dave F. : >  On 31/07/2010 12:25, John Smith wrote: >> >> Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in >> the amenity key space... > > There's nothing wrong with that. > It doesn't cause a problem. It *does* cause a confusion in lot of OSMers, experienced and new

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/7/31 Dave F. : ... > Your proposal  doesn't add any value to OSM. > Sorry John, but you really haven't thought this through. I think we can stop right here with Dave personal attack to John (it was strange because there is at least three persons in this thread who supports this change) and th

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote: > > Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in > > the amenity key space... > > There's nothing wrong with that. > It doesn't cause a problem. I guess you have never tried to find a tag description on the wiki then. You will just have

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:40, Dave F. wrote: > On 31/07/2010 12:25, John Smith wrote: >> >> Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in >> the amenity key space... > > There's nothing wrong with that. > It doesn't cause a problem. Some people think this is a problem, and just

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 12:25, John Smith wrote: Actually it does, it splits things away from let's dump everything in the amenity key space... There's nothing wrong with that. It doesn't cause a problem. Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@ope

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:30, Dave F. wrote: > Why? What advantages does it bring? Stephen did a pros and cons email on this topic, you would have been better replying to that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Liz
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Dave F. wrote: > In an emergency you don't give damn where that building is, just how > quickly the ambulance can get to you. > Emergency should be used for items that you need to find in an emergency. sorry, mate I don't agree I do need to know where that building is, and th

[Tagging] tag groupings

2010-07-31 Thread Daniel Tremblay
If I may add my 2¢ here. Apply the KISS principle (Keep It Short and Simple). PS: I know that KISS initialy stands for keep it simple stupid but I don't want to be rude ;-) I am a newbie. I am not a map specialist. I love to do cycling. And Openstreetmap can help me practicing my activity. A

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Fire_Hydrant

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 26/07/2010 12:41, Richard Welty wrote: On 7/26/10 4:20 AM, John Smith wrote: On 26 July 2010 18:16, wrote: Hi, Here is a proposal for a new way to tag fire hydrants. It's more precise than the old "amenity=fire_hydrant" tag and there is a very active discussion on the German board: htt

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 21:20, Dave F. wrote: > & you've exacerbated the inconsistency by splitting fire & ambulance > stations to different keys! This thread was about shifting police and fire to emergency... > The original post was about fire_hydrants (I think - with the threads > getting split it's h

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 01:59, John Smith wrote: On 31 July 2010 09:51, Dave F. wrote: If it ain't broke... This wouldn't have come up if everyone thought that, there is a lot of inconsistencies in the current tags on the map features page. It was you that bought it up! & you've exacerbated the inco

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Total time 6 minutes > Hundreds of hours, yeah right. What you have given is an absolute minimum time for someone who already understands to actually edit the files. You've skipped research, testing and deployment. > The program I've been

Re: [Tagging] emergency=*

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
On 31/07/2010 00:47, Ross Scanlon wrote: I just don't see an ambulance/fire station as an emergency. I mean, if you fall down and injure yourself you don't try& get to the station you 'phone up& get an ambulance to come to you. The suggestion is to have fire, police and ambulance as emergenc

[Tagging] Polite request for when replying.

2010-07-31 Thread Dave F.
Hi all I'm easily confused at the best of times, & with the lengthy discussions threads getting split up, I'm completely lost. (& from looking at some of the replies, I suspect I'm not alone). For me it displayed in Thunderbird & Outlook express & - http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/t

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael wrote: > I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't > seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"? There are specialty places that sell upmarket timber/wood but wouldn't call themselves a timber_yard...

Re: [Tagging] Builders' Merchants -> Timber Merchant

2010-07-31 Thread ael
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:03:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 26 June 2010 19:24, ael wrote: > > What about trade? In uk "selling to the trade" implies an outlet which > > sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this > > tends to be used in advertising to attempt to imp