Re: [Sursound] SQ QUAD

2015-10-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:22, Geoffrey Barton wrote: > On Oct 29, 2015, at 04:41, Dave Malham wrote: > >> Going back to this old theme, something which slipped under my radar but >> reappeared when I was re-reading the Integrex decoder articles was >> Michael's throw-away statement on page 3 that

Re: [Sursound] Release of VVEncode

2015-10-06 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Sent from a crippled mobile device > On 6 Oct 2015, at 17:08, David McGriffy wrote: > > (and AU if there is demand) Consider this me declaring demand :) -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2270

Re: [Sursound] Audeze tetrahedral microphone

2015-09-09 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
it's shown real mainstream potential and has critical mass, there's plenty of time to geek out again. Sent from my mobile phone, typos courtesy of "autocorrect"... > On Sep 9, 2015, at 19:04, len moskowitz wrote: > > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > > >> Looks

Re: [Sursound] Audeze tetrahedral microphone

2015-09-09 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Looks great, although, the capsules look rather large on these images… …so I wonder how that’s going to influence the sound or what sort of calibration they offer. Anyone got any experience with one of these? > On Sep 9, 2015, at 16:49, Courville, Daniel wrote: > > https://www.audeze.com/produc

Re: [Sursound] ambisonics audio for 360 film (VR)

2015-08-18 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Something was corrupted in the metadata that confused some e-mail clients. I also only saw gibberish. Likely something was stripped away, or a line-break was added somewhere, etc. i.e. a situation was created, likely through some minor transformation made by the list server, which was ignored

Re: [Sursound] [OT] The more bits the better ?

2014-08-21 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
I wish they would start worrying about the other compression aka loudness wars, before worrying about high-res audio. A well-mastered CD has all the resolution needed for playback, provided the playback system is good, and the original recording and processing was done in high-res and there were

Re: [Sursound] Calculating speaker placement (Marc Lavall?e)

2014-07-11 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
There's a laser distance measuring device from Bosch with built in incline measuring aka electronic level. Not too expensive and useful for many other things as well. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005AZZNXE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005AZZNXE&linkCode=as2&t

Re: [Sursound] Auro 3D

2014-03-18 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Looks like the 5.1 insanity put on steroids... ...but I'd love to be surprised; not betting on it however, given how thin on theory and how thick on hype the site is. Sent from a crippled mobile device > On 18 Mar 2014, at 15:39, John Leonard wrote: > > Anyone experienced/used/bought this yet?

Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

2014-03-05 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
>>> it would work.) >>> >>> Eero >>> >>> 5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti: >>>> Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-D >>>> sound >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> &

Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

2014-03-05 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
k.) > > Eero > > 5.3.2014 13:42, Dave Malham kirjoitti: >> Ah, but if that's the case, mono is 2-D sound, stereo is 3-D sound.... >> :-) >> >> >> On 5 March 2014 11:08, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> >>> >>> On 5 Mar 2014, at

Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

2014-03-05 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 5 Mar 2014, at 11:58, Dave Malham wrote: > And now, 4-D sound > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/03/full-immersion-audio-artists-explore-4dsound-spatial-grid-omni-speakers-ableton-max-lemur/ > > X, Y, Z and... Time, it's 3-D sound in Space-Time ;) Ronald _

Re: [Sursound] ambiX v0.1 Ambisonic software, mcfx v0.1

2014-01-25 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Hi, sounds great! Any plans to also make an AU version of the plugins for OSX? Best regards, Ronald On 25 Jan 2014, at 20:11, Matthias Kronlachner wrote: > i finally got my ambisonic plug-ins to a stage where i'd like to share them > with the community. > these are working under windows,

Re: [Sursound] New native B-Format microphone!

