Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-24 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:50:07AM +0100, Richard wrote: > Is there a site where this updated version will be released? It will be announced here as usual and be available at . Ciao, -- FA ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-24 Thread Richard
Is there a site where this updated version will be released? Time to switch to Linux. Jconvolver will let you define any complex matrix you want (up to 64 * 64) as a simple text file. UHJ encoding and decoding are supplied as examples. The next release will make this even simpler as it

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 23 August 2011 22:49 +0300 Eero Aro wrote: Software decoders: Did I forget any? Yes - Blue Ripple. But the question was actually about UHJ decoders, not B-format to speaker decoders - of which I know only the Blue Ripple, the others being kits of some kind requiring non-trivial setti

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Richard
Any clues on how to do this? . A UHJ decoder will decode Matrix H nicely. If you can tweak it to 45J, even better. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - No virus

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Richard G Elen
I'd also look at http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/Aurora/conversion_between_uhj_and_b.htm --R On 23/08/2011 20:49, Eero Aro wrote: Software decoders: http://www.derby.ac.uk/staff-search/dr-bruce-wiggins http://www.radio.uqam.ca/ambisonic/ http://www.dmalham.freeserve.co.uk/vst_ambisonics.html http:

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Eero Aro
Software decoders: http://www.derby.ac.uk/staff-search/dr-bruce-wiggins http://www.radio.uqam.ca/ambisonic/ http://www.dmalham.freeserve.co.uk/vst_ambisonics.html http://www.muse.demon.co.uk/utils/ambidec.html http://www.gerzonic.net/ possibly also these: http://mcgriffy.com/audio/ambisonic/vvmi

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Eric Benjamin
: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP > Peter also mentions the Meridian software decoder, which is not available. However there are plenty of software decoders available for download. Duu.uuh!  Mr. Elen, could you please provide some links to these.  I've

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 05:28:38AM -, Richard Lee wrote: > Duu.uuh! Mr. Elen, could you please provide some links to these. I've > already checked the Unobtainium Software website for software UHJ decoders. Time to switch to Linux. Jconvolver will let you define any complex matrix you

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Richard Lee
> Peter also mentions the Meridian software decoder, which is not available. However there are plenty of software decoders available for download. Duu.uuh! Mr. Elen, could you please provide some links to these. I've already checked the Unobtainium Software website for software UHJ decoders.

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Malham
Having looked at these scans, I think I remember seeing this once (it's the yellow colouring - quite distinctive) probably when we visited Howard Smith for a demo at his house high up in the Yorkshire Dales in, I think, the late 70's. Unfortunately, I can't remember if he played it or not. One th

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-23 Thread Dave Malham
Actually, there was a modification for this decoder that converted (I think) the 45J setting to UHJ that was actually provided in the Integrex kits. Unfortunately, I'm not actually sure that it was the 45J that changed - I didn't label it it the time (it was, um, obvious :-[ and it isn't clear in

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard Lee
> Now, if it is BMX then it should be decodable in the same way I decode QS (and SQ) as QS was based on RM If it was from Calrec in 1974, it is more likely to be based on RM which was based on QS (rather than the other way). If the recording was made in a nice hall, you can hear the difference

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard G Elen
I was running KPM Studios at 21 Denmark Street - EMI Music Publishing - and mixed quite a few UHJ albums while I was there. They're in the Ambisonic Discography under KPM Music: http://members.cox.net/surround/uhjdisc/uhjhtm.htm#ambikpm Ambisonics wasn't an official policy: we used Ambisonics i

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Ah, you been looking at the blog? All of my time so far has been improving SQ & QS decoding. Have just completed the final tweaks for what is to be the final version of the QS scripts, and if I say so myself, its remarkably good. Just listening to Rudolph Kempe's recording for Tudor of Bruckners

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Eero Aro
Richard wrote: Ah, right. Not sure I really want to get into building a decoder, wouldn't have thought twice back in the 70's That's fine, even though it isn't a difficult project. The difficult part is how to find the 1% caps. All other components are easy to find nowadays. Richard, are you a

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Ah, right. Not sure I really want to get into building a decoder, wouldn't have thought twice back in the 70's, but don't seem to have the time to do anything nowadays. Must be an age thing LOL Thanks for your help Richard Hi Richard and Gang It is pretty difficult to see the encoding f

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Hi Yes, that's the album. Right, I'm clear on the G-Format now. So, EMI used 45J? I thought they were solidly SQ until the end of the 70's. Thanks for the information Richard Sorry to come late to this party, I've been out of the country. I don't know the Calrec stuff at all well. There's

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Eero Aro
Richard wrote: The entry is under "Various Record Labels": Oops. Thanks. Good it's there. Eero ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard G Elen
On 22/08/2011 19:49, Eero Aro wrote: It's great that you have found another missing Ambisonic recording. It isn't listed in the Ambisonic Discography yet: http://members.cox.net/surround/uhjdisc/ambindex.htm It's in here: http://members.cox.net/surround/uhjdisc/uhjhtm.htm#Various The entry is u

