On 05/02/2011 12:09 AM, Richard Dobson wrote:
> On 01/05/2011 20:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
>> ..
>>
>> the point is: if you want to produce in tenth order and have the means
>> to do it, your customer can still enjoy it on his/her 2nd order rig.
>
> Fine. I agree. But what exactly is a '2nd o
On 05/02/2011 12:27 AM, Richard Dobson wrote:
> On 01/05/2011 22:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> ..
>> But as the sound engineer who's expected to provide a solution I'm
>> not in a position to argue about this. And from the same perspective
>> there is another point to consider. What if you have not
Martin Leese wrote:
Stefan Schreiber wrote:
...
I have argued to introduce some "common file format" for 3D audio, for
example Ambisonics up to third order.
This standard could be based on the already existing FMH-Format.
Now, I am supposedly one of the "snobs"... But FMH is including B
fo
Re John L's remarks
I am not sure this is relevant to the interests of most
people on this list as such, but I do think it is absolutely
true that few people have a functioning proper surround set up.
As a High End audio reviewer, I know lots of consumers who
are interested in sound. Effectively
Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
On 05/01/2011 04:32 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
P.S.: Speaking of B format recordings, there are the well-known issues
of sound quality. SNR? High frequencies?
b-format != soundfield microphone
the soundfield does have a more pronounced hf roll-off and gern
John Leonard wrote:
Some years ago I asked a question about how many list-members actually had
correctly set up surround systems of any sort at home; not in the studio, or
research facility, but in their own homes as a way of enjoying music. I seem to
remember that very few - three, if I reca
Sun, 01 May 2011 21:11:48 +0100,
Gerard Lardner wrote :
> Actually I don't have an iPhone myself - but it seems to be the
> smartphone of choice for this kind of control app. ;-)
>
> Also, I'm not fixated on Ubuntu, but merely I have used GlobalScale
> plug computers in a couple of places where
Sun, 01 May 2011 20:17:32 +0100,
Richard Dobson wrote :
> On 01/05/2011 17:25, Marc Lavallée wrote:
> >
> > I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to
> > recreate the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room
> > simulation techniques and ambisonics spatialization?
> >
>
>
On 01/05/2011 22:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
..
But as the sound engineer who's expected to provide a solution I'm
not in a position to argue about this. And from the same perspective
there is another point to consider. What if you have not just a
single piece requiring some ad-hoc speaker placeme
On 01/05/2011 20:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
..
the point is: if you want to produce in tenth order and have the means
to do it, your customer can still enjoy it on his/her 2nd order rig.
Fine. I agree. But what exactly is a '2nd order rig'? Some number of
speakers, or the combination of s
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 05:25:40PM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Short of making the test, we will never know if the Ambisonic approach
> would have been "better". The concert would be perfectly well described
> in the above terms of being "completely worked out in terms of using an
On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 09:39:55PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> paul's first order recordings are lovely, but kind of easy on the
> format, since they have a frontal soundstage for the most part, which
> you "tune in" to, and simply disbelieve any spuriousness from the rear.
> but take the
I believe I got most of the information I have from your site; indeed I
was delighted to find the instructions there as my AD10, bought on eBay,
came without instructions.
Gerard Lardner
On 01/05/2011 19:18, Martin Leese wrote:
> Gerard Lardner
> ...
>> I read in a review that the AD10 was inte
Actually I don't have an iPhone myself - but it seems to be the
smartphone of choice for this kind of control app. ;-)
Also, I'm not fixated on Ubuntu, but merely I have used GlobalScale plug
computers in a couple of places where I wanted the equivalent of a
single board computer but with power su
On 05/01/2011 04:32 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
> P.S.: Speaking of B format recordings, there are the well-known issues
> of sound quality. SNR? High frequencies?
b-format != soundfield microphone
the soundfield does have a more pronounced hf roll-off and gerneral
oddity coefficient than, say,
On 05/01/2011 01:33 PM, Paul Hodges wrote:
> --On 01 May 2011 12:15 +0100 Richard Dobson
> wrote:
>
>> Have any listening tests actually been carried out to establish what
>> "typical" users consider to be sufficiently good localization?