2013-11-14 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Just like patenting aspects of the iPhone works with prior art of mobile phones and computers. For all we know they patented a user interface aspect of their processing software ;) Ronald On 14 Nov 2013, at 04:59, Jon Honeyball wrote: > And how does "The patented technology allows pickup pola

Re: [Sursound] Sense of direction (whole new idea)

2013-10-07 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Make a mic mount with an iPhone holder, and you can use compass and gyroscopes as well as GPS. That way you have location data and mic orientation data captured and can auto-transform the signal based on that. Just be sure to turn off the mobile phone radio, because GSM signaling causes nasty

Re: [Sursound] Sennheiser Esfera

2013-09-14 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 14 Sep 2013, at 05:11, Eric Carmichel wrote: > But some of the industrial spaces, places and noises could make for > interesting Ambisonic recordings. Might also be interesting spaces to do Ambisonic impulse response recordings... ___ Sursound ma

Re: [Sursound] A higher standard of standardness

2013-07-06 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
I can appreciate both sides of the argument. However, one thing that I would love to see: a) sterile, measurement-like recording of as close to possible to what happened recording b) post processing with whatever effects, tricks, etc. is required to have things sound pleasant and engaging. Wha

Re: [Sursound] Making a standalone 8ch player

2013-05-27 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 27 May 2013, at 21:23, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > 24/96 is already twice as much even as a non-shaped format, but perhaps has > to be chosen evenso if we want to be sure it's transparent; as the next > common format which includes both sufficient sampling rate and sufficiently > low self-noise

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 May 2013, at 14:32, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ah, another new business model for music delivered via the WWW... > :-) > > Just to warn you: These exclusive contracts (where Majors pick just one > distributor for a "special" format) might not work, in a legal sense. Sure. Just

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 May 2013, at 05:55, Richard G Elen wrote: > On 16/05/2013 10:36, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >>> This is another version of the "lobby the record companies to adopt xxx >>> technology" argument, which never worked in the past. >> Nope. Screw th

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 May 2013, at 05:24, Richard G Elen wrote: >> A strong eco-system like iTunes could use B-format with proper software >> changes, weaker eco systems could use UHJ, and simply have UHJ-capable >> players, but in the absence of such, would still end up serving perfectly >> usable stereo fi

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 May 2013, at 05:24, Richard G Elen wrote: >> Ambisonic B-format or even UHJ-format delivery has an opening here, provided >> the bickering stops and a concerted effort is made to lobby the players >> involved, because for a reasonably moderate bandwidth overhead, these >> outfits now ca

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 May 2013, at 03:45, Eero Aro wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> I would tend to differ. If BluRay & DVD-Audio were resounding >> successes, then one could say: heck, just deliver binaural, stereo, >> 5.1 etc. downmixes and not worry about distribution formats,

Re: [Sursound] The commercial future of Ambisonics

2013-05-15 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 15 May 2013, at 07:42, Eero Aro wrote: > Ivan Vican: >> does Ambisonic have a commercial future and why? > > I would say that it is a waste of time and energy to try to get > Ambisonics as a distribution medium. > > Ambisonics has and will have use in production and processing tools. > Micr

Re: [Sursound] what mics do you use?

2013-04-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 29 Apr 2013, at 02:33, Dave Malham wrote: > but the 30+ > mm size will seriously mess with the high frequency response f any derived > horizontal only B format. Could you please elaborate on the expected effects from the larger capsules? Trying to figure out if that would result in something

Re: [Sursound] what mics do you use?

2013-04-25 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Given the subject of mics: Has anyone experience with this here: http://www.nevatonmics.com/pdf/Nevaton_Flyer_centerfold_v2.pdf Looks like since the four capsules are individually wired, it could be used for 1st order HOA recording. Ronald -- next part -- A non-text att

Re: [Sursound] 3/7/2013 6:15:15 AM

2013-03-07 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Better solution is to moderate new subscribers, low chance of long term members suddenly turning into spammers. Sent from my mobile phone On 07 Mar 2013, at 11:49, Kees de Visser wrote: > On 7 Mar 2013, at 10:54, Carsten Bohn wrote: >> Dear List ! >> >>> http://www.easyhomethai.com/lxo/edjf/m

Re: [Sursound] A proposal for an Ambisonics based 3D audio codec, MPEG/ITU style...

