Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

On 27 Feb 2014, at 3:44 am, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Nic, you make it sound like I've repeatedly dropped multiple patches you've > tried to submit. I hope I've not been that irresponsible. I have both submitted patches and also emailed asking if I should submit a patch when I have modified

Re: [sword-devel] Translation Tools

On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 07:34 +0100, Teus Benschop wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > > I am not sure if the "distributed/collaborative authoring & editing > tools" mentioned on the website may refer to the Bibledit suite of > programs. Crosswire packagers have at times packaged the software for > Debian. Pe

Re: [sword-devel] Malayalam module

On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 10:39 +0530, Baiju M wrote: > > If nobody else working on Malayalam, I would like to start working on > it. I am very new here, so I need some pointers to start. Have a look at our wiki - www.crosswire.org/wiki > > I am thinking to use wiki source version as the base. Shoul

Re: [sword-devel] Translation Tools

Hi Joseph, I am not sure if the "distributed/collaborative authoring & editing tools" mentioned on the website may refer to the Bibledit suiteof programs. Crosswire packagers have at times packaged

Re: [sword-devel] Malayalam module

Hi, The source files were uploaded by Nishad H. Kaippally to wiki source: http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%89%E0%B4%AA%E0%B4%AF%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%8D:Kaippally He also maintains another source here: http://www.malayalambible.in http://www.malayalambib

Re: [sword-devel] Translation Tools

Hi Joseph, I'm not sure where you've seen this mentioned on our site, but we've recently written a distributed authoring tool for Bible scholars to collaboratively transcribe ancient manuscripts for the Institut für neutestamentliche Textforschung. You can see the software here: http://ntvm

[sword-devel] Translation Tools

Hey, I'm a software developer working in Shanghai and I'm new to the SWORD project. You're site mentions having "distributed/collaborative authoring & editing tools and textual analysis tools" but I'm not seeing these on the site or github (I might just be looking in all the wrong places). Three t

Re: [sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

Daniel, If you are looking at the code I sent you, you will need the latest SVN to compile against it. I have have a fresh Ubuntu (13.10, but the packages seem to be named the same for quite some time) and here is what I have just done to get a full featured SWORD configuration reported at t

Re: [sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

On 02/26/2014 05:38 AM, Daniel Hughes wrote: > What do I need to do to build the latest sword? Start with a fresh tree. Edit usrinst.sh to enable shared libs: #OPTIONS="--disable-shared $OPTIONS" Then... ./autogen.sh ./usrinst.sh make sudo make install autogen.sh will require that you have the "a

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 23:20 +0200, Raoul Snyman wrote: > It is completely over-engineered and over-complicated. I mean, which is > better, merging or rebasing? Not even the git fans can agree. It depends. These are two different tools for two different operations. E.g., IMNSHO you should merge cle

Re: [sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

Oh, i just get what you meant about speed and size of translation. What you would like to achieve beyond i have implemented? It is optimized in speed and is very lightweight in size. As a bonus it can be used in per translation versification concept. The only thing i would like to change is to s

Re: [sword-devel] Malayalam module

That page is in Malayalam, but appears to claim the bible being presented at that wikisource page is an 1870 British and Foreign Bible Society work (possibly updated in 1910).  However, my ability to read Malayalam is somewhat nonexistent.  One of the links close to the Bottom takes you to indiv

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

I'm beginning to wonder if this conversation is going anywhere. Troy has already stated he doesn't want to use git because: 1) He doesn't think there is a clear winner in the FOSS camp among DVCS options [true a few years ago, but not true anymore]. 2) He doesn't find it to have any killer features

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Raoul Snyman wrote: > > > >Could I ask, please, why do you not like git today? I mean git as it > >stands in Winter/Early Spring 2014, not some original version? > > It is completely over-engineered and over-complicated. I mean, which is > better, merging or rebas

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

The Kernel does pull requests but just via email. They don't email patches around. Not since they went to GIT. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Raoul Snyman wrote: > > >>Could I ask, please, why do you not like git today? I mean git as it >>stands in Winter/Early Spring 2014, not some original v

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

>Could I ask, please, why do you not like git today? I mean git as it >stands in Winter/Early Spring 2014, not some original version? It is completely over-engineered and over-complicated. I mean, which is better, merging or rebasing? Not even the git fans can agree. People who love git actual

