* Doug Barton wrote:
> what I had in mind for a fix was something more like this:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/termcap.src-diff.txt
Looks okay. Unfortunately it causes us to massively deviate from the
version shipped with xterm, but I guess that's the only solution.
Could you write a simil
Erik Trulsson wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 01:03:42PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>> Doug Barton writes:
>>> To be clear, I am NOT asking for a backout ... IIRC in the thread that
>>> discussed this issue there were quite a few people who thought that
>>> FreeBSD not clearing the screen
On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Garrett Wollman wrote:
< said:
It's not "what Linux does", it's what xterm does.
It's also, not to put too fine a point on it, obnoxious and stupid.
Let's please have the useful behavior. There's a good reason why
our "xterm" termcap entry has never had this bogus beha
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 01:03:42PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Doug Barton writes:
> > To be clear, I am NOT asking for a backout ... IIRC in the thread that
> > discussed this issue there were quite a few people who thought that
> > FreeBSD not clearing the screen was a POLA violation sin
* Ed Schouten wrote:
> * Andriy Gapon wrote:
> > Seriously, I think that this change is a mild POLA violation, which
> > neither was discussed nor welcome as it seems. Perhaps, not even
> > planned. So I believe that termcap should be changed back to
> > traditional behavior for FreeBSD. At le
< said:
> It's not "what Linux does", it's what xterm does.
It's also, not to put too fine a point on it, obnoxious and stupid.
Let's please have the useful behavior. There's a good reason why
our "xterm" termcap entry has never had this bogus behavior enabled
(except for brief periods after so
Valentin Nechayev writes:
> I also vote for old variant. If anybody wants to keep previous screen
> contents, there are many ways for this (another xterm, screen, less,
> etc.), and all they are more predictable and controllable than
> alternate screen which isn't loggable and isn't provided by ma
Doug Barton writes:
> To be clear, I am NOT asking for a backout ... IIRC in the thread that
> discussed this issue there were quite a few people who thought that
> FreeBSD not clearing the screen was a POLA violation since that's what
> linux does, and it's what most people are used to.
It's not
Garrett Wollman writes:
> I don't understand why people put up with the unspeakably obnoxious
> "alternate screen" behavior. Please don't tell me someone actually
> thinks it's *useful*.
Lots of people think it's useful.
DES
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no
Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 00:24:08, wollman wrote about "Re: svn commit: r200369 -
in head: etc share/termcap":
> > It's great, thank!!
> > I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
> > applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are th
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On 2009.12.12 11:35:44 -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> Ronald Klop wrote:
> > Maybe this?
> > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2009-July/009102.html
>
> YES! I knew it was something simple and clever like that but I
> couldn't find it. Thanks Ronald (and des for posting
Ronald Klop wrote:
> Maybe this?
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/svn-src-head/2009-July/009102.html
YES! I knew it was something simple and clever like that but I
couldn't find it. Thanks Ronald (and des for posting the original).
To be clear, I am NOT asking for a backout ... IIRC in the th
In message: <19235.10488.325168.267...@hergotha.csail.mit.edu>
Garrett Wollman writes:
: < said:
:
: > It's great, thank!!
: > I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
: > applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
: > back to the
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:36:03 +0100, Doug Barton wrote:
Christoph Mallon wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
Garrett Wollman wrote:
< said:
It's great, thank!!
I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
b
On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:24:08 +0200, Garrett Wollman
wrote:
<
said:
It's great, thank!!
I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
back to the behavior?
I don't understand why people put up wi
Doug Barton wrote:
Christoph Mallon wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
Garrett Wollman wrote:
< said:
It's great, thank!!
I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
back to the behavior?
I don't underst
* Andriy Gapon wrote:
> Seriously, I think that this change is a mild POLA violation, which
> neither was discussed nor welcome as it seems. Perhaps, not even
> planned. So I believe that termcap should be changed back to
> traditional behavior for FreeBSD. At least for now.
Sure. It wasn't pl
on 12/12/2009 11:36 Doug Barton said the following:
> Christoph Mallon wrote:
>> Doug Barton wrote:
>>> Garrett Wollman wrote:
<>>> said:
> It's great, thank!!
> I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
> applications such as less(1) are terminated
Christoph Mallon wrote:
> Doug Barton wrote:
>> Garrett Wollman wrote:
>>> <>> said:
>>>
It's great, thank!!
I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
back to the behavior?
>>>
>>>
Doug Barton wrote:
Garrett Wollman wrote:
< said:
It's great, thank!!
I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
back to the behavior?
I don't understand why people put up with the unspeakably ob
Garrett Wollman wrote:
> < said:
>
>> It's great, thank!!
>> I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
>> applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
>> back to the behavior?
>
>
>
> I don't understand why people put up with the unspeakably o
< said:
> It's great, thank!!
> I believe that our xterm entry was modified not to clear screen when
> applications such as less(1) are terminated. Are there any chance to
> back to the behavior?
I don't understand why people put up with the unspeakably obnoxious
"alternate screen" behavior.
Hi,
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:25:53 + (UTC)
> Ed Schouten said:
ed> Author: ed
ed> Date: Thu Dec 10 22:25:53 2009
ed> New Revision: 200369
ed> URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/200369
ed> Log:
ed> Update termcap entries for xterm.
ed>
ed> It turns out these entries do
Author: ed
Date: Thu Dec 10 22:25:53 2009
New Revision: 200369
URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/200369
Log:
Update termcap entries for xterm.
It turns out these entries do make Terminal.app behave a little better.
According to Thomas Dickey, Terminal.app should use TERM=nsterm a
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