2013-01-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 23 Jan 2013, at 02:53, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > P.S.: FLAC was the first widely used codec for lossless compression, so here > the commercial competition has a problem. How so? FLAC has a different design objective than some of the commercial lossless codecs. FLAC was intended mostly for

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-11-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 1 Nov 2012, at 23:07, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > The next and valid question is if stereo via headphones actually works so > well at all... (Many people have problems, such as in-head effects, lack of > perceived "real space", etc.) > > If you would fix these problems, then you could probab

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-11-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 1 Nov 2012, at 22:47, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> You're angry at reality. I'm not making these things up, nor do they >> constitute my ideal world. But I'm willing to face the reality and ask which >> small steps can

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-11-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 1 Nov 2012, at 22:30, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > >> >> Object Oriented programming was available 1978/1980. It wasn't used until >> NeXT started pushing ObjC and SUN tried to rip it off unsuccessfully with >> Java (which b

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-11-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 1 Nov 2012, at 06:24, Peter Lennox wrote: > Download the binaural for binaural use, and the stereo for stereo use? - in > fact, instead of trying to make one format fit all - people could just > download a folder and extract the ones they needed... That's an academic solution. That's like

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-11-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 31 Oct 2012, at 12:38, Martin Leese wrote: > Peter Lennox wrote: > >> Yes but...why not simply release stuff for mobiles in a generic binaural - >> skip the uhj altogether? > > Please, what is this "generic binaural"? Generic binaural is the equivalent of a dummy head microphone recording,

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-31 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Sent from my mobile phone On 31 Oct 2012, at 07:08, Peter Lennox wrote: > Yes but...why not simply release stuff for mobiles in a generic binaural - > skip the uhj altogether? Because you also want to listen to the same piece on your home and car stereo? Ronald -- next part ---

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 29 Oct 2012, at 20:56, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Oh yes, go to Apple and look if they listen to your ideas, and let others do > their stuff instead of doing some promotion for some "stylish", "fahionable" > campany offering "super slim" products. You make my point: they won't listen, at le

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 30 Oct 2012, at 06:24, Peter Lennox wrote: > Am I missing something? - for mobile use, wouldn't B-format to binaural be > better than UHJ? > Dr Peter Lennox Of course it would. Do you know of a mobile playback device with multi-channel audio support, multi-channel audio market place, and a

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 29 Oct 2012, at 20:42, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ronald, most if not all (classical) recordings where I am participating are > done in a way that they could be issued in 5.1 (or say 5.0) surround, namely > several Pentatone recordings, and even the more recent television/radio stuff. > >

Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic 'File' Formats

2012-10-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Whatever it is, if it's a 32-bit file format, it should be considered deprecated. CAF is at least explicitly designed to be a 64-bit format. It's also designed such that during recording a crash of the app can leave a recoverable file behind by the way the header structures are designed, much l

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:47, etienne deleflie wrote: >> At this point in time, not only is most music listened on mobile devices, >> most music is even purchased on mobile devices, and that's strictly a stereo >> (or maybe binaural) world. > > With a custom iPhone/Android app that employs headtr

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 28 Oct 2012, at 03:11, Richard Lee wrote: > This will be a lossy compressed format probably based on the public domain > Vorbis. Unless things have changed a lot, last I checked lossy compression messes up phase relationships, and that would be an issue for things like UHJ, which as long

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 28 Oct 2012, at 22:34, Stefan Schreiber wrote: >> When Ambi VLC happens, I predict the re-surrection of UHJ. Simple 2 >> channels will remain the most important distribution format in the forseable >> future. > > This is real surround sound? Why not Dolby Surround...:-D Despite a lot

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-27 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Please not! He who is happy with lossy compression is hardly a candidate to have a properly set up surround system, much less one suitable to Ambisonics. Lossless compression is OK, even desired, as an option, preferably something that's freely licensed and enjoys commercial support e.g. ALAC S

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:56, Richard Dobson wrote: > Interesting (in its way), looks like a combo of HOA Ambisonic scene > description (using multiple HOA streams possibly of different orders) and > bandwidth compression; A real scene description would describe the space, the sound sources, and t

Re: [Sursound] [OT] FB etc.

2012-10-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 11 Oct 2012, at 12:27, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Hitler had 44% of the vote in 1933 (last election of Weimar Republic). > > How the Weimar Republic was "de facto" abolished latest in 1934 (after the > death of Hindenburg, the President) is another story. (The Weimar Republic > was never abo

Re: [Sursound] Internet communication

2012-10-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 9 Oct 2012, at 11:40, Ben Bloomberg wrote: > What will be interesting to see is whether this whole "facebook" thing > will evolve like AOL, compuserve, etc... That's what I hope. But with ever more companies thinking they have to tie into Facebook, use Facebook login as credentials instead

Re: [Sursound] [OT] FB etc. (was: Re: Trans-Dimensional Portal)

2012-10-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Hm... On 8 Oct 2012, at 23:19, Robert Greene wrote: >> Very much off topic is what follows. >> >> Just as a point of information, I think Hitler's election >> did not depend on fraud. I think he actually did have >> a lot of popular support at one point . Why is a complex >> question, but I bel

[Sursound] [OT] FB etc. (was: Re: Trans-Dimensional Portal)

2012-10-08 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
The problem with Google, FB, and to a degree Apple is not the advertising or lack of utility of the gadgets. Nobody is forced to buy anything. The problem is, that on the one hand we have a push to "the cloud" which only exists because ISPs and "content providers" have essentially successfully

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-07 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 7 Oct 2012, at 16:53, John Leonard wrote: > I'm strictly non-Facebook and I'm afraid I'm not going to change my views, > even for Ambisonics. Ditto. I use FB, but in an extremely limited way, and I refuse to do apps, games, likes and any of that crap. Ronald __

Re: [Sursound] Super Stereo emulation (UHJ)

2012-07-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Sent from my mobile phone On 23 Jul 2012, at 22:32, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > On 2012-07-23, Richard wrote: > >> OK, so, i've been using software to decode UHJ, but can anyone tell me what >> i need to do to re-create the 'super-stereo' mode on the hardware decoders? > > Isn't that supposed to

Re: [Sursound] [ot] [rfc] about headphones

2012-07-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
>From what I understand headphones are supposed to not have a linear response, >because they are designed to compensate for proximity effects etc. Not sure how much of that compensation is to make regular for-speakers-stereo sound passable with headphones, and how much would also have to be don

Re: [Sursound] Domestic Concert Hall

2012-07-09 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 8 Jul 2012, at 13:10, Daniel Courville wrote: > AFAIK, there's no HOA IRs out there. As Fons said, you can > upsample/upmix/uporder 1st order B-Format IRs with Harpex-B, but, even > then, there's not many B-Format IRs around. Apple's Logic's SpaceDesigner reverb used to come with a bunch of B

Re: [Sursound] VLC Ambisonic player module

2012-06-28 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 28 Jun 2012, at 01:05, Dave Malham wrote: > mplayer -ao jack -channels 7 myvideo.avi > > is slightly less intelligible than the average inscription in a > Pharaoh's tomb :-) Anything that's more complex than hitting the play button in iTunes (or SongBird, or…) is two orders of magnitude to

Re: [Sursound] VLC Ambisonic player module

2012-06-28 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 27 Jun 2012, at 06:22, Dave Malham wrote: >I remember a few years ago there was talk of getting Ambisonic playback > going in VLC. Did that ever get anywhere? Or, indeed, Ambisonic playback for > any cross-platform player? Anytime the subject is brought up, it's drowned out by people sc

Re: [Sursound] The Sound of Vision (Mirage-sonics?)

2012-06-11 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 11 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > and the extremities of the range don't map onto each other. For one, if they didn't map onto each other, we didn't have the concept of octaves and that an C is somehow a C regardless of which octave it's from. So the circling of octaves is so

Re: [Sursound] Chasing flies with ambisoinics?

2012-05-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
The problem is, a sound sources as close to your ear as a mosquito is essentially a mono signal on one ear, you practically hear nothing on the other ear. That's pretty much impossible to do with anything than a headphone setup, or some phase cancelation while your head is clamped down such as

Re: [Sursound] Dolby Atmos

2012-04-24 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 24 Apr 2012, at 19:08, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > (Or: surround is < maybe > not dead if you cram 3 matrixed channels into 2 > channels of Apple- compressed AAC iTunes files - which is actually a worse > solution than we already had in the 80s. :-D ) I do appreciate polemic, as long as it st

Re: [Sursound] Waveplayer - 16 chnl SD-card audio device

2012-04-23 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
For predecoded audio properly dithered and almost-normalized 16-bit is perfectly adequate; I'd be more worried about the jitter from a bad clock than about the limited wordlength. Sent from my mobile phone On 23 Apr 2012, at 10:00, Dave Malham wrote: > AS you say, great for installations, Amb