>
> An interesting comparison would be to start with horiz
On 05/01/2011 01:15 PM, Richard Dobson wrote:
> The issue for me is no so much the encoding (though asking content
> providers, a.k.a. composers, to supply even a 9-channel file is IMO
> pushing it), but the decoding, where the number of speakers required
> seems to have its own version of Moor
On 01/05/2011 17:25, Marc Lavallée wrote:
I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to recreate
the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room simulation techniques
and ambisonics spatialization?
That is what they/we did for the "Virtual Electronic Poem" Project:
http://w
Stefan Schreiber wrote:
...
> I have argued to introduce some "common file format" for 3D audio, for
> example Ambisonics up to third order.
> This standard could be based on the already existing FMH-Format.
>
> Now, I am supposedly one of the "snobs"... But FMH is including B
> format, or say FMH
Gerard Lardner
...
> I read in a review that the AD10 was intended to be sold at a realistic
> price of about $600 and the AD7 sold at a bargain $200. That review also
> mentioned that the AD10 used closer-tolerance components that would
> additionally be hand-selected for closer matching. Since t
I have a naive question for experts: would it be possible to recreate
the acoustics of the Philips Pavillon using room simulation techniques
and ambisonics spatialization?
Sun, 01 May 2011 17:25:40 +0100,
Richard Dobson a écrit :
> Funnily enough, we had a performance at Bath Uni a few weeks ag
On 01/05/2011 15:28, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
..
I've tried many times to convert composers requiring spatialisation
from using discrete channels to Ambisonics. It started to work when
I offered 3rd order. The last example is a project I started working
on just a few weeks ago. The composition was
On 01/05/2011 15:28, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
..
I'd like to take with some grains of salt. I wonder, how would Harpex
deal with a choir covering almost a semicircle and signing unisono
(e.g. Gregorian). Converting this to the sum of two plane waves just
doesn't make sense.
This is actually someth
Svein
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On Sun, May 01, 2011 at 01:50:22PM +0200, Svein Berge wrote:
> 2011/5/1 Paul Hodges
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> > An interesting comparison would be to start with horizontal first-order,
> > and then to assess whether the common man finds a switch to full 3D
> > first-order or to horizontal third-order the greater impro
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I should clarify that Umashankar is referring to a recording entitled "Here's
smut in your eye" which is all to do with leaning out of the carriage window
during a steam train ride. Please don't get the idea that I have a bunch of
surround recordings of a slightly dubious nature that I only make
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the best bit so far has been listening to your smut recording.
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On 01/05/2011 12:50, Svein Berge wrote:
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Another anecdotal answer, which doesn't even quite address the question: The
difference between 1st order horizontal and 3rd order horizontal is easy to
hear for the common man.
Using 5.1, or some other arrangement?
The colloquial assumption or impl
I have had an Ambisonic setup for almost thirty years, which I have
upgraded several times. My decoder is a much modified Integrex, built
with Mil-Spec tight tolerance Caps and resistors and upgraded with
modern, high slew-rate op-amps. It drives dual Hafler 220 power amps. I
also recently adde
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Some years ago I asked a question about how many list-members actually had
correctly set up surround systems of any sort at home; not in the studio, or
research facility, but in their own homes as a way of enjoying music. I seem to
remember that very few - three, if I recall correctly - said tha
hoose 1st
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--On 01 May 2011 12:15 +0100 Richard Dobson
wrote:
Have any listening tests actually been carried out to establish what
"typical" users consider to be sufficiently good localization?
An interesting comparison would be to start with horizontal first-order,
and then to assess whether the comm
On 01/05/2011 03:55, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
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It is fair to say that 1st order AMB is good (or "good enough"?) for
some things, but it is not "perfect surround sound forever". Some people
on this list are actually using 2nd/3rd and higher order Ambisonics, and
I think that any good standard sho
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