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

I've did the major part of jsword's migration to git, and would be happy to help if y'all decide moving this further. -- qmx pgp_waWahkELy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/m

Re: [sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

I would suggest only following at moment: sword::renderText(std::list modules, ListKey &passages, const int renderFlags); But it require another years to be implemented in Sword and then implemented in frontends. BibleTime will need to rewrite whole render facility. 2014-02-27 0:45 GMT+04:00 Ко

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On Wed, 2014-02-26 at 21:12 +0100, Manfred Bergmann wrote: > I don't like git as well. Could I ask, please, why do you not like git today? I mean git as it stands in Winter/Early Spring 2014, not some original version? Otherwise, yes, I believe that everything outside of git is more or less dead

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

I work in an organization with ubuntu, windows and mac developers. We use Mercurial which you can think of as a simplified and easier version of git. This has a crossplatform UI front end called tortoisehg which most windows users here use. Our source control history has included, Visual SourceSaf

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another word to clarify some stuff said too enthusiastically about git which might otherwise give a wrong impression: 1) For rewriting history (removing big files etc) one must have sufficient access to the copy of the repository to be rewritten. User

Re: [sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

That ppa is the one that hasn't been updated in almost 2 years. So the version of sword in it is 1.6.1 not 1.7.2 I'm interested in sword not a front end. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 because that is the current long term support version (LTS). God bless, Daniel Hughes On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:25 AM,

Re: [sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

Sorry for previous attempt. 2014-02-26 23:00 GMT+04:00 Troy A. Griffitts : > One positive thing from the previous thread is the reminder of Kosta's > proposed implementation for translation between modules of varying v11n. > > The accusation of irresponsibility is warranted, not for delaying the p

[sword-devel] Malayalam module

Hi, Is there anyone working on Malayalam (Indian language) module ? I found this free text here. Is it possible to use it as a source ? http://ml.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%B4%B8%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%B5%E0%B5%87%E0%B4%A6%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%81%E0%B4%B8%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82 Re

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.02.2014 16:24, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Though as an aside, just from a personal query, how do you guys get > Windows and GUI Mac users to use git? I have at least 2 ancillary > projects with SVN repos on CrossWire's server where the users are

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

I can fully understand you. I don't like git as well. Though I use Bazaar for all I'm developing. And yet, Bazaar is said to be dead or at least not much effort is put into it any longer. I'm still using it because I don't like git. People who wish to contribute do contribute which ever VCS or DV

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

The problem we experienced with binaries is that we had every version that we ever used checked into SVN. When you checked out SVN you got the latest. It bloats the repository only on the server, not on the client. In git, my first pass was naive I just put all SVN history into it. The checkout

Re: [sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

26.02.2014 23:00 пользователь "Troy A. Griffitts" написал: > > One positive thing from the previous thread is the reminder of Kosta's proposed implementation for translation between modules of varying v11n. > > The accusation of irresponsibility is warranted, not for delaying the patch submission,

Re: [sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

JSword now has a fairly maintainable human-readable set of mapping files. I personally haven't come across a use case that we have been unable to cater for yet. We have seen various issues related to performance, but some of these have been fixed and others are in the process of. They were partly d

[sword-devel] Parallel display of modules with varying v11ns

One positive thing from the previous thread is the reminder of Kosta's proposed implementation for translation between modules of varying v11n. The accusation of irresponsibility is warranted, not for delaying the patch submission, but for delaying the discussion toward a resolution and buyin by

Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

Above and beyond the benefits of using a DVCS, using GitHub provides a place for collaboration and code review that a mailing list cannot provide. There are some things that a mailing list is still well suited for, but when you're wishing to discuss code and collaborate around code, GitHub really i

Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

Even though it is a dvcs, it is usually the norm to want to push back to a master branch especially for redistributable libraries. Chris On 26 Feb 2014 17:23, "Peter Von Kaehne" wrote: > > Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" ptures" started) > > > While I enjoy hearing all the the praises of git from its fa

Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

> Von: "Troy A. Griffitts" ptures" started) > While I enjoy hearing all the the praises of git from its fanbase, I don't > agree with your deductions. There are at least two sword git repositories > publicly available which I know about. The point is,> git is a DVCS. > Collaboration happens

Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

While I enjoy hearing all the the praises of git from its fanbase, I don't agree with your deductions. There are at least two sword git repositories publicly available which I know about. The point is, git is a DVCS. Collaboration happens between distributed clones regardless if the source from

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

In git it's fairly easy to rewrite the history to remove big binary files as well. Later versions of git are fine with binary and treat these are binary files rather than trying to work out a diff. I'd argue the same with SVN, that the use of binaries bloats the repository ;) Chris On 26 Febru

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

Rather than continuing hijacking the prior thread, I'm actually breaking this out to a new top level thread. It will be easier to follow in the mailman listing. JSword has benefited from going to git, especially with collaboration. The vocabulary of git is interesting and perhaps off-putting to

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On the ancillary - if you install git on windows, you get the default terminal. A lot of people also use Tortoise Git which is the equivalent of Tortoise SVN and very good. There are some very good (better even) tools for Mac I'm told. On top of that git is now part of the core Eclipse and Intellij

Re: [sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Troy A. Griffitts > wrote: > Quickly, regarding DVCS, the argument to keeping SVN over a > DVCS isn't that a DVCS isn't 'better' in some ways or as Peter > has suggested, wouldn't let us maintain tight review of our > code or tha

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Though as an aside, just from a personal query, how do you guys get Windows > and GUI Mac users to use git? I have at least 2 ancillary projects with SVN > repos on CrossWire's server where the users are not programmers, the command > li

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 07:24:17AM -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: I installed TortoiseSVN for them. They are HTML designers, flash programmers, transcription editors, etc. It was a real https://code.google.com/p/tortoisegit/ ? http://gitx.frim.nl/ ?? http://git-scm.com/downloads/guis Also, a

[sword-devel] DVCS (was Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started)

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > Quickly, regarding DVCS, the argument to keeping SVN over a DVCS isn't > that a DVCS isn't 'better' in some ways or as Peter has suggested, wouldn't > let us maintain tight review of our code or that we simply don't ever want > to change

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

Quickly, regarding DVCS, the argument to keeping SVN over a DVCS isn't that a DVCS isn't 'better' in some ways or as Peter has suggested, wouldn't let us maintain tight review of our code or that we simply don't ever want to change anything. We eventually switched from CVS to SVN :) The reason

Re: [sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

>From a JSword point of view, I feel it has encouraged more frequent commits and easier to review the changes. I certainly felt I could commit to the engine more readibly - i.e. branching, building STEP of the branch of JSword while the pull request gets reviewed/merged. On 26 February 2014 13:23

Re: [sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

On 26/02/14 10:38, Daniel Hughes wrote: I am trying to build SWORD on ubuntu 12.04. I am a c# develop so have no experience with building cpp/c applications You might also want to look up: https://launchpad.net/~pkgcrosswire/+archive/ppa The information I gave earlier will only build the eng

[sword-devel] Architecture and DVCS - was : Re: Project "Free Scriptures" started

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 um 10:50 Uhr > Von: "Nic Carter" > Sorry for the top-post-reply, but here it is, so I guess I'm not all that > sorry ;) > > The main bit of code you are referring to (parsing the HTML) is my code. > There is other code that parses the return from an FTP

Re: [sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

On 26/02/14 10:38, Daniel Hughes wrote: I am trying to build SWORD on ubuntu 12.04. I am a c# develop so have no experience with building cpp/c applications I'm afraid the readme is out of date. What you need to do is: Install the libicu-dev package also build-essential, automake, libtool an

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

Sorry for the top-post-reply, but here it is, so I guess I'm not all that sorry ;) The main bit of code you are referring to (parsing the HTML) is my code. There is other code that parses the return from an FTP server, which is ancient code. My code is (relatively) new, only about 3 years old?

[sword-devel] Building SWORD on ubuntu 12.04

I am trying to build SWORD on ubuntu 12.04. I am a c# develop so have no experience with building cpp/c applications I downloaded the latest SWORD from http://www.crosswire.org/sword/software/swordapi.jsp I then ran ./configure as per the instructions in the README I then ran make, this generate

Re: [sword-devel] Project "Free Scriptures" started

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Jonathan! On 25.02.2014 15:49, Jonathan Morgan wrote: > I've been around CrossWire for quite a few years without actually > being part of the official group, so I think my opinion might be > helpful here as I don't have any turf to defend (Cross