Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread David Worrall
On 13/05/2011, at 7:26 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:13:49AM +1000, David Worrall wrote: >> I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube >> And I fail to see a hemisphere. >> In any event, how does a cube become hemispheric? Or is this just a flowery

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:13:49AM +1000, David Worrall wrote: > I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube > And I fail to see a hemisphere. > In any event, how does a cube become hemispheric? Or is this just a flowery > use of language? That picture is a 'panoramic view',

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/12/2011 11:13 PM, David Worrall wrote: On 13/05/2011, at 3:35 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: ah well, bad choice of words. "below expectations" would have been better. the IEM cube (24 speaker hemisphere) I looked at the photo here: http://iem.at/services/studios/cube And I fail to see a

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/03/2011 03:04 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: I believe the reasoning is that when there are many speakers producing almost the same signal, you get more comb filtering effects when moving out of the sweet spot. This is discussed in Solvang, Audun. "Spectral Impairment of Two-Dimensional Highe

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread David Worrall
On 13/05/2011, at 3:35 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 05/03/2011 09:29 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: >> 2011/5/2 Jörn Nettingsmeier: >> >>> those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... >>> first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, >> >> At the 2008 demo I wrote about

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/03/2011 09:29 AM, Aaron Heller wrote: 2011/5/2 Jörn Nettingsmeier: those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, At the 2008 demo I wrote about, other that the anomaly at the exact center, I thought it sounded prett

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-03 Thread Aaron Heller
2011/5/2 Jörn Nettingsmeier : > those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... > first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, At the 2008 demo I wrote about, other that the anomaly at the exact center, I thought it sounded pretty good. So did most of the 60 or so people

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/03/2011 01:21 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: in my experience, first-order horizontal over eight speakers is slightly but noticeably worse in the sweet spot than six, so not recommended for homes if you seldom if ever listen to third order material. Ah... I thought this was a "well-establis

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Aaron Heller
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > >> >> for larger audiences, the game seems to be a bit different, although i >> don't quite understand why. i find 1st order over eight speakers covers >> a larger area more easily and uniformly than six, but the

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: for larger audiences, the game seems to be a bit different, although i don't quite understand why. i find 1st order over eight speakers covers a larger area more easily and uniformly than six, but the theory says it shouldn't, because outside the sweet spot, rV reconst

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: in my experience, first-order horizontal over eight speakers is slightly but noticeably worse in the sweet spot than six, so not recommended for homes if you seldom if ever listen to third order material. Ah... I thought this was a "well-established fact" in the sci

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: Mon, 02 May 2011 06:59:40 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote : not native, but here's a very simple one that has been shoehorned into a third-order workstation: http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/11_3/nettingsmeier_ambisonics.html I'd like to understand the "Versatil

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Josh Atkins
Re: speaker layouts You might be interested in some work I did on choosing the right positions for loudspeakers to minimize the spatial aliasing (actually spatial imaging is a better name in the case of rendering, keeping with the DSP terminology). With these designs you can use some sort of leas

Re: [Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 05/02/2011 11:50 AM, Marc Lavallée wrote: > Mon, 02 May 2011 06:59:40 +0200, > Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote : > >> not native, but here's a very simple one that has been shoehorned >> into a third-order workstation: >> http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/11_3/nettingsmeier_ambisonics.html > > I'd li

[Sursound] Domestic speaker layout (was Re: Minim AD7 for sale)

2011-05-02 Thread Marc Lavallée
Mon, 02 May 2011 06:59:40 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote : > not native, but here's a very simple one that has been shoehorned > into a third-order workstation: > http://cec.concordia.ca/econtact/11_3/nettingsmeier_ambisonics.html I'd like to understand the "Versatile (and Quite Luxurious) Spea