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Eero Aro
Hi Richard and Gang It is pretty difficult to see the encoding from the oscilloscope picture as this is an acoustic SFM organ recording. There haven't been any single point sources at any direction in the church, not to mention center front. If you have a center panned mono signal encoded into U

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard G Elen
On 22/08/2011 19:42, Richard G Elen wrote: Derrick Cantrell's Organ Recital at Hepstonall Parish Church ...AS1 Sorry, "Heptonstall". This typo actually originates in the Ambisonic Discography, which does include this album. -_R ___ Sursound mailing

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard G Elen
Sorry to come late to this party, I've been out of the country. I don't know the Calrec stuff at all well. There's Derrick Cantrell's Organ Recital at Hepstonall Parish Church, which I think was the first; catalogue number AS1 I think. If it's from 1974, then it could well be 45J. When I was

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
ha ha ha, now let me guess.. 45? LOL The album was released on Calrec's own label, scans available to download: http://hotfile.com/dl/127545446/741abae/AS1_Cover.rar.html I did a quick recording of a track and looked at the waveform with the Spectral Phase Display in Audition and there wa

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Geoffrey Barton
On > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:16:08 +0100 > From: "Richard" > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' > LP > To: "Surround Sound discussion group" > Message-ID: <5E69167FE4FB4878AA81D

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Well, thanks for the reply, and it does bring up a question, but firstly, I guess if I scan this album cover and label, then upload it to Hotfile then anyone can have a peek. I'll post the link here. So, i'll give it a try using the programs I've at hand to decode UHJ, not so sure about 'G form

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Peter Carbines
On 22/08/2011 16:02, Dave Malham wrote: I would think that the only people around who are really likely to know for certain are Geoffrey Barton, Peter Carbines or Peter Craven - pretty well everyone else has gone... I've just checked the remaining UHJ vinyls I have, although I don't recall th

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Can I have your email address as I suspect we can't attach files here Richard Yeah - do scan the cover, could be informative. NRDC were, indeed, very much involved in the introduction of UHJ/Ambisonics but there was a lot of experimentation going on before the final system was develop

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Dave Malham
Yeah - do scan the cover, could be informative. NRDC were, indeed, very much involved in the introduction of UHJ/Ambisonics but there was a lot of experimentation going on before the final system was developed. Dave On 22/08/2011 16:16, Richard wrote: Thanks for the reply. this get

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Richard
Thanks for the reply. this gets more and more interesting, doesn't it. I thought the NRDC were responsible for the introduction of UHJ/Ambisonics, but then I could be wrong. Am very hazy about what happened when I'm afraid. I'd really like to get to the bottom of this, really because I'd like to

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-22 Thread Dave Malham
Hi Richard, Oddly enough, I don't actually remember this - odd, in that I was already interested in Ambisonics at this point (and was completely convince by MAG's Soundfield mic presentation at the AES in London the next year). It isn't mentioned in either FELLGETT, P.B. 'Ambisonic Reproduc

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Richard
I haven't done a rip of the album, but once done i'll decode it and add it to my Quadraphonic blog Richard The change to UHJ at that time is very small and was made just to get rid of the need for another phase shifter in the decoder (IIRC). Any of the Classic Decoders, the Integrex, Min

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Richard Lee
The change to UHJ at that time is very small and was made just to get rid of the need for another phase shifter in the decoder (IIRC). Any of the Classic Decoders, the Integrex, Minims, A&D etc will decode this properly. I for one would be most interested in a copy of the recording as it repre

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Richard
to:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > Behalf Of Richard > Sent: 12 August 2011 17:39 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP > > Many thanks for that Tony. > > You know what, I might nip o

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Rev Tony Newnham
August 2011 17:39 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP > > Many thanks for that Tony. > > You know what, I might nip over to Hebden bridge in the hope there's someone > there from th

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Richard
ssing Tony > -Original Message- > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > Behalf Of Richard > Sent: 12 August 2011 16:35 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early '

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Rev Tony Newnham
-Original Message- > From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On > Behalf Of Richard > Sent: 12 August 2011 16:35 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP > > I ca

Re: [Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-12 Thread Richard
I can't believe there's no one here that could give an opinion to my question. Can anyone say what difference on decoding this pre 1980's record using methods based on post 1980's equations would be? Hi all I have a couple of questions that I suspect may be hard to answer, and that is

[Sursound] Questions regarding a very early 'Ambisonic' LP

2011-08-08 Thread Richard
Hi all I have a couple of questions that I suspect may be hard to answer, and that is regarding the encoding of a LP I have. I bought this 'Ambisonic' LP in 1977, but it has a recording date of 25th March 1974. It is on the 'Calrec Audio Ltd' label and clearly states the involvement of the N.R