Re: [Sursound] Waveplayer - 16 chnl SD-card audio device

2012-04-20 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
It's also really small, the question is how much power supply adds to the bulk, wonder if USB power would be sufficient to run a 16 channel setup... ...similar thing able to take digital audio (FW) and store the would be killer, but would likely require collaboration with specific hardware manuf

Re: [Sursound] Waveplayer - 16 chnl SD-card audio device

2012-04-20 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
One could play predecoded Ambisonics anywhere there's a power amp designed to take analog inputs from multichannel DVD/SACD players; which might be useful for demos where a decoder is impractical or impossible to hook into a preexisting setup. Sent from my mobile phone On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:29

Re: [Sursound] audio point / audio plenum

2012-04-19 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 19 Apr 2012, at 19:53, Martin Leese wrote: > umashankar mantravadi > ... >> apart from >> clean reproduction of reverberation, i note the speakers do not have to put >> out much power - compared to the same recording converted to stereo and >> played from a conventional pair of speakers. is

Re: [Sursound] audio point / audio plenum

2012-04-18 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
I wonder if it's not simply a matter of a stereo spread control as one would get with an stereo to MS to stereo conversion, where in the MS state, one can vary the width of the stereo signal. If we don't assume that someone tries to spread a mono signal, but has a stereo signal and is simply pl

Re: [Sursound] Why Ambisonics Didn't Become A Standard, OT: Spatial Music; Low Cost Speakers

2012-04-16 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 16 Apr 2012, at 04:12, David Pickett wrote: > At 19:44 15/04/2012, Len Moskowitz wrote: > > A lot of stuff, with which I agree, plus: > >> Ronald Antony talked about the cost of good speakers being a barrier: " ... >> and anything halfway acceptable is on a good sale at >> least $250/speake

Re: [Sursound] [OT] Spatial music

2012-04-15 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
This is getting rather off-topic, but... On 15 Apr 2012, at 23:02, Robert Greene wrote: > This is very unlikely to be true, that one can justify > getting a new TV to save electricity for the sake of the world. > To save on your own bills will also take a very long time. > > People seldom do t

Re: [Sursound] audio point / audio plenum

2012-04-15 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 15 Apr 2012, at 11:07, Gregorio Garcia Karman wrote: > I found a reference in a musical text of the 1960s originated in the UK that > mentions the terms "audio point" and "audio plenum" perhaps in reference to a > technique that would be able to control the spread of a single source in the

Re: [Sursound] Spatial music

2012-04-15 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 15 Apr 2012, at 15:57, David Pickett wrote: > At 19:14 14/04/2012, JEFF SILBERMAN wrote: > > > I'm thinking that the 99% own flatscreens by now. > > Is that really so? My tv wont die. I dont use it for anything than videos, > but I see no need to replace it simply because it takes up a l

Re: [Sursound] Spatial music

2012-04-14 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 15 Apr 2012, at 02:14, JEFF SILBERMAN wrote: > Are things really that bad? I need to get out more often! I'm thinking that > the 99% own flatscreens by now. If a homebuilder is going to place an > electrical outlet on the wall suitable for mounting a flatscreen, he might as > well put in

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-14 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 14 Apr 2012, at 16:47, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > >> >> UHJ is simple and convenient, because people can buy it as a regular stereo >> track like the rest of the music. No pop-up with a choice: stereo or >> surround version, no p

Re: [Sursound] Spatial music

2012-04-14 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 14 Apr 2012, at 04:46, JEFF SILBERMAN wrote: > The solution lies in getting the home/spec builder industry to integrate > in-wall loudspeakers at pre-specified locations (including ceiling) in the > 21st century "media room" which room will become the new normal much like the > kitchen has

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 18:38, newme...@aol.com wrote: > Beginning in the 1990s, the music industry tried to promote the *surround* > (i.e. 5.1 style) special effect -- driven by the installed base of home > theaters and DVD players, along with a preceived need to recapture the > revenues being

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Could you explain to me this phrase: > Amibsonics (i.e. FOA) is fabulous for AMBIENCE but, alas, not for MUSIC > (due to the lack of frontal emphasis) and c'mon . . . we all know it. For one, why would I want frontal emphasis? The whole point of Ambisonics is that it does NOT have any emphasi

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 15:31, newme...@aol.com wrote: > Folks: > > Q: WHY would the average *music* listener want surround sound? > > A: They won't and, since this has already been tried (including with some > of the best known artists of all times), no one in the MUSIC business will > *ever*

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 13:57, John Leonard wrote: > A long time ago, I asked how many people on this list actually had any sort > of surround systems, let alone properly set-up home-cinema 5.1 systems, in > their homes and I think about three people said they did. I wonder how many > there are no

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 10:07, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 04/13/2012 03:49 AM, Robert Greene wrote: >> >> While the mode of expression is even more emphatic >> than my own, RCFA is to my mind right all up >> and down the line. Talking about 3rd order is >> just castles in the air. As a theoreti

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-13 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 04:08, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Steven Dive wrote: > >> >> >> IMHO I can't see how FOA isn't clearly worth promoting along with up to >> 3rd order G-format decodes for 5.1/7.1 setups for home users. Basically, >> get UHJ and, while we are at it, superstereo into peopl

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 13 Apr 2012, at 00:53, Steven Dive wrote: > IMHO I can't see how FOA isn't clearly worth promoting [...] Basically, get > UHJ and, while we are at it, superstereo into people's homes, then get on > with full 1st and higher orders. Amen. Can't feed a baby with a steak. Ronald _

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 12 Apr 2012, at 23:05, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:47:04PM +0200, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> On 12 Apr 2012, at 22:27, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> >>> First order definitely isn't good enough. As long a you insist that >>> one c

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 12 Apr 2012, at 22:27, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > First order definitely isn't good enough. As long a you insist that > one can't go up in order, just forget about it all. Tell that Meridian, and all their customers who have enjoyed immensely not only listening to horizontal-only 1st order Amb

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? New Title and questions...

2012-04-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 12 Apr 2012, at 19:57, Martin Leese wrote: > seva > >> was it not true that the UK did not, or would not, help to support >> the ambisonic fledgling business due to some frustrating legal >> restriction? this was a major point in the killing of the launch. > > I assume by "the UK" you mean

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-12 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Sorry for the late answer, I was away for several days... On 9 Apr 2012, at 02:25, Stefan Schreiber wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: > >> >> There was once a slim chance of getting Apple to move on Ambisonics, as both >> some fundamental interest by some of App

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 4 Apr 2012, at 01:13, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Eric, could you tell us a little bit about the patent status of the CAF > implementation within libsndfile? And while we're at it, what would be tha > chance of getting some newer, purely open source format into the library, if > coded by an out

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 22:15, Richard Dobson wrote: > The Apple lossless codec was made open-source last year. Some people might as: why was it not published earlier? To that I'd answer: - legal issues: a company like Apple has huge potential legal liabilities. Before they release something like

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 21:26, Rev Tony Newnham wrote: > What about "Apple lossless compression", Quicktime - and so on? > >> Apple has no history of pushing proprietary file formats, except for DRM. Apple Lossless is fully published: http://alac.macosforge.org/ It's reason to exist is that Appl

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 18:03, Marc Lavallée wrote: > I would fear an "applelization" of ambisonics. Apple could impose its > own "ok" format (probably as a CAF "chunk" specification) with patents > and lock-ins, because it's a common practice in the audio industry. Not > everything in this world needs

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 16:52, newme...@aol.com wrote: > Ronald: > >> Whiz-bang demos won't make any difference, but >> adoption by Apple's iTunes Store, or something like >> that would make a difference. > > Very interesting! Does iTunes currently support multi-channel audio > (other than on pu

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 16:21, "Michael Chapman" wrote: > Oh, but the labour of transporting >100 manequins in fur coats > into the concert hall to get the acoustics right. > Much better to hope the concert attracts the correct socio- > economic class ( ... mink ... ) ... and the hall is cold enough >

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 Apr 2012, at 07:31, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 04/02/2012 06:33 PM, Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> >> On 2 Apr 2012, at 17:57, Eero Aro wrote: >> >>> Because Nimbus Records devoted themselves strictly to one point >>> miking, they didn't

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 Apr 2012, at 23:48, newme...@aol.com wrote: > No whiz-bang demos will make any difference! Ambisonics is what people > are doing on this list and that's just as it should be -- PLAYING with > *sound* with our friends! Whiz-bang demos won't make any difference, but adoption by Apple's iT

Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music

2012-04-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 Apr 2012, at 20:53, newme...@aol.com wrote: > But, in the context of this list and this thread, these "larger forces" > must also be taken into account -- which, ultimately, lead to the perfectly > understandable reasons why Ambisonics could never and should never become a > "mass-mark

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 Apr 2012, at 18:21, Robert Greene wrote: > One really gets the strong impression that the Ambisonics > community has never seriously tried for public attention, > and perhaps did not even want it. The ambisonic community was always obsessed with perfection (N-th order stuff with zillion c

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 Apr 2012, at 19:02, Eero Aro wrote: > Ronald C.F. Antony wrote: >> for real performances, single point micing, even though not a >> must, should be adequate or superior for all events that are recorded >> in a venue in which a live audience is supposed to hav

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 Apr 2012, at 17:57, Eero Aro wrote: > Because Nimbus Records devoted themselves strictly to one point > miking, they didn't record any operas, as the singers, choir and the > orchestra are scattered in a large area and you cannot get a good > balance with one point miking. Sorry, that's bo

Re: [Sursound] Ambisonic UHJ Discography Web Site is Down

2011-12-07 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 7 Dec 2011, at 16:07, Richard wrote: > True, and your attitude is what's wrong with this world nowadays. it's "let's > not help anyone out, it doesn't suit me" I think you're misreading each other here. The point is, to find information more easily, you want to be on topic. This list is abo

Re: [Sursound] problem with jconvolver on osx

2011-09-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 30 Sep 2011, at 10:04, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Probably for Apple it's not a bug but a feature, and it may > be one designed to discourage porting of non-Apple software > to OSX. Hardly. Apple didn't spend a lot of time and effort to have POSIX compliance and alienate a bunch of BSD die-hard

Re: [Sursound] problem with jconvolver on osx

2011-09-30 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 30 Sep 2011, at 09:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > The reason for this is the crippled implementation of POSIX > semaphores (sem_t) on OSX: > > 1. Only named semaphores (i.e. having a file system name) > are available. > > 2. The sem_init() function does not work. > > 3. The sem_getvalue() f

Re: [Sursound] Fwd: Bass Problem in crosstalk cancellation

2011-06-11 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 10 Jun 2011, at 10:43, Paul Hodges wrote: > --On 10 June 2011 10:26 +0200 Bo-Erik Sandholm > wrote: > >> Case B : Use a steady state 50 Hz signal and slowly pan it to new >> locations. > > Of course, as this involves the level from each speaker changing, the speaker > feeds will still have

Re: [Sursound] Sound Externalization Headphone

2011-05-25 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 25 May 2011, at 10:06, Dave Malham wrote: > On 24/05/2011 20:00, f...@libero.it wrote: >> >> >> I should mention that interpolation of HRTF is not the only possible >> technique; you can use for example a virtual loudspeaker array... >> > This is certainly the way that the Lake DSP system wo

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale - Speaker configs.

2011-05-04 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
I would think that a lot of these tests assume that we hear only with the ears. But when it comes to LF, the entire body is sensitive to it. That changes the entire issue about head-size vs. wave-length, etc. At certain volumes LF is like touch, not like sound. Ronald ___

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-03 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 3 May 2011, at 13:08, Richard Dobson wrote: > My proposed application is not music listening as such, but sonification of > particle collisions in the LHC. In the data, Z is the beam axis, and the most > interesting stuff has high transverse momentum, i.e. left right up down > across the be

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 2 May 2011, at 11:20, Richard Dobson wrote: > Well, if I put together a proposal for an eight-speaker cube, which is > ostensibly limited to first-order peri, would that be received with nodding > of heads or derision? Personally, a six-speaker horizontal-only rig is much more realistic in t

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-05-02 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
Let me be blunt: there's a lot to be said about HOA in theoretical terms, it's wonderful, exciting, yet totally irrelevant: When it comes to "localizing" sounds, when I sit in the sofa at home, I'm not trying to shoot the second violin by sound, I just want a natural sounding, enjoyable soundsc

Re: [Sursound] Minim AD7 for sale

2011-04-29 Thread Ronald C.F. Antony
On 29 Apr 2011, at 19:15, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > but you are right, we are still heavily in the DIY + "slightly kludgy" > realm. then again, most ambisonics fans will be, too. have to :) That's large part of the problem of lack of adoption. And a lot of that is to blame on the Ambisonics